How does a company come out of nowhere and price its 1911s at almost $5K? No way I would spend that on a new company's pistol. I'd have to hear a lot of favorable comments from owners before I would make that leap of faith.
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How does a company come out of nowhere and price its 1911s at almost $5K? No way I would spend that on a new company's pistol. I'd have to hear a lot of favorable comments from owners before I would make that leap of faith.
I saw them at the NRA Meeting in Pittsburgh, and they are beautiful. However, I'm putting my $5K into a Cylinder & Slide (Bill Laughridge) Commemorative. You get something really, really different for the money.Originally Posted by kkramer673
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Clone technology? So let me get this straight, If I'm able to afford a $4000 Cabot 1911, I can take it apart and buy another $4000 Cabot 1911 and the parts will drop right in.
Dude! if I buy a $4000 1911 it ain't coming apart!
I gave some thought yesterday as to what would make a 1911 worth $4000.
If you look at the Heirloom precision site you can see it. These guys get Colts to look like one solid block of steel. Slides match up to frames perfectly. Almost with no line between them. This isn't easy as most people know factory Colts are nice, but not that nice. So there is considerable sweat and work involved with this.
A Production company like Wilson Combat or Cabot produce their own slide, Frames, etc. So all the specs are controlled from the start and getting this type of precision should be much easier and less expensive.
Why does the uber expensive GI rendition have a flat trigger and fat front strap and dustcover? Besides that, it looks good at 700$.
When I first got into this "shooting hobby" over forty years ago, Colt (and guns produced during and after the first World War) were the only 1911s available. My 1967 edition of The Shooter's Bible lists a brand new Colt Gold Cup National Match pistol at $140.00! Every thing is relative!
As I previously stated, a Cabot Guns 1911 will soon be delivered to the M1911.ORG E-zine staff for evaluation. Until that gun review is completed and published, speculation (based on text and photographs at Cabot's web site) is just that. Speculation!
I appreciate the representative from Cabot Guns by Penn United Technologies responding to the members' questions. "We" can be a mighty tough crowd to please.
Everyone try to remember that the reviews in the E-zine tend to be the most objective reviews possible. If a reviewed pistol has "warts", you read about them. If the evaluated gun doesn't live up to the hype, it's spelled out for everyone to see. By the same token, though, if a particular pistol exceeds expectations, you see the reasons why.
I'm not suggesting that anyone should quit responding to this thread. Lively discourse is what makes this forum unique. Just please remember to refrain from "bashing" a product until that product has had an opportunity to be fairly evaluated.
Thank you!
We appreciate all comments and look forward to a robust but respectful dialogue. A couple of quick points in response to some of your comments. It is much cheaper to hand fit a 1911 than develop clone technology. This is why no one has ever done it before, ever. I would not expect anyone to buy a gun because the parts are interchangeable but it does speak as to the precision, consistency and quality of the components. As to cost, Cabot Guns are very expensive to make. We can't apologize for that and realize they are not for everyone. Can we not celebrate that exceptional manufacturing and innovation can still be done here in the USA?
I agree 100%. I am proud such a product is made in this country. I wish Cabot all the best!Originally Posted by CabotGuns
My bottom line is that I may not be able to afford a Rolex or a Morgan sports car, but that does not mean I can not appreaciate and admire the craftsmanship.
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I think this is a valid point.Originally Posted by CabotGuns
Let me add something here: On our forum, we encourage "discussion" but we do not tolerate "bashing." This thread represents something that is IMHO totally unprecedented, certainly on this site and perhaps on ALL firearms boards: We have people BASHING a new manufacturer not only before they have personally held one of the guns, but before there have been any reviews of the guns, anywhere.
I would like it to stop. Now. If you don't care to spend $4,000 for a 1911 (and I'm sure many of us can't afford to do so), that's fine. There is no need or reason to pile on and bash a brand new brand because of their price point. There are a lot of high-end shotguns that cost thousands of dollars and that fire the same 12-ga shells a $300 production pump gun fires. Is that any reason to bash the premium guns?
Why is this any different?
In short, gentlemen -- let's cool it with the bashing.
Hawkmoon
On a good day, can hit the broad side of a barn ... from the inside
Last edited by Hawkmoon; 12th August 2011 at 12:26.
What bashing, Sir? I see a new maker come on the board with a price point that is one of the highest in the industry. Of course the members here have questions about what makes these pistols so much better than others. The questions that have been asked and the observations re: the price, are reasonable. The maker has responded and further questions have been asked. In the end Cabot will either make it or not and if they choose to purchase advertizing and space on this forum, questions will be asked. So far I see no bashing here.
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