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Thread: Lee Alox OK to use?

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    Lee Alox OK to use?

    Does Lee Alox cause any issues when it is used with Ranier TMJ 230gr. or other payloads?

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    Ran
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    Other than overly complicating things and stickying up the bullets, probably not. Your clean shooting loading will now be smokier with the Alox applied. Whether accuracy would be hindered would remain to be seen. I doubt it will help.

    Why would you want to lubricate a bullet that is already jacketed?

    I doubt there would be any benefit, and it unnecessarily complicates the loading step, as well as stickying up the seating die when you don't need to do so.

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    Thanks...

    ...kuz Lee Alox is petroleum based 'paint' of sorts that dries to a reasonably hard finish... it's not at all like its beeswax-based cousin.

    I've been using it on .44 RM for a few years. Reduces - heck, eliminates - copper fouling. Not particularly smokey that I've noticed.

    Reason I ask is that .45 ACP does a bit of pin-ball in the 1911 action before it seats. Just wondering if it will gum-up the ramp or the chamber or mess with head-space.

    Probably best if I try it - with due care - for a few hundred rounds and offer a report. [Should wash off with hexanes or something similar.]

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    Actually, LLA dries no harder than beeswax does, and is more like a soft varnish than a hard coating. Variants are used as a metal preservative and are a trademark of the Alox Corporation. It is very heat resistant and is superior to beeswax in that respect.

    The problem, at least in rifles, is point of impact. I've found rifles don't shoot the same or have the same POI through an alox fouled barrel as they do with jacket fouling alone. At least for the first few shots, which makes transitioning a problem. Less "grip" of the jacket on the barrel due to the lubricant is probably the cause. At pistol velocities in .45 ACP, jacket fouling is hardly a bother for me...at least nowhere near the level of rifles.

    Does it build up on the feedramp? Yup.

    Builds up everywhere else, too, including seating dies, fingers loading magazines, etc. With jacket fouling being no real problem whatsoever in my pistols in 45 ACP, I'd say its use is purely superfluous for me. Buildup is not usually a problem with functioning until you get into very high round counts, but with jacket fouling a nonissue in .45 ACP, why bother?

    As some sorta second rate substitute for moly or some such (which I think is questionable for pistols as well) I doubt it will catch on, but whatever floats your boat.

    You might want to check to see how much alox remains on the smooth jacket of the bullet after seating - those portions of the bullet contained by the case. A lot of it gets rubbed off, considering how much of the bearing surface is within the case and the tight low clearance friction fit of the bullet within.

    Pull a few bullets and see.

    On edit: Incidentally, the thinner for LLA is mineral spirits (paint thinner) and is what the factory uses. Works great for hardened, old bottles of the stuff.
    Last edited by 1944Colt; 23rd September 2008 at 21:02.


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