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Thread: Shot Warrior today - no Swartz safety

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    Shot Warrior today - no Swartz safety

    I had heard it both ways, but with my own eyes, the Warrior I shot had no Swartz safety. It also had the best 1911 trigger possible with a much quicker reset than any Kimber I ever shot. I couldn't believe it, what a fine weapon, I'm now in the market for one.
    Walt

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    the Warrior I shot had no Swartz safety
    The Warrior and the Classic (limited edition) are the only Kimbers that don't have the Shwartz safety.

    It also had the best 1911 trigger possible with a much quicker reset than any Kimber I ever shot.
    They used to all be that way That was before the powers that be decided to ruin them though.
    "The 1911 was the design, given by God to us through John M. Browning, that represents the epitome of what a killing tool needs to be. It was true in 1911 and it's true now." - Col. Robert Coates commanding, U.S. Marine Corp Special Operations Command Detachment 1 (DET 1)

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    one of the only ones left with a steel MSH as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrettwc
    The Warrior and the Classic (limited edition) are the only Kimbers that don't have the Shwartz safety.
    Garret, i'm fairly certain that the other so-called "series I" Kimbers didn't have the Swartz either; Elite Carry (1200 produced), Royal Carry (600), Gold Guardian (300 produced), Stainless Covert (1000 produced), Pro Ellite (2500 produced), and the Ultra Elite (2750 produced). As far as i can tell, the series-II designation and subsequent Swartz mechanizm were originally placed in 2001-year models.

    Walt, I think the Warrior is one of the best pistols Kimber has made. I vote for you getting one . It's been my understanding that it doesn't have the Swartz either.
    Eli
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    Sorry for the confusion, Eli is correct. What I meant to say is

    The Warrior and Classic Limited Edition are the only "current" Kimbers. The older versions (before the beginning of the ruining with external extractors and shwartzs, etc) were all no FPS versions.
    "The 1911 was the design, given by God to us through John M. Browning, that represents the epitome of what a killing tool needs to be. It was true in 1911 and it's true now." - Col. Robert Coates commanding, U.S. Marine Corp Special Operations Command Detachment 1 (DET 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrettwc
    Sorry for the confusion, Eli is correct. What I meant to say is

    The Warrior and Classic Limited Edition are the only "current" Kimbers. The older versions (before the beginning of the ruining with external extractors and shwartzs, etc) were all no FPS versions.
    Garret, I'm a fan of the early models myself, having fired them (two) at my range recently (and just prefering the mechanics in general). I saw an Elite Carry for sale recently...it was all i could do not to buy it . I still may.... I'd really like a Clack!
    In the absence of a "series I", i think the Warrior is my first choice.

    Hey Walt, did you buy a Warrior ?
    Eli

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    I think the Series II's started in 2001. I have a pre series II Classic Stainless that was made in 2000.
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    I'm amazed at the difference in the triggers, especially the fast reset, you can feel it in the trigger with just a hair of release, and bang again. I'm thinking that the sear must be shaped differently to give that fast reset.
    I'm wondering if a series ll would have that trigger if you removed the Swartz plunger and the cam on that sear pin? I would even be willing to remove the rear sight and take out the spring and end piece under there. That's just too much difference between my other Kimbers and that Warrior. I have had expert trigger jobs too.

    No I haven't bought one yet, or even been to the gun store to look. I've been busy shooting every day, lots of 9mm these days. I will decide what to do in my sleep, and I don't ever rush the sleep decisions. Position of the moon plays an important part in my sleep decisions, but that's when I do my best thinking. The memories of how well that Warrior shot are haunting me and it's Halloween. I've shot a lot of 1911's including Nighthawks, Wilson, Les Baer, but the Warrior was the best. It also put the rounds where I aimed them. I'm not going to freak out because Morris promised me that his gun was brand new and had not been modified. In fact, I shot it before he did. This guy is freshly retired from the Sheriff's Dept. here where he was the shooter (Snipper) for the SWAT team. When he put it through the paces on steel silhouettes it was scary, COM double taps and neck shots, never missing or spreading the group larger than a tennis ball at 15 yards. I just said, "nice gun" Morris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garrettwc
    The Warrior and the Classic (limited edition) are the only Kimbers that don't have the Shwartz safety.


    They used to all be that way That was before the powers that be decided to ruin them though.
    The Limited Edition Target Match also doesn't have the Swartz Safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcatt
    I think the Series II's started in 2001. I have a pre series II Classic Stainless that was made in 2000.
    Tomcatt
    I searched the entire "Kimber Archive's" and found no pistol made earlier than 2001 (2000>backwards) that was a series-II. From my research, i agree that the series-II designation (and subsequent Swartz safety installation on all pistols) was introduced during the early part of 2001...i.e., from 2001 on, all Kimbers were series-II's.
    Here's a link to the archive that has every pistol Kimber ever made:
    http://www.kimberamerica.com/specialrun.php
    Eli

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