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Thread: Jeff Cooper's four rules of safe gun handling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank
    EricD,

    That's why the first rule is, "All guns are always loaded."

    It's not a matter of pretending it's loaded or treating it as if it's loaded. It's a matter of actually knowing that this gun right here is, in fact, loaded, and acting accordingly.

    It may seem like too subtle a distinction. But IMHO there's an important difference in attitude between pretending that a gun is loaded and knowing that the gun you are handling is, really and truly, loaded.

    DVC
    I strongly agree to that sir...

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    Ad???

    Quote Originally Posted by FortySecondWarrior
    Let me say 2 things here

    An accidental discharge is you causing an accident (by improper handling of, or improper maintainance of, your weapon), not the weapon just having an accident by itself (as evidenced by the story above, any accidental discharge is by doing something wrong, even though highly experienced people MAKE mistakes. (note I didn't say: HAVE mistakes. It has to be caused by someone doing something wrong. )

    Just my 2 cents there.
    AD is the polite and incorrect way of saying ND. I know and have recently had one. Thank god nobody was hurt due to my NEGLIGENCE. Safety is the most important part of our sport. It doesn't mater if you can hit the 10X if you don't do it safely. Just my humble opinion.
    Bob L.

    "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"

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    Yup, safety is non-negotiable. The good news is that the rules and procedures are pretty basic and straight forward. What seems to be the tough part sometimes is that we need to do all the right things the right way, every single time.

    DVC
    adapt, improvise, overcome
    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.", Carl Sagan
    "One should shoot as quickly as one can -- but no quicker.", Jeff Cooper

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    No human made object is by itself dangerous. Only the user of it is. If someone wants to cause serious or even fatal injuries to someone, he does not necessarily need a handgun. He could use even an ordinary pen! Yes, a pen!
    I wish most of the people I know could understand this. Ok, I know what is the primary reason of guns but again, by themselves, there is nothing they can do. And, even an unloaded gun can cause harm if someone wants. Imagine a Desert Eagle straight to your head! (joking)
    Guns do NOT kill! People Do!
    The first real handgun I saw, touched and fired: Star .45ACP Model P based on Colt M1911
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    Nagin Makes a Bad Point

    Firearms safety rule #1: Always assume the gun is loaded.

    Nagin Makes a Bad Point

    (sorry... pic too big to post directly, but, trust me, you safety instructors don't want to miss this gem!)

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    And the rule properly state is: "All guns are always loaded." It's a small point, but that's the way Jeff Cooper taught it, and that's the way they still teach it at Gunsite.

    It's a matter of perspective and mindset. If you say, "Assume the gun is loaded", or "Treat the gun as if it's loaded", you are admitting the possibility that it may not be. And thus some lassitude may creep into your gun handling.

    But in contrast, the desirable mindset is that the gun is, in fact, actually loaded. If you look at a gun and say to yourself, "That gun is loaded", you are not acknowledging any possibility that it is not.

    So if you are going to handle a gun, remember that it is loaded and act accordingly.

    DVC
    adapt, improvise, overcome
    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.", Carl Sagan
    "One should shoot as quickly as one can -- but no quicker.", Jeff Cooper

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    Thanks, Frank. I updated my article accordingly. Regards, covertress

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