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Thread: What happened to early pre 1911A1s?

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    What happened to early pre 1911A1s?

    Were they kept in service as is or rebuilt to 1911A1s or surplussed out. I'm in the middle of selling a 1911 built in 1913 on gunbroker and now I'm having questions as to the history of this gun. Could it have served through Vietnam?

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    Yes.
    Pistols were kept in service as long as they could be refurbished.
    No effort was made to keep original parts together, source of the "mixmaster" with parts early, late, any manufacturer or new replacements by contractors you may never have heard of. A Numax Electronics slide, for example.

    But neither were they intentionally rebuilt to A1 specification.

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    If you provide the serial number someone could likely tell you where it originally shipped.

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    1913 was 108 years ago. An M1911 made in 1913 could have been used in Vietnam -- but I very much doubt there's any way you could document that at this point in time. It's been almost fifty years since the U.S. left Vietnam.
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    Regrettably, with some very rare exceptions, once Springfield accepted the shipment from COLT, there is no way to know which unit or formation a pistol was issued to after it was shipped from the factory.
    I often tell collectors to put originality at the top of their priority list, originality isn't something that can be restored. I've never seen a 1911 I didn't like.
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    Right, the only way to know where most military weapons were issued is by knowing who stole it and brought it home upon discharge.
    Yes, stole it, theft of government property, source of the guns you read about daily with US Property and even serial numbers filed off.
    There were guns given or sold to departing officers, but not many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Watson View Post
    Right, the only way to know where most military weapons were issued is by knowing who stole it and brought it home upon discharge.
    Yes, stole it, theft of government property, source of the guns you read about daily with US Property and even serial numbers filed off.
    There were guns given or sold to departing officers, but not many.
    There were also 1911s transferred to the Department of Civilian Marksmanship (DCM), which was the predecessor to the CMP, and sold through the NRA.
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    Yes and they are still doing it, but that does not tell you where they were issued in the first place.
    The really wild ones are those stamped NRA to go straight to the members. Maybe 100 guns so don't start shopping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkmoon View Post
    There were also 1911s transferred to the Department of Civilian Marksmanship (DCM), which was the predecessor to the CMP, and sold through the NRA.
    My dad acquired one of these guns through the NRA. The serial number showed it was made by Colt in 1918. When it was refurbished, the blue finish was replaced by parkerizing and the slide said it was a 1911A1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skikir View Post
    Were they kept in service as is or rebuilt to 1911A1s or surplussed out. I'm in the middle of selling a 1911 built in 1913 on gunbroker and now I'm having questions as to the history of this gun. Could it have served through Vietnam?
    I acquired one of the .45s in the recent sale by CMP. I put in a FOIA request with the Department of the Army to get the history of the gun. The report I received said that the records that were available only went back to the early 1990s.

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