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Thread: Slide stop and Magaine release are both stuck at the same time.

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    Slide stop and Magaine release are both stuck at the same time.

    I'm in search of a suggestion for how to remove a stuck magazine from my pistol.

    My range day started with 100 rounds of hardball, to complete the factory recommended 500 rounds of hardball for new pistol break-in of my Les Baer Premier II. Next I inserted a brand new Wilson ETM magazine into my Les Baer pistol. The first four rounds (Federal 230 gr "Hydra Shok" rounds) cycled through perfectly. Next up was a dummy round which chambered OK. It didn't eject properly, though. I had to use a small screwdriver for a bit of leverage to get the nose end out. (I plan on measuring that ejection port

    When the magazine was finally empty it wouldn't eject from the pistol. The magazine release would not budge at all. The slide release wouldn't budge, either. At least I could see the chamber was empty, so the ride home was safe.

    The mag has a removable floor plate. Pressing on the floor plate as well as on the follower I found that both were free to move and the spring pressure felt OK.

    What should I do next to get the mag out so I can field strip and then clean the gun?
    i sold all my handguns. . . . . . . . . . except for the 1911 style pistols in .45 ACP.

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    Wilson's ETM magazines are made a tad longer, and sit a bit higher in the gun, than mil-spec (i.e. "as John Moses Browning intended") magazines. When I tried one in a Colt Commander, it locked the slide up so tightly that we had to clamp the slide in a padded vise at the range's shop and use a leather mallet to drive the frame off. On the basis of my admittedly anecdotal incident, I feel certain that the ETM magazine is the cause of your problem.

    There's basically no way the magazine catch can be blocked -- however, if the magazine is pressing down on it, I can see that causing enough friction to make it difficult to move. I would try tapping on the mag catch button with a plastic-tipped hammer. If you can remove the magazine base and spring first, that would relieve spring pressure -- but isn't really necessary. An empty magazine doesn't apply a whole lot of pressure.

    Another thought -- is it possible that the mag follower has overridden the slide stop lug, resulting in the lug being jammed alongside of the magazine follower rather than riding on top of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuyModesto View Post
    I'm in search of a suggestion for how to remove a stuck magazine from my pistol.

    My range day started with 100 rounds of hardball, to complete the factory recommended 500 rounds of hardball for new pistol break-in of my Les Baer Premier II. Next I inserted a brand new Wilson ETM magazine into my Les Baer pistol. The first four rounds (Federal 230 gr "Hydra Shok" rounds) cycled through perfectly. Next up was a dummy round which chambered OK. It didn't eject properly, though. I had to use a small screwdriver for a bit of leverage to get the nose end out. (I plan on measuring that ejection port

    When the magazine was finally empty it wouldn't eject from the pistol. The magazine release would not budge at all. The slide release wouldn't budge, either. At least I could see the chamber was empty, so the ride home was safe.

    The mag has a removable floor plate. Pressing on the floor plate as well as on the follower I found that both were free to move and the spring pressure felt OK.

    What should I do next to get the mag out so I can field strip and then clean the gun?

    I am assuming the slide is locked back then?

    If the magazine follower is free, then the slide is holding the slide stop frozen. Can you move the slide back any further, or is the slide frozen also?

    When checking the magazine floor plate for freedom, is the magazine tube itself also free within the mag well?

    It sounds like the magazine tube is jammed between the mag catch and the ejector. And possibly the ejector is jammed against the slide.

    I agree with tapping lightly on the mag catch button to release it.

    Upward pressure on the magazine floor plate would help, but that will only help if the floor plate is actually forcing the magazine tube upward, and not stopping first on the frame.

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    Thanks to Hawkmoon and megafiddle for your help. Once I got the base pad and floor plate off the magazine and the spring removed it ejected freely.
    i sold all my handguns. . . . . . . . . . except for the 1911 style pistols in .45 ACP.

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    Somebody outside of this group had a suggestion that worked to solve the problem. He suggested that the front surface of the "low profile base" could be hitting against the bottom of the magazine well. I tested by removing the base. Suddenly the magazine seated and ejected freely from my Les Baer and from my Kimber. Next stop was the grinding wheel to take off just enough metal to allow proper function. The first two brief grinds weren't enough. The third one solved the problem. Seating and ejection both work perfectly now! In the photo the bare metal is plainly visible. Can anybody recommend some sort of touch-up product to put on that bare metal to prevent rust?

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    Degrease it with 90%+ isopropyl alcohol, then hit it with a Birchwood Casey touchup blue pen. The bluing isn’t really that much of a rust preventative by itself, so follow up with a freshwater wipedown, dry, then coat with your CLP of choice.
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    Rick McC, Thanks much. I found the Birchwood Casey touchup blue pen on the Brownell's website. Unfortunately I also learned from their website that I do not live in one of the 49 states where it can be shipped legally.

    If anyone can suggest a substitute product to solve this problem I would be happy to learn of it.
    i sold all my handguns. . . . . . . . . . except for the 1911 style pistols in .45 ACP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuyModesto View Post
    Rick McC, Thanks much. I found the Birchwood Casey touchup blue pen on the Brownell's website. Unfortunately I also learned from their website that I do not live in one of the 49 states where it can be shipped legally.

    If anyone can suggest a substitute product to solve this problem I would be happy to learn of it.
    Any “cold blue” product should work fine, as long as the part is properly degreased prior to application.
    BC also makes a “black” pen product for use on nonferrous metals. It’s basically a paint, so that may be legal in your state, though I don’t know why the touchup blue isn’t. Perhaps it’s one of those ”known by the State of California to cause cancer” products...
    "Sights are for the unenlightened."

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    Last edited by Rick McC.; 15th September 2020 at 20:13.


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    I like Brownells Oxpho Blue, or (second choice) Dicropan T-4.

    It won't surprise me if both of those are also banned in California.
    Hawkmoon
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    Personally I'd de-grease,couple coats of primer and finish with an enamel paint like enamel modeling paint an automotive touch up paint and let It harden for a week or two, unless you really want to just do the touch up pen and have to oil It regularly forever,
    I know my way sounds long and Involved but, you only do It once.
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    Last edited by grayman; 18th September 2020 at 22:35.


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