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Thread: Something I didn't know, do you?

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    Something I didn't know, do you?

    I was talking to a retired LEO at the range yesterday. He was carrying a 45 like me. So, we compared pistols. When I unloaded mine to let him look it over, he commented about the rounds I had. They were reloaded 230gr. lead RN. He said if a cop were to ask to see my carry permit and examine my pistol, he would not be happy with the lead bullets. Was advised to carry only jacketed bullets. Anyone else heard of this?

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    Never heard of such a thing.
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    Nope, never heard of such thing either.

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    I've never heard of such a thing.....I'm dying to know why too.
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    Scratching my head, sounds like one man's opinion. Any LEO out there agree with this? Or, explain the logic behind it?
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    In NJ, you'd have a problem with hollowpoints, but since you have to be a politician or movie start to have a carry permit...it's doubly moot because you're in Iowa.

    Mas Ayoob makes a plausible point that one should have only factory loads in one's carry piece, and to keep the balance of the box unfired. If one finds oneself in a courtroom where powder marks will be used to validate your claim of distance from the person you shot, the court won't take your word that the other rounds in the box are the same as the ones expended...if they are handloads. That is, they will test the ammo to observe powder mark patterns; the lab will need the exact lot of ammo to compare to the evidence gathered at the scene. With factory ammo, little problem; with handloads, big problem, no solution.

    So, when you practice, use up the rounds in the gun & the box; load up to carry with rounds from a fresh box. Date the box flap with the date you loaded up, and go forth with confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Tom
    He said if a cop were to ask to see my carry permit and examine my pistol, he would not be happy with the lead bullets. Was advised to carry only jacketed bullets. Anyone else heard of this?
    My late grandfather had two words that come immediately to mind as I read this:

    Poppycock

    Balderdash
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjkuleck
    ......Mas Ayoob makes a plausible point that one should have only factory loads in one's carry piece, and to keep the balance of the box unfired. If one finds oneself in a courtroom where powder marks will be used to validate your claim of distance from the person you shot, the court won't take your word that the other rounds in the box are the same as the ones expended...if they are handloads. That is, they will test the ammo to observe powder mark patterns; the lab will need the exact lot of ammo to compare to the evidence gathered at the scene. With factory ammo, little problem; with handloads, big problem, no solution.

    So, when you practice, use up the rounds in the gun & the box; load up to carry with rounds from a fresh box. Date the box flap with the date you loaded up, and go forth with confidence.

    Regards,

    Walt
    Very sound advice to say the least! I would recommend you check Iowa's State Statutes on Concealed Carry for any ammunition restrictions, i.e., type of bullet (FMJ, JHP, lead); any restrictions on handloaded ammunition. If it is not listed by the State, then it is not illegal to use. ....However, with that said, here in Florida there are no restrictions on factory or handloads. I personally chose not to use handloads for my CCW, not only for reasons stated by Walt, but due to some of the stories that have been told about how prosecutors will go after the handloader. I will now also date the box as recommended by Walt. .....The LEO may not like what you carry, but if it is not restricted by law, there is nothing legal they can do, other than harassment in delaying you and possibly trying to find something else wrong during the stop.

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    Ive heard of it for the same reason Walt listed

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    The instructor for my CCW advised us to carry factory defensive rounds. If you were carrying reloads a slick lawyer could try to make the case you made your ammo more deadly than factory ammo.
    I do realize this is crazy talk but think about the other crazy stuff lawyers have done. With such a selection of quality defensive ammo available I am not willing to take that chance, as crazy as that may be.

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