Nice looking gun, does anybody know the price on it and when it will be available?
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Nice looking gun, does anybody know the price on it and when it will be available?
Davidson's Gallery of Guns lists the pistol for $599, though they don't have any available.
Is there any word on a hi-cap version? My mid-late 1990s 'GI Config paras are the best 1911s I have ever owned. I'd personally like to see it with a ramped barrel as well. Ramped barrels are a serious boon to the 1911s reliability, in my experience. I do like the use of a standard extractor though.
Michael Bane said on his last podcast that the MSRP for this new pistol will be around $600.
He has one in-hand already.
This one definitely is on my "buy" list for next year.
It will go well with my Warthog and P-12. I prefer my pistols to not have too much of a "thumb rest" on the safeties anyway I'm already used to the GI-style on some of my other 1911s.
No guide rod either, woot! Hate guide rods.
A combat 1911 should be able to be stripped down using nothing more than the parts on the gun itself.
I'm with you on the GI style safeties and no guide rod. Got flathead screws on my grips too. Don't want a 45 that needs a toolkit to strip.Quote:
Originally Posted by iball
I know that if these pistols work as good as they look, I'll have to have one. At 599 suggested retail, they should be available for a tad less at your favorite shop (Hopefully)
Glad to see that we have another excellant source for a GI type pistol.But for this 71 year old fuddy duddy my preference would be:
1:Standard GI spur hammer.
2:Arched MSH.
3:Series 70 design
4:Short solid steel trigger
If they don't then we can do the revisions to get it that way.A little hammer bite won't hurt ya and you are not supposed to drop-em.
Best,
Don
Don:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Sarkisian
Agreed, but I don't think Para can sell anything in Canada (and a couple States) without a drop safety (I'm not sure anybody'd buy the "firing pin plus spring" anymore). I'm surprised nobody's required that the drop safety be irreversible yet....
The rest, of course, is doable for a few bucks, although cutting out the ejection port a bit is probably harmless, and may be an advantage for reloaders.
I've got a PX745EM, which is just a 1911A1 clone with a beavertail and Para's hammer & trigger du jour. I had to add an arched MSH, and the thing is done in blue paint.... It looks nice enough for me (wth, I'm only 62 :)), and shoots fine. IMHO (maybe I'm a softie) the beavertail's a welcome add-on (any old hammer would be OK with me) for a gun that I intend to shoot a lot. My hand's big enough that any trigger is fine....
http://i4.tinypic.com/105siee.jpg
I like the frontstrap cover, too....
(It really is a nice dark blue, although the pic kinda washes it out - the camera's choice was to play with color balance a bit - I guess it didn't believe it either....)
Is it "genuine GI"? Nah, but it shoots (and carries) well. Night sights and a CT laser (instead of that gripset and front strap) would be solid options if I carried it much.... I'm not a purist....
I do think that the new "GI" gun will be a good platform for whatever custom work you'd want to do, though. $100 or so would put a beavertail and arched MSH on the thing real quick if you didn't want to do it yourself, and the sky's the limit otherwise....
(I would prefer dovetailed sights - it's easy to fake the GI look with dovetailed sights and a LOT easier to swap 'em if that's your goal.)
Regards,
Hi Guys. Just joined. Have been looking to purchase my 1st 1911 and I think the Expert is the one. I did see it listed on another site for sale for $500.15. They don't have them yet though.
Saw a MSRP of $599.00 in the new Dillon Blue Book yesterday, and wondered about general availability.
Rick
Well, if we haven't one, nobody has one. There is only one prototype and as far as George Wedge told me, it's still in the factory. I think it will be the first Para pistol that will come out of their new factory in USA.
John:
It sure looks like everybody thinks they'll be getting one :).... Lots of sites seem to have the pictures, etc.
My guess is that the official rollout will be at SHOT, with some of them in the pipeline at that point.
(Or, we could frisk Hawk.... Never trusted that guy :D....)
You're probably correct about coming out of the new factory.
I'm still waiting for a PDA in .40....
Regards,
Well, Para dealers should have them the same time we get our sample for the review or very soon after we get our sample. I am waiting for George to give me a date we can expect to have the review pistol, so far no ... commitment, but I ain't expecting nothing better from that short Cannucki!! :D :) :p
I'm eagerly waiting for the promised GI Expert review in the next Ezine. Any updates from those lucky enough to be at the SHOT show?
Thanks!
I saw one and held it. George Wedge has our FFL data and we are at (or near) the top of the list for getting a sample to review, but he said there are VERY few of them available as yet.
Is this gun available yet? Has anyone shot it? How does PARA compare to Kimber?
Hawk:
You held it and gave it back! Shame.... :D
Commando68:
I've got one Kimber and three Paras.... Done right (mine was), Kimber makes a fine gun, and, IMHO, Para does too.... A buddy of mine has a Kimber, post-Katrina, but pre-11/4/2008, that went back four times before it got good enough to shoot in.... YMMV....
("Post-Katrina" - after the Hurricane, a lot of people bought a lot of guns.... This stressed the manufacturers and their service departments. The more recent date has also resulted in lots of sales, and lots of problem guns in the pipeline.)
I have a major issue with Kimber's use of the "Swartz" drop safety - mine doesn't have one. Para licenses the Colt system, which, IMHO, is considerably more likely to NOT cause problems. That was one of the reasons why my buddy's Kimber went back....
Regards,
Can you change the sights on this pistol (GI Expert)? Because on the website it said the sights are "fixed" dove tails.
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_...arge.php?id=73
Also can I choose to put the power extractor and ramped barrel in it after I but it.
This the exact gun model I want from them, but they don't have the power extractor and ramped barrel in it.
Thank you guys!
No. Oh, you could, but the frame and slide work required to do that would no doubt cost more than the pistol.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudeBro
Can you change the sights on this pistol (GI Expert)? Because on the website it said the sights are "fixed" dove tails.
Yes. "Fixed sights" means they are "non-adjustable", but you can have them replaced.
I think this pistol is probably good to go as is.
You'd have the same issues with doing this as you'd have with a Kimber or any other normally configured 1911. The frame would need to be machined to accommodate a ramped barrel, and it would be tricky to open up the extractor tunnel to accommodate the Power Extractor.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudeBro
And I'm afraid that since you're in California, as I recall, you have another road block. This model isn't on the California approved list (http://certguns.doj.ca.gov). I don't think that Para Ordnance will be able to add it, because guns must have a loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect to be added to the list after 1 January 2007. (There's a technical exception that I doubt would apply here.)
To keep up with California gun laws, you might want to check out http://www.calguns.net .
Our test gun has arrived at the FFL and we'll begin testing next week. This is the pistol I've been wishing Para would make, so I will move the test along as quickly as I can manage it between two jobs.
FWIW - I believe Para puts a small slit in the top of the barrel hood to serve as a loaded chamber indicator. But ... no magazine safety, so probably no sales to California.
DudeBro:
You can swap the sights - they're dovetailed, which makes it pretty easy, and if Para stayed with their own standards, it'd be an inexpensive upgrade. Forget about the ramped barrel and PXT, though. Just not worth the effort. Para sells a 7.45 in the $600 range that's got all the good stuff (everything but an arched MSH, which is one of my "musts"). The price difference is small enough to justify going that route unless you're really up against it. Looks like: http://i12.tinypic.com/5z1dwjp.jpg
I installed the arched MSH and frontstrap finger grooves. The rest is "stock". This gun's really blue, too! My camera decided to muck with the "white balance" and grey it out a little.
Hawk:
I'm not sure about this gun, but all of my Paras are equipped with the chamber slit. I expect they're doing it here, too, although there's no reason (other than the lawyers) to do so. AFAIK, putting a mag safety into the 1911 may not be easy. I think you could do it to an LDA (the rules are already bent beyond recognition :)), but an SA is another animal.
Regards,
It looks like the PX745E (http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=68) is on the California list. MSRP is $899, which is $300 more than the MSRP for the GI Expert. But the PX745E already has a ramped barrel and Power Extractor. It would cost more than $300 to add a ramped barrel and Power Extractor to a GI Expert. And street price for a PX745 may well be less than $899.
DVC
Frank:
The one I posted above (PX745E or EM - can't remember which) was $575 in May of '06. It was on sale at the time, and it was also my 60th birthday.... Couldn't resist. Seems to me that was about $100 off what the dealer normally wanted for that model. Minuses are "plain" furniture (trigger, safety, slide stop) - all just black or blue, and the finish is "paint", which seems to be cheaper to make than any kind of non-paint finish. Para also sold essentially the same gun with stainless or "silver" furniture at a slightly higher price.
I wouldn't count on finding one at that price today. I'm giving serious thought to a Slim Hawg, but finding one at a reasonable price might be more trouble than it's worth for a while. Still thinking....
IAC, the "GI" gun has a great base price, but if you want the other goodies, and can't do 'em yourself, you're going to drop over $100 to pay somebody to buy a beavertail and arched MSH and install it for you. I'm not sure if Para will put night sights on this model for $100 (I'm not sure if that offer still goes for other models anymore either), but if you do that yourself, it'll cost $80+ for just the sights. A beavertail is about $50 before installation.... Give or take, depending on the source, model, etc. Probably just me, but I consider the 745 I posted earlier about as simple as I'd go (or stay). No night sights on that one, but I rarely carry it. My two carry guns are set up about the same way, but with night sights and lasers. One's an LDA and doesn't have a beavertail, although I wouldn't mind it. Maybe someday....
Regards,
Can I remove the Fiber Optic front sight off one of their guns and replace it with a white dot?
Sorry guys, for asking all these tedious noobie questions, I appreciate the info.
Is this a single action, and legal in California?Quote:
Originally Posted by SMMAssociates
Does this have the power extractor and single action, it doesn't say on there? And is it legal in California(what do you mean its on the list)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank
The GI Expert, as mentioned in the first post in this thread, does not have a Power Extractor, nor a ramped barrel. And it is a single-action pistol. As simple as it gets.
The PX745 is sin'ge action and does have the ramped barrel and Power Extractor. It also looks like it's legal in California (it's on the list of handguns certified for sale in California).
DVC
Thank you Frank, I have now found my first handgun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank
Being a special edition, would there be any difficulties getting replacement parts or upper/lower receiver a few years down the road? (even if so Im still going to get it)
There would be no problem getting parts. And I would worry about replacing the receiver (frame). That should be good for several generations.
DVC
My ffl checked today about ordering the GI Expert and the 3 wholesalers he deals with don't have any available. Anyone have any idea when these are going to be available in more quanity? I don't mind waiting seeing he is a person friend and the cost is $435.
Just ordered mine yesterday!! Should be here within 2 days.. too bad I have to travel for work and wont be back home till the 7th. Cant wait to get back to it now. I will post some picks when I get back!
DudeBro,
Why, in noticeable daily operating terms, do you want a power extractor and ramped barrel so much and, given the significant differences they'd make, why focus on the Expert?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DudeBro
Who did you order from to get in 2 days?Quote:
Originally Posted by rng-eod
http://www.onlinegundeals.com/
605-692-2013
Its a shop in South Dakota called The Exchange, awesome customer service as they were really nice to deal with. They should be continuing to get the GI Expert in on a regular basis.
That is where I got mine also, overnight shipping is only $30 and when your spending $500 whats another $30 to have it in 2 days. Has anyone tried to fit Ed Brown or Wilson parts such as the slide stop, or magazine release to the GI Expert? If I can barrow my buddies HD Video camera again I plan on doing a video review and posting it on Youtube.
Does Para have a Customizing shop like Kimber or Springfield, I would like to get a beavertail grip safety installed on my GI Expert
I believe their website contains a link to their "Pro Shop" at the top right. I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for or not.
MM
I just won one of these Sunday at a gun bash i paid 3 bucks for a ticket and had first pick of the table, so this ended coming home with me. Cant wait for warmer weather to shoot it
:wc:Quote:
Originally Posted by crinko
Well, the least you can do is post some pictures for us!
pics will be up within the week
A friend of mine bought a Para GI Expert about 2 weeks ago. Very nice, low priced 1911 gov model pistol.
He needed to change the hammer and trigger in order to have the para qualify rules wise for a type of match we shoot. He ordered the parts, and I installed them today. I fired about 60 rounds thru it to be certain that it was going to function properly. It did.
I have several 1911's, Colts, Springfields, Kimbers.......this Para GI is a really nice gun. I was impressed with the accuracy, as well as the finish. I think someone earlier referred to it as paracoat?? His dealer cost was about $430.00.....it was money well spent.
CW
Maby Para's introduction of this 1911 pistol in that affordable price range, will give other gun Mfg'rs the same idea to put into their sales catalog a simular pistol at that price range to compeat with Para's pricing, It would be nice to see other Mfs such as Kimber ,Colt,HK,S & W,Sig, & Springfield,to come up with a $ 500.00 1911 pistol to match what Para has made in the G I Expert for that price to offer it, To pick up their sales, In these hard ecomony times ? :appld:
REDTAIL:
I'm not sure what the pricing is, but Springfield's had one for a couple years. Made in Croatia, though, I think.
Regards,
Er, no, the XDs are made in Croatia. The SA GI is made in Brazil, usually, but some batches, with NM-prefixed S/N,s are assembled in the US.
RIA also makes affordable 1911s in a GI configuration. Auto-Ordnance has one, too.
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