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United States  Old 29th October 2006, 17:20
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SiGARMS Revolution STX Range Report...

Took my brother and both of our brand new SiGARMS Revolution STXs to the range today...his bone stock and mine with G-10 Double Diamond grip plates I had previous as my burled maple arrived with a crack in the left side grip plate (new set enroute thanks to Ray in SiG Customer Service )

Let's get this out of the way right now...it's a keeper...very nice and I am happy I bought it...

Went to the local range today...very last minute...had 300 total rounds of Speer Lawman 230GR TMJ...picked up two more boxes (another 100 rounds) of American 230GR Lead Free Ball...
My intention today was to fire as many rounds through it as I could given it was only a couple of hours until the range closes, this was all very last minute and my older brother is about an hour away from me...he arrived, we went, paid our dues and stepped up to the line.
This is the first time I have shot this pistol (both of us on these pistols) but I have to say, putting the first round in the bull right where I aimed at about 25 feet set the mood...big smile on my face...my brother seemed more interested in the accuracy and I had to keep reminding him...500 to break in...THEN we can carp about the bad and boast about the good.
First two mags, not a hitch...third magazine full and the second round failure to feed (it IS a brand new gun after all)...
After the first 50 rounds and no further problems, I noticed that my hands and the pistol are filthy from the Speer Lawman (Blue Box)...yuck...second mag into the second 50 and I have several failures to feed...this pistol is really dirty...a spritz with Breakfree...all we had at the time got it running but it is not encouraged to do anything like this (cleaning and whatnot) on this range and it is packed here with shooters today...
Several more failures to feed spring up but I attribute ALL of these to a dirty gun...the sling shot rack of the slide seems to get things going again.
About 210 rounds apiece and we are done...the SiG is REALLY dirty and I have some problems seating a magazine with it filled to 8 rounds...even more trouble now with 8 and trying to get that 9th in the pipe and then seating the mag near the end of our session...so much for that. I would have liked to get 500 rounds downrange but not today.

Conclusions:
I would say that this pistol is very nice...the sights appear to be spot on for me...my brothers were close for me but need to have point of aim lowered for him (they're adjustable)...I had absolutely zero failures to extract...the controls ran smooth, ambi-safety worked like it should...the front strap checkering was a bit sharp but my other 1911s didn't have any so, get used to it lightweight... ...the wavey slide serrations are sharp too but see previous answer...except for getting a few down my back or under the collar and the very slight mark I put on it placing the slide stop in when the oily hands and oily gun conspired to let it slip (not quite an idiot mark but I know it's ther... ) I think it is a very nice pistol with a nice trigger pull and more accurate than I can be...what's not to like...
I am unconcerned about the FTFs as this only started after the gun got dirty and could probably have used a bit more lubrication...but not as much as when I cleaned it...hope this one continues to get better with age and there is no reason to believe it won't.
YMMV,
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Glad to see that everything went well for you and your new STX!

Keep us posted up to and after the 500rd mark.

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United States  Old 30th October 2006, 02:16
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Originally Posted by silversport
Took my brother and both of our brand new SiGARMS Revolution STXs to the range today...his bone stock and mine with G-10 Double Diamond grip plates I had previous as my burled maple arrived with a crack in the left side grip plate (new set enroute thanks to Ray in SiG Customer Service )

Let's get this out of the way right now...it's a keeper...very nice and I am happy I bought it...

Went to the local range today...very last minute...had 300 total rounds of Speer Lawman 230GR TMJ...picked up two more boxes (another 100 rounds) of American 230GR Lead Free Ball...
My intention today was to fire as many rounds through it as I could given it was only a couple of hours until the range closes, this was all very last minute and my older brother is about an hour away from me...he arrived, we went, paid our dues and stepped up to the line.
This is the first time I have shot this pistol (both of us on these pistols) but I have to say, putting the first round in the bull right where I aimed at about 25 feet set the mood...big smile on my face...my brother seemed more interested in the accuracy and I had to keep reminding him...500 to break in...THEN we can carp about the bad and boast about the good.
First two mags, not a hitch...third magazine full and the second round failure to feed (it IS a brand new gun after all)...
After the first 50 rounds and no further problems, I noticed that my hands and the pistol are filthy from the Speer Lawman (Blue Box)...yuck...second mag into the second 50 and I have several failures to feed...this pistol is really dirty...a spritz with Breakfree...all we had at the time got it running but it is not encouraged to do anything like this (cleaning and whatnot) on this range and it is packed here with shooters today...
Several more failures to feed spring up but I attribute ALL of these to a dirty gun...the sling shot rack of the slide seems to get things going again.
About 210 rounds apiece and we are done...the SiG is REALLY dirty and I have some problems seating a magazine with it filled to 8 rounds...even more trouble now with 8 and trying to get that 9th in the pipe and then seating the mag near the end of our session...so much for that. I would have liked to get 500 rounds downrange but not today.

Conclusions:
I would say that this pistol is very nice...the sights appear to be spot on for me...my brothers were close for me but need to have point of aim lowered for him (they're adjustable)...I had absolutely zero failures to extract...the controls ran smooth, ambi-safety worked like it should...the front strap checkering was a bit sharp but my other 1911s didn't have any so, get used to it lightweight... ...the wavey slide serrations are sharp too but see previous answer...except for getting a few down my back or under the collar and the very slight mark I put on it placing the slide stop in when the oily hands and oily gun conspired to let it slip (not quite an idiot mark but I know it's ther... ) I think it is a very nice pistol with a nice trigger pull and more accurate than I can be...what's not to like...
I am unconcerned about the FTFs as this only started after the gun got dirty and could probably have used a bit more lubrication...but not as much as when I cleaned it...hope this one continues to get better with age and there is no reason to believe it won't.
YMMV,
Bill

Silversport,

I wouldn't try to cover for the gun. It needs to stand on its own. That gun should be able to shoot after 1000 rounds of not cleaning. All it should need is a little lube before shooting and it should go. Having a dirty gun after a few hundred rounds is no excuse for ftf's or fte's.

And the break in thing, guns don't need a break in if they are set up right, even if they happen to be 1911's. I think that is general misnomer about the 1911. Other guns shoot just fine right out of the box, but the 1911 for some reason has been given this immunity from critisim for not working right, and I don't know where it has come from. Anyway, I am glad you are enthusiastic about your sig 1911. I own one too.

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that's fine as your opinion...I have been shooting pistols for over 25 years...EVERY pistol I have ever owned needed a break in time...

Colt Diamondback .38Special (pre owned) needed to be repaired after shooting due to prior owner neglect in using a "pistol smith"
Colt Python .38 Special/.357 Magnumbrand new...locked up on shot number 5, needed to go to Colt authorized repair shop for repair.
Beretta 84 new .380ACP...not one hiccup I can recall.
SiG P226 9MM...new...minor hiccups through first 500
SiG P228 9MM...new...minor hiccups through the first 500
SiG P220 .45ACP...new...some failures to feed and extract...smooth after the 1st 500
SiG P239 9MM...new...some failures to feed went to factory for polishing of throat and barrel, returned perfect.
SiG P232 .380ACP...new...no hiccups I recall.
SiG P226 357SiG...new...some minor hiccups in the 1st 500...smooth after that.
SiG P220ST...new...no hiccups in the 1st 100 rounds but sold off.
GLOCK 19 9MM...new...hiccups had to go back to factory and returned perfect.
GLOCK 21 .45ACP...new...near perfect out of the box.
GLOCK 27 40 S&W...new...near perfect out of the box...GLOCK 357 "AUTO" barrel for 357SiG rounds...no hiccups I recall.
Seecamp LWS .32ACP...new...some failures to feed initially, no problems after break in.
Kimber Custom II...some failures to feed and extract reported from previous owner after he bought it new...I bought pistol...no problems after break in...hmmm.
Springfield Armory Mil-Spec...new...some failures to feed and extract...no problems after break in.
Smith & Wesson 37? Bodyguard...bought used...no problems.
Smith & Wesson 642-2 Airweight Centennial...new...bent firing pin from the factory, repaired and no problems after that...
Other pistols and shotguns but no problems I can recall other than those mentioned right now...

My point with my range report is that when you can VISUALLY see all the carbon build up, how can you expect the pistol to run properly??? I don't expect it to...and I don't make excuses for my guns...I need them to protect life and property, if it fails me it goes, simple as that...should this continue after it is properly broken in, I would have it repaired or sell it off...

Some pistols have been trouble free, some not...I would agree that a pistol needs to work 100%, 100% of the time...I certainly need this but you need to temper that with proper care and handling...it seemed to me that the problems I had increased as the pistol fouled with carbon...when I spritzed it with lube/cleaner, it began to run again until it fouled further...I don't think that is an excuse, I think ANY mechanical device would act in a similar manner given the conditions...your mileage may vary!
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They (1911's and others) need to be tammed (breaking in) Some run 100% but to be smooth they have to get set (frame to the slide) and the the burnishing of the barrel and the sear to the hammer.

That is my experience - like yours with ALL my 1911's

The new Sig XO is some sort a ACCURATE. It does not like blazer brass!!! That is all they had at the range today. I have several FTF's - looked like the case rim was having trouble getting set under the extractor claw.

The last outing it ran flawless with Remington UMC ammo. I am getting older and harder to hold the POA, and the eyes as well, hard to see past 15 yards or so.

I took 4 pistols Sig XO - TRP Operator - Bul M5 and RIA widebody.

best results

Sig-
Bul M5 - RIA widebody (tied for second)
TRP Operator - oh well maybe another day!!

I am really impressed with the Sig GSR so far. For under $700.00 - hand held the first 5 rounds were dead center on the one inch orange dot. (the last three of the mag--- well --- you know how it goes sometimes)

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I'm with you...thanks for sharing the news...
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