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    Short trigger, long trigger

    I have never seen an explanation why the switch was made from the long trigger on the 1911 to the short trigger on the 1911A when today most all 1911's use the long trigger.

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    I believe it was to help shooters with smaller hands to reach the trigger. The switch took place at roughly the same time as when the half-moon scallops were introduced at the rear of the trigger guard, presumably for the same reason.
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    in my view the fact most all 1911's these days come with long triggers is a mistake- long fingers can reach either one whereas the long trigger can be a problem for those with small hands. Also better when wearing gloves- it is cold for quite a good part of the year in my parts. the improvements of the a1 were to make it easier to shoot with a large variable in the hand size of miltiary personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyros
    I believe it was to help shooters with smaller hands to reach the trigger. The switch took place at roughly the same time as when the half-moon scallops were introduced at the rear of the trigger guard, presumably for the same reason.
    Spyros is exactly correct.

    Part of the reason for long triggers today is the men are bigger than they were in 1911. The long trigger was driven, I think, by the bullseye shooters, for whom precise finger placement is important. With a short trigger, it's easy to overextend the trigger finger, using the joint rather than the pad on the trigger shoe.

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    I'm not sure that the idea that long fingers (and big hands) and short triggers can work, is valid. I can certainly reach such a trigger, but I wouldn't enjoy shooting a 1911 all day with one.

    Of course, as a procurement decision, for a military force, looking to arm a few million soldiers... it's hard to argue with the logic. The M1911A1 was intended to be a fighting tool, not a range gun.
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    if you look at the AMTU manual on pistol shooting (available from the cmp and admittedly focused on Bullseye not combat shooting) it will show your trigger finger should only be touching the trigger and there should be daylight between the rest of your finger and the grip panel for best results. It is very hard for many shooters to do that with a long trigger.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the short trigger introduced in conjunction with the arched mainspring housing? I can handle this configuration (it is what my Series 70 replica has), but a short trigger with a flat MSH seems extremely short, in my opinion.
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    I have recently experimented with putting the first joint of my finger in to the rt. side of the trigger and it feels better. Picked the idea up from a Brian Zins article. My hands aren't that big, so I'm going to go for a short trigger.He says the pad is too mushy for proper control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erogers
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the short trigger introduced in conjunction with the arched mainspring housing? I can handle this configuration (it is what my Series 70 replica has), but a short trigger with a flat MSH seems extremely short, in my opinion.
    You are correct, the arched mainspring housing was part of the -A1 change list. The arched mainspring housing slightly rotates the pistol in the shooter's hand, usually bringing the pistol into better vertical alignment with the shooter's hand.

    I prefer arched housings combined with a long trigger and my hands are not particularly large, but this configuration is the most comfortable for me.
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    The original 1911 trigger is closer to, or is what is considered a medium length trigger today. The short trigger; the A1 length, I do not care for and the long one; NM length, is too long for me. I bought a brand new Colt and had to change out the long trigger to a medium length.
    The original 1911 length trigger is my favorite style, and with a straight MSH is the best option for me.
    The arched MSH is definately more comfortable with a short trigger than the straight MSH is, IMO.
    I also prefer the 1911 frame type without the scallops cuts behind the trigger. But this is a moot point for sure, mainly aesthetics.
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