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Thread: A gentleman on another forum says

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    A gentleman on another forum says

    Israeli surplus HPs were made by FN any corroboration to this? I, personally, have never seen anything in print saying this statement but, I'm not too old to learn.
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    No evidence of FN contributing to Kareen production. More likely FEG or Arcus, leaning to FEG. Israel occaisionally sells captured FN's and non-FN HiPower type pistols from various sources, so there is such a thing as Israel sourced FN surplus ... but likely assembled outside of Israel, not part of their domestic production.

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    Mark75H, what proof could you provide of this? Or where could I find proof of this, please? I've checked the web thoroughly both ways.
    Steve

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    The majority of the past Israeli surplus HP's were FN produced and obtained by Israel by whatever source at their disposal. Israel has long been silent on weapons procurement but many FEG and Kareen pistols as well as a ton of Star Model B 9mm were surplused.
    i believe the arms importers did not stop in Israel but acquired weapons all over the mid East and Africa. I have both Israeli marked HP's and a Star B also a South African Army marked Star B all of which CDI sold over recent years.

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    IBmikey, so if mine is stamped Kareen, it isn't a true FN but, perhaps a FEG? Sorry but, I do't understand the Kareen conection? Who are they? Arms producer or middle men?
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    Kareen is Israeli domestic production. Parts may have been produced outside of Israel prior to assembly. Like the trip to the center of a Tootsie Pop ... the world will never know.
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    What Mark said, I believe they made the parts internally and kept their FEG and FN pistols going with them also. There is not much known about how Israel armed itself in earlier years. At one time they must have been issuing eight or ten different pistols to Gov. agencies and military. At that time they were also feeding them with multiple calibers of ammo.
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    Here is an Israeli HP MK ll 1/2 that I bought at a gun show and completely restored. Just waiting for night sights to arrive.... It is like NEW and shoots as good as it looks! It was only carried and seldom shot. I have also replaced the thumb safety with an FEG type.


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    "GIVE ME A FAST SHIP, AND I WILL SAIL IN HARMS WAY" JOHN PAUL JONES USN
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    Here is what makes it a MK ll 1/2. A MK ll slide on a MK lll frame.

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    "GIVE ME A FAST SHIP, AND I WILL SAIL IN HARMS WAY" JOHN PAUL JONES USN
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    Thanks John, that adds to my confusion.
    Steve

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