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Thread: Loading .45ACP 230 grain FMJ over Unique

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    Loading .45ACP 230 grain FMJ over Unique

    I'd like to load .45 ACP 230 gr. FMJ over Unique powder. I see in their reloading data only recommendations for 230 gr. FMC (6.0 grains).

    What is FMC?

    Can I use that data as a starting point for 230 gr. FMJ "ball" ammo?

    Does anyone use Unique powder for 230 FMJ .45 ACP loads?

    As an aside I am also looking for .38 spl. 125 gr. FN reload data. I only find data for 125 gr. JSP (5.3 grains).

    What is JSP?

    Can I use that data as a starting point for 125 gr. RN copper?

    Does anyone use Unique powder for 125 Gr. RN JMJ loads?
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    Unique/45 ACP

    Quote Originally Posted by warmrain
    I'd like to load .45 ACP 230 gr. FMJ over Unique powder. I see in their reloading data only recommendations for 230 gr. FMC (6.0 grains).

    What is FMC?

    FMC = Full Metal Case

    Can I use that data as a starting point for 230 gr. FMJ "ball" ammo?

    I have been using 5.8 in my Kimber Eclipse and found it to be a little "light", that is, failure to toss the emptys very far. I have since moved up to the 6.0 gr recommendation.

    Does anyone use Unique powder for 230 FMJ .45 ACP loads?

    As an aside I am also looking for .38 spl. 125 gr. FN reload data. I only find data for 125 gr. JSP (5.3 grains).

    What is JSP?

    JSP = Jacketed Soft Point.

    Can I use that data as a starting point for 125 gr. RN copper?

    Does anyone use Unique powder for 125 Gr. RN JMJ loads?
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    Pappy,

    It sounds like FMC is synonimous with FMJ?

    So you're using 6.0 of Unique with 230 gr. jacketed?

    I'm thinking the JSP is similar enough to JRN that I can use that data for the same bullet weight?
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    Last edited by warmrain; 19th January 2006 at 17:05. Reason: for clarity and spelling


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    Quote Originally Posted by warmrain
    Pappy,

    It sounds like FMC is synonimous with FMJ?

    So you're using 6.0 of Unique with 230 gr. jacketed?

    I'm thinking the JSP is similar enough to JRN that I can use that data for the same bullet weight?
    Yes Steve. FMC = FMJ. I guess it's an old term now and not much used any more. Times and terminology change. Drat!!!!

    On the Alliant web site they list 16,000 psi for 6.0/230 Unique. COL = 1.190" (mininum), which is pretty stubby and if you go to about 1.250", this pressure will drop somewhat. This is in the range of standard factory loads.
    They do list a +P load at 6.4/230/JHP/19,400 psi. COL now is 1.230" minimum.
    Steve, try the 5.7 - 5.8 weight and see if it is suitable for you.
    I use the RCBS Little Dandy powder measure (interchangeable rotors). The #12 threw 5.75 grains and I found it to be a tad light as I mentioned earlier, and the next rotor up, #13 threw about 6.4 grains. So I carefully drilled out the #12 so I would get 6.0 grains. And marked it #12MOD.
    Anyway, I once posted a thread about Unique/45ACP. If you can find it, you'll see what others have said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pappy
    FMC = FMJ
    So what did it stand for? Full Metal Casing? Covering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandersFan
    So what did it stand for? Full Metal Casing? Covering?
    Hi Tom.
    The Lyman Ideal handbook #40 (April 1955) calls it Full Metal Casing. I don't recall hearing the term jacketed in those days...Pappy
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    So I get up to the workshop to start loading .45 ACP for the first time with the components I bought months ago and... I've got 200gr. RN...

    So, I'm just starting to load for .45 ACP after some reasonable experience with revolver loads. I just loaded my first .45 ACP this AM in fact.

    I loaded 6 rounds of 200 gr. RN over 8.1 gr. of HS-6 and another 6 over 6.4 gr. of Unique.

    These are both -10% (as recommended for starting loads) of the normal specification. My intention was to go out to the range tomorrow and see if the slide will even cycle...

    I'm being very cautious with the 1911s I have. Some are replacable some are not. The replacable ones are Kimbers CDPs that have been customized (read $$$) and then there are the all steel ones that are not antiques, but rare...

    Is starting 10% light the right thing to do? (Overall length is 1.25")
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    The 8.1gr of HS-6 is toward the higher end of the scale in the Hornady manual. They have 8.6gr at max load around 950 fps. The chart starts at 7.3gr around 800 fps to 8.6gr at 950. They might be a little warm I figure just under 900 fps by the book. The Hornady manual calls 6.2gr of Unique max with the 200 grain RN at 900 fps. The Unique starts at 5.6gr around 800 fps and maxes out at 6.2 at 950fps.I do not think 6.4gr of Unique will be dangerous but it is .2gr past max in the Hornady manual and I myself have never exceeded max load of the charts. Many manuals will differ some but those you loaded with 6.4gr of Unique will be approaching 1000fps and that my friend is a hot load. Myself I would pull the ones you loaded with Unique and reduce the powder charge. Someone on here might know better than me about 6.4gr of Unique in the 200 grain but I would hate for you to get hurt of blow up one of your 1911s. I am pretty cautious when handloading and generally stay around the middle of the chart.

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    Thanks Hunter,
    I loaded 8.1 of HS-6 (-10% from the Hodgdon site) and <= 6.4 of Unique (also -10%).

    It looks like I errored though... Which is why I checked in...

    I'm going to pull them all and go to:
    7.3 of HS-6
    and
    5.6 of Unique

    Is overall length of 1.25 acceptable?

    Many thanks for the sanity check...!

    Best,
    I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.
    It only takes a second to dial 911; it could take the rest of your life for help to arrive...
    Posts are my opinion based on my experience; YMMV.
    Last edited by warmrain; 20th January 2006 at 16:37. Reason: corrected 6.2 to read 6.4 of Unique


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    Question

    Thanks again Hunter...
    I'm checking again...

    The nearest load I can find on the Hodgdon page for 200 gr. is at:
    http://www.hodgdon.com/data/pistol/45acp.php
    and shows 9.0 of HS-6 for 930 fps. So I down loaded from there by 10% for 8.1 gr.

    The nearest load I can find on the Alliant page for 200 gr. is:
    http://recipes.alliantpowder.com/rg....escr=200%20JHP
    And calls for 7.1 of Unique for 975 fps. So I down loaded by 10% for 6.4.

    If I look at the 230 gr. data from each I see 8.2 for the HS-6 and 6.0 for the Unique, both pretty close to the middle of what you just gave me for 200 gr.

    Now I am confused... and cautious...

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