Cabot Guns - General Discussion

[SilverMSS]

I posted the pictures of the left & right side of the Jones 1911. I also put on the 5 targets we shot at that day. Each picture has the Brand, Grain, Distance and short description included. This is the first time we (wife & I) have shot a 1911. I started out at 42' but moved in to 25' since I was not sure a good starting point. So we are not experts by any means (here comes the excuse of why we stunk lol) but we think we didn't do too bad since we were on the ATV making trips back and forth to the car to the range transporting all the guns, ammo before we started. If anyone has question ask or has general input let us know. I will be taking the gun out more for more practice and to try out Federal hollow points and some other kinds of ammo. So far between the Federal AE and the Winchester, seems I do better with the Federal but I still have a ton of ammo left of each brand so time will tell. Next time I'll only run one kind through, strip and clean the gun then test the other brand.

[C1911]

Very nice looking pistol. Great shooting!

[Snow]

Thank you for the pictures.
Your Jones is a very nice 1911.

I was wondering why do you have two pairs of ironwood grips.
You did not like the first one?

[SilverMSS]

The reason for 2 grips is the set that came on the gun was made for the normal slide stop button. My wife has small hands so i wanted the extended slide stop for her, and normal for me. I bought another set of grips to accommodate the extended slide stop (which had to be ordered separate). The grips need to be cut down for the extended slide stop to function. Now that I have used both I prefer the extended myself since it's easier. Cabot still list the extended on their website and when I received mine I asked why it didn't have the extended. Cabot has went to doing the normal slide stops instead of the extended slide stops (which they need to edit their site) So the easiest thing for me to do was to buy an extra set of grips and extended stop to have the best of both worlds.

[Snow]

...This is the first time we (wife & I) have shot a 1911. ...
Very interesting.
You spent more than $5000 for your first 1911 and purchased a Cabot.
A lot of people here wrote a lot "why not Cabot". Can you explain
your personal reasons for choosing a Jones and not a Wilson Supergrade
or a full custom 1911 (or any other expensive 1911)?

[SilverMSS]

1. New Company
2. Top Model + Low Seriel # = Possible Investment
3. Appearance & Availbilty - How many people do you know that has one? If you seen one, would you not ask the person about it? So it's a great conversation starter for meeting & making new friends.
4. The final reason is my wife let me buy it. LOL.

Don't think I will not own any other 1911's this is just my first one. Their will be a few more I'll be adding over the course of the next year (again thank god the wife likes the 1911 over my revolvers). One of them will be the Kimber Raptor II.

[Snow]

... One of them will be the Kimber Raptor II.
Well, you spent all your money for the Jones, now it has to be ...less expensive ;)

Kidding...

The Raptor looks good on pictures, but it's another (lower) league.

If your wife consents, I would rather go for a high end Nighthawk or Wilson.
The availability is poor, but if you spend some time googling
you will find some stocking dealer with very nice semi-customs (with options).

[SilverMSS]

When I save enough money I would like to get another Cabot so each one of my boys can have one. The other companies are down the road. My next few guns are Cabot or Kimber since it's a bit cheaper then a Cabot, Cooper 22, Benelli M4 h2o tactical shotgun

[C1911]

One of them will be the Kimber Raptor II.
I love my Raptor, it's a great pistol and every bit as reliable as my WC, EB & Colts. Although it doesn't have a commensurate level of quality parts and the fit & finish doesn't compare to the WC & EB; those differences are reflected in the Raptor's lower price point.

[SilverMSS]

I just posted pictures for the National Standard Deluxe in the photo thread. I ended up not buying the Kimber Raptor instead I bought the Kimber Super Carry Custom in full size.

[C1911]

I just posted pictures for the National Standard Deluxe in the photo thread. I ended up not buying the Kimber Raptor instead I bought the Kimber Super Carry Custom in full size.
Just viewed the NSD in the photo thread; Wow, what an incredible looking pistol. Can't really tell by the photos, but is it bright polished stainless?

[SilverMSS]

Yes it is a high polish pistol. I had to shoot the photo that way since being in direct sunlight and the angle you can actually see the polishing lines. The camera and lens is high end so they will show every thing. Great pistol and for the stated 2 micron finish you get one nice pistol. I have seen other polish jobs that are a mirror finish without any sign of marks but they take a couple days to complete from a gunsmith to do the work by hand.

[SilverMSS]

Their will be more pictues posted of the NSD when i get an over cast day I'm thinking of contacting Cabot to see if they are going to make a 3" 1911 for conceal carrying. If they did make one and incorporated round edges on the entire gun (similiar to the Kimber super carry), I would definitely buy one. Planning on ordering a Wilson combat for CC though and god only knows the wait list on that.

[Snow]

Very nice pistol. Congrats!
You ended up by buying a second Cabot!
The NSD is also polished by hand.

You can buy a WC from a stocking dealer, so you don't have to wait.
And if you wish some customizations, you can send it back to Wilson.

[SilverMSS]

Yes, the NSD is polished by hand, my fault for not specifying. It has a great finish, but when it was in the sunlight the slide looks like it was done by a type of rotary tool buffing from the shape of the polishing lines on the slide. If stoning was used on all on all the flat surfaces you would be able to achieve a higher level of polish and no flaws. On the rounded surfaces of the gun you can't see the polishing lines. But if you want a flawless gun with no polishing lines its going to take more time and more money. I love with the way it came out. There are a few things that will be changed on the gun. It will have an extended slide stop that will be polished up and there is a set of Wicked grips on order, and a polished stainless silencer on it will also be installed. It will be one bad gun then.

If I only had to choose one Cabot gun to own out of them all, it would be the NSD. If I had one choice for a practical gun that I wouldn't be afraid of looking at without scratching it, then it would be a Rangemaster, since you wouldn't be afriad to take it out and shoot the heck out of it.

Do they have Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade Compacts in stock? That is a $5K gun so I wouldn't think it is carried by everyone

[Snow]

Do they have Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade Compacts in stock? That is a $5K gun so I wouldn't think it is carried by everyone
Not everyone, but someone...
You can start with a GunBroker daily search subscription.
Search the Internet...
BTW, a guy in a 1911 forum is selling his used one (with a gold bead front sight).

[SilverMSS]

I've looked on gunbroker at them and will probably just buy from the local shop unless I can find it in factory new condition for under retail on gunbroker. It's going to be next year before buying anymore firearms since I'm now broke.

[JGULL]

[QUOTE=SilverMSS]I just posted pictures for the National Standard Deluxe in the photo thread.


I went to the Cabot site to view the NDS and noticed that they now have a glorious new Mr. Jones Delux and at "only" $9450.00. The new MJD is one of the best looking 1911 I have ever viewed. The gun is way out of my league however I can still appreciate it.

[SilverMSS]

Your right it is one nice pistol. I wonder since it's limited to only 10 pistols if that means there is a possiblity they will make 20 of them. I also wonder about the seriel numbers. How are they numbered? They would have to have there own serial number 1 to 10 for the single hand guns, but unless you wanted a match set it would be 2 guns still numbered 1 to 10 but with and extra letters like R or L at the end of each gun.

[SilverMSS]

The gun is way out of my league however I can still appreciate it.


You could always cash out the 401K or sell a kid. LOL Just kidding.

[SilverMSS]

I've posted 2 new pictures of the Jones & Deluxe with different wood grips. Got the extended slide stop for the Deluxe. I'm going to go over to my friends house (he's a gunsmith) and I'll polish it up over there and get it installed. Eventually I'll get to the silencer and I plan on sending it out to have it engraved with guns name.

[Snow]

I've posted 2 new pictures of the Jones & Deluxe with different wood grips. Got the extended slide stop for the Deluxe. I'm going to go over to my friends house (he's a gunsmith) and I'll polish it up over there and get it installed. Eventually I'll get to the silencer and I plan on sending it out to have it engraved with guns name.
Although the Ironwood grips are beautiful, I like the original grips better. Especially on the Jones.

You have gorgeous pistols and the Canon EOS 5D Mark II is a very good camera.
You should buy a lightbox and try again to take pictures, you'll be impressed by the difference.

[SilverMSS]

I'll look into a lightbox since I've never even heard of one. Although on the Deluxe I will have to be careful on how i shoot the pictures since it can pick up the polishing marks. In fact I'll post one to show you what I mean. The thing that is better on the new grips is the cut and fit. Look at the pictures and you can see the cut along the top of the grips and it's rounded. On the new ones they have it all cut out for the safety and extended slide stop. (That side of the gun is not shown in the new pics though).

[Snow]

I'll look into a lightbox since I've never even heard of one. Although on the Deluxe I will have to be careful on how i shoot the pictures since it can pick up the polishing marks. In fact I'll post one to show you what I mean. The thing that is better on the new grips is the cut and fit. Look at the pictures and you can see the cut along the top of the grips and it's rounded. On the new ones they have it all cut out for the safety and extended slide stop. (That side of the gun is not shown in the new pics though).
The lightbox is basically a mini white tent with filtered lighting.
It will soften the light, therefore your polishing marks will be less visible.
Do a Google search with "Photography lightbox" or "Photography light box".
A $30-$50 model will do the job.

[dV8r]

...and if you want to see all of the blemishes put the gun on a scanner and scan it at a resolution of 1200 or more. Then look it over on a high res monitor, almost like using a microscope.

I use my scanner a lot for small parts inspection.

[Snow]

...and if you want to see all of the blemishes put the gun on a scanner and scan it at a resolution of 1200 or more. Then look it over on a high res monitor, almost like using a microscope.
I use my scanner a lot for small parts inspection.
Or use a camera with macro lens. ;)
But I don't think he wants to see all micro blemishes on a $7.5K gun. :D

[SilverMSS]

Yes I don't want to see the polish lines. They are only visible in sunlight at certain angles. In normal lighting or inside you don't see them. I'm going to have all the lines removed by my friend since he's qualified to do it. I've seen his stainless firearms he has done so there won't be any lines when he's done with it.

[Snow]

Yes I don't want to see the polish lines. They are only visible in sunlight at certain angles. In normal lighting or inside you don't see them. I'm going to have all the lines removed by my friend since he's qualified to do it. I've seen his stainless firearms he has done so there won't be any lines when he's done with it.
This from the Cabot web site: "...With an almost mirror finish, the National Standard Deluxe is an investment-grade pistol polished by hand to a stunning 2 micron finish."

You could send it back to Cabot for a perfect finish.
Do you trust your friend more than Cabot or you had some troubles with their customer support?

As far as I know, some highly polished stainless steel pistols have a protective coating (e.g. chromium nitrite). Don't know if it's a good idea to (re)polish it.

[SilverMSS]

I can trust my friend on doing it and it will be free ) which makes me happy. He's going to be the one polishing up the silencer so I might as well have it all match and done by the same person.

[quickbiscuit]

Reviving a sleepy thread here but these Cabot pieces have gotten my attention. This is a "General Discussion" thread so I hope I'm ok by piggybacking.

Question to the OP: why, if unsatisfied with the finish on a $7500 pistol, did you not send the piece back to Cabot for them to back up their "2 micron mirror finish" claim?

And to Cabot Guns: why hasn't there been a response to the polishing marks on the OP's pistol?

The National Standard has the styling and features on a 1911 that really appeals to me, but I'm a bit concerned with purchasing a $5000+ pistol from a manufacturer that may or may not provide 100% customer satisfaction.

Also, to the OP: did the extended slide stop that you purchased to add to your NSD come from Cabot? If not, it seems sacrilegious to put a piece from another manufacturer on a pistol of this "caliber."

I'm not bashing here, just trying to get a feel for what to expect with Cabot. I, like others, appreciate a pistol that screams character and seems to have its own soul, but I can also appreciate the attempt at absolute perfection by Cabot, although I am a bit concerned as to why there was no apparent attempt to return this NSD in question to Cabot.