Who Isn't Going to Buy one?

[dakota1911]

Since Ruger has announced the SR1911 I have been shooting several times and have been amazed at the people who want one of these without seeing one. It seems like almost everyone. I can not think of any gun, pistol, rifle, or shotgun that has generated this much talk. A lot of people have not even gone to the Ruger website and looked at it. For a lot of people just the fact it is Ruger and they are making a 1911 and WOW it does not have something like a stupid Series 80 safety is enough.

I have a number of Ruger SA revolvers and even a lot of my revolver shooting buddies, who probably have not shot a 1911 since they got out of the military are thinking well maybe I should get a Ruger 1911; I love my (Blackhawk, Redhawk, MkII, Mini 14, No. 1, etc etc).

I am wondering if Ruger underestimated the demand for this pistol and that will not help those of us like me who would like to look at one and then maybe buy one as it seems like everybody else just wants to buy one, but somehow I think Ruger doing this in 2011 may be a better tribute to the 1911 than any special logos Colt puts on their guns.

[wichaka]

I will not be buying one.

[Rich-D]

I think Ruger doing this in 2011 may be a better tribute to the 1911 than any special logos Colt puts on their guns.

Dakota, I have several Rugers and I really appreciate them, I also like the new SR1911. You had me, up until the last line in your post. The fact is the greatest tribute to the 1911 is that Colt produced the first 1911 and 100 years later Colt is still making 1911's. The Special Roll Marked 100th Anniversary Colts will be valued many times over that of the clones in future decades

It would be much like saying, Harley Davidson's 100th Anniversary Edition will be eclipsed by Chrysler Corp coming out in the same year with a Harley clone!

[Rio Vista Slim]

The first .357 Magnum revolver I ever bought was a Ruger Security-Six, back in 1973. Since that time, I've owned a bunch of 10/22s, a M-77, a couple of Mini-14s, a .44 Magnum Super Blackhawk, and two of Ruger's polymer framed .45s (I forget the model designations :) ). While I don't currently own any Ruger products, I've always been impressed with the quality, strength, and reliability of Ruger firearms.

Being a "baby-boomer", I've witnessed the evolution of Sturm, Ruger and Company from its modest beginnings, to the firearms giant it is now. I think my peers will agree that since the passing of William Ruger, the company has introduced more new products than at any time during its history.

I facetiously commented, in a previous thread about the new SR1911, about whether the pistol would have a magazine disconnect, numerous etched warnings and labels on the pistol, as well as obtrusive loaded-chamber indicators. My comments were unfounded, in that the gun only has a small "Read the owners manual" on the underside of the dust cover. I made these snide remarks because of the numerous "safety" features and messages present on the Ruger SR9c, which I examined recently. The pistol fit my hand perfectly, and the reviews I've read and watched (courtesy of Hickok45) on YouTube have been mostly complimentary. I simply don't like all that superfluous "junk" added to a gun. It seems that the new SR1911 has none of this, and the exclusion of a firing pin safety is also appreciated.

While I wisely learned, a long time ago, to "never say never" about a lot of things, I'll probably give the SR1911 a little more time in the marketplace before I consider buying one. Thus far, however, the pistol looks like a winner!

[gottripletsNC]

If it sells for 699 like it says, I won't buy it. Also if it is stainless, I won't buy it.

[Frank]

I think the Ruger 1911 is a fine addition to the ranks of available m1911s. Ruger makes a good gun, and I have several.

I, however, will not be buying one because:

I already have plenty of 1911s.
I need another gun like I need pneumonia.
It won't be getting on the California "approved" roster.

DVC

[gottripletsNC]

I think the Ruger 1911 is a fine addition to the ranks of available m1911s. Ruger makes a good gun, and I have several.

I, however, will not be buying one because:

I already have plenty of 1911s.
I need another gun like I need pneumonia.
It won't be getting on the California "approved" roster.

DVC
Frank, I'm ashamed that you would ever say number 1 or number 2.

3 I can understand, but 1 and 2, are you mental?

[Frank]

...are you mental?Perhaps, but that's another story. :D :D

Anyway, I'm afraid I probably do have enough guns. I guess I don't have to actually own every gun I find interesting. :D :D :D

DVC

[boblenaere]

I need to take one apart before imparting any judgement. However I have no issues with series 80 pistols and after working with that system I can take one apart and put it back together in my sleep. Don't understand all the "poo-pooing" of the series 80 system. It works and I don't see all these purported failures from the few extra parts. And a good smith can develop a fine trigger with that system. I also like the series 70. I really don't like the idiot warning on this Ruger even if it is conveniently?? located on the underside of the dust cover. Please leave that [garbage] off of a gun. I have also seen a LOT of quality control issues in recent Ruger productions. Don't get all the ??excitement over a Ruger 1911. Bob

[DuckRyder]

I will not be buying one.

[Wile. E. C]

I would consider buying one especially If they offered a lightweight commander version. A turn off for some will probably be the cast frame but Ruger has a good track record with their investment casting process on their revolvers.

It looks tastefully done, They showed a lot of restraint keeping all the legalize off the most visible parts of the pistol.

[MikeChandler]

Being all American made at that price point, unless they cut some ridiculous corners, they've underpriced it and it will be dropped soon enough.

[Butch9630]

I'll get one -- just because -- I already have more 1911's then I "need" -- but not as many as I "want"

[wjkuleck]

I have one on order and picked up my loaner on the way to the NRA Meeting here. For those who demurr, I strongly suggest that you do not pick one up and feel of it. You may just decide to take it home.

it feels very much like a '60's Colt. It feels right. I just hope that when we've returned home and get into the guts of the review that it performs as well.

As for the price...don't forget Ruger owns the foundry and makes it all on CNC (with a few MIM parts). Thus, they've got more of a handle on cost than most.

Regards,

Walt

[boblenaere]

Walt: The guts of this pistol is what I am interested in seeing. Want to get a look at the quality of machining/tooling & fitment. Some Rugers I have looked at recently have not been finished and fit all that well. Bob

[wjkuleck]

Yep, we'll get into that in detail.

Regards,

Walt

[tekarra]

Gun show tomorrow, will have to look around and talk to some folks. :D

[kenhwind]

I'm not going to buy one.

[Joni Lynn]

I handled one today, actually I handled the three that were on display and the only thing I didn't like it that the checkered mainspring housing sticks out from the grip frame at the rear just enough that the checkering would be trying to eat my hand.
I liked the gun but not that one point. It's not going to be on my list of guns to buy until I see one cheaper than I can't resist since the mainspring housing would have to be replaced before I'd shoot it very much.
I do wish them the best on their sales though. The frame/slide and barrel fit seemed to be pretty good.

[MikeChandler]

I handled one today, actually I handled the three that were on display ...

Where did you find three? You are so lucky... I can't find one in Phoenix at all. If anybody knows were one is within 100 miles, please let me know!

[Joni Lynn]

Oops.............sorry. I was at the NRA convetion in Pittsburgh and that's where everything is on display.

[wjkuleck]

I handled one today, actually I handled the three that were on display and the only thing I didn't like it that the checkered mainspring housing sticks out from the grip frame at the rear just enough that the checkering would be trying to eat my hand.
I liked the gun but not that one point. It's not going to be on my list of guns to buy until I see one cheaper than I can't resist since the mainspring housing would have to be replaced before I'd shoot it very much.
I do wish them the best on their sales though. The frame/slide and barrel fit seemed to be pretty good.
Thanks for the comment on the MSH; I'll consider that in the review.

Nice to meet you, by the way!

Best regards,

Walt

[auto45]

Ruger is a good company IMO.

I hope they sell a "ton" of their 1911s, but I'm still stunned it doesn't have a FP safety. I would have lost that "bet".

Next, I hope they do a 22 1911. ;)

[wjkuleck]

Ruger is a good company IMO.

I hope they sell a "ton" of their 1911s, but I'm still stunned it doesn't have a FP safety. I would have lost that "bet".

Next, I hope they do a 22 1911. ;)
I suspect they think they've come close enough with the 22/45 RP :).

Regards,

Walt

[wolfe 21]

I will consider one once my LGS has them in stock, but I'm honestly considering holding out for a Loaded Springer (not stainless and has night sights; been around the block long enough to have the kinks worked out of it.) I honestly am not a fan of the two tone accessories. Looks like putting gold spoke dayton's on a '64 Impala; there is just something inherently unappealling about it. And I've never been a fan of stainless or nickel on anything but SAA revolvers. Still, if they are priced as I've heard they should be and are any kind of quality, I suppose I could live with it. Right now it's all about the $$$$.

James

[auto45]

I suspect they think they've come close enough with the 22/45 RP

You are probably right!!

[SMikeG]

Oops.............sorry. I was at the NRA convetion in Pittsburgh and that's where everything is on display.

JL,

If you don't mind and it's not too far out of your way can you ask them when this product gets into mass distribution? Seems like supplies are tight right now and it would be helpful to know when inventories become widely available. Can only find a few on gunbroker (full price and close to!) and nothing with the major internet sellers.

Thanks!

Mike

[Joni Lynn]

I was at the convention on Friday and won't be seeing any of them again.
From what I see on the net it would appeasr that Ruger is trying to get this one out to the buying public pretty quick.
You'll probably start seeing them show up within a few weeks, maybe a month.

When I asked them questions they were quite nice and easy to speak with and treated me well.
At others time with some people (not Ruger) I am often greeted with the attitude that I'm just a woman and couldn't possibly have anything of worth to contribute. It's was nice speaking to the Ruger representatives. I wish I had more time to spend with them but I was trying to cover the whole event in one day.

[wjkuleck]

I will contact the product manager and report back :).

Regards,

Walt

[SMikeG]

When I asked them questions they were quite nice and easy to speak with and treated me well.
At others time with some people (not Ruger) I am often greeted with the attitude that I'm just a woman and couldn't possibly have anything of worth to contribute. It's was nice speaking to the Ruger representatives. I wish I had more time to spend with them but I was tryign to cover the whole event in one day.

You know Ruger had reps at a local gun shop's anniversary event and they were awesome (not to mention the GP100 that I loved!) Very gracious and helpful, and addressed both myself and my wife as equals, which I appreciated. She shot the same gun and enjoyed it.

I do understand what you're saying - my wife loves shooting and we see this a lot. In her view there aren't enough women in the shooting sports (particularly in our area) and I agree with her. (Don't want to get OT but wanted to support your view of Ruger.)

I do intend to purchase their guns as they are well made, comfortable and, from what I've seen, reliable and well supported, not to mention made right here in the ol' USA!

Thanks!

Mike

[humanoid]

I will get one when they make a black one. No SS for me.

[bbqbubba]

Well can't really answer the original question. I'm interested in one. First on the list with my FFL when he gets one. They are still allocated as of now. I have to see and touch first before purchase.

[SMikeG]

I will get one when they make a black one. No SS for me.

Humanoid,

I would be interested in your objection to Stainless. Mind sharing?

[dakota1911]

Stainless, and Ruger has done this on its guns, can go from dull dark grey on some of its hunting revolvers to mirror polish on some of the SA Cowboy shooty guns. There are finishes that can be put on SS to make it black of course.

[wolfe 21]

Fondled the first one my LGS got today. Nice gun, good fit and finish, not sloppy and matte stainless is better than polished. wasn't impressed enough to order one though (I've got 6 various models already), mostly cause the price went up $20 bucks now that he's got one in the case.

James.

[.45 ACP nut]

Not right away. Maybe after a couple of years, when the bugs are worked out.

[irishScott]

If it had a rail I'd be all over it. Not a fan of SS finishes (just not my taste aesthetically), but I'd gladly get it duracoated.

[tnhawk]

I think the Ruger 1911 is a fine addition to the ranks of available m1911s. Ruger makes a good gun, and I have several.

I, however, will not be buying one because:

I already have plenty of 1911s.
I need another gun like I need pneumonia.
It won't be getting on the California "approved" roster.

DVC
I always need another 1911.
I had pneumonia when I was in the Army.
I approve anything California doesn't.

[cz223]

I surely don't need any more full sized 1911's.
Since when did need ever play into it.
It is a good looking gun and I want one. :eb:

[tnhawk]

I surely don't need any more full sized 1911's.
Since when did need ever play into it.
It is a good looking gun and I want one. :eb:

You can't have too many coonhounds or guns! :D

[Bozz]

This looks like a great gun for the money! Its on my list.

[Transman]

Have plenty of 1911's,but there it was! I didn't go into the store to buy one,didn't really think that he'd have one,was just killin time.I asked,and he pulled it from under the counter,and that was that!I got it for 660.00,if I'd waited the price would probly go down,but she's in the safe now.Very nice looking gun,seems to be finished better than my Remmington.Gonna take her to the range this weekend and try it out.I'll let ya know how it goes!

[Spyros]

Have plenty of 1911's,but there it was! I didn't go into the store to buy one,didn't really think that he'd have one,was just killin time.I asked,and he pulled it from under the counter,and that was that!I got it for 660.00,if I'd waited the price would probly go down,but she's in the safe now.Very nice looking gun,seems to be finished better than my Remmington.Gonna take her to the range this weekend and try it out.I'll let ya know how it goes!In the safe? What is it doing in the safe??
:fp:

[Cap]

I got to look at one yesterday
anyone near the Akron/Canton Ohio area can see one at Kame's Sports in North Canton ..(as of 3 oclock "yesterday" anyway)

external fit and finish was very good .
Price was $719



As of "right now" I'm not going to buy one .
in a year or so I very well might though

2 reasons why I don't "have" to have one "right now"
(besides being broke all the time :D )

1.) I'm 99.97% certain we'll see them well below $600 in a year or two.
(like $550 to $580 range common)
maybe much sooner than that , contingent on supply/demand

and 2.) I'll wait til they're in the hands of the "masses" for the "rest of the story".
Not to discredit any of the glowing reviews circulating now, cause I respect/trust many of them ..and Walt is at the top of that list
(and who doesn't trust/love Hickok45 ?)

Just that I know they're "gun guys" and are intimately familiar with pistols/shooting .

any small "bugs" likely won't reveal themselves in "their" hands, cause they know "how" to hold/shoot.
Put them in the hands of the "masses" and "hic-ups" that need refined/tuned may start to reveal themselves


I'm certainly interested in one though..just not enough that i have to have it "now"


..L.T.A.

[Hopkins]

Priced in the low $600 range Ruger's product is very attractive. I temper my acquisitive interest by disassembling and reassembling a Mark 2 target and a Ruger 77.

[ericokc]

Priced in the low $600 range Ruger's product is very attractive. I temper my acquisitive interest by disassembling and reassembling a Mark 2 target and a Ruger 77.

When I disassembled my Mark III for the first time and the manual recommended a rubber mallet, I knew it was going to be interesting.

If there comes a time I need a second 1911, I'll sure take a look at Ruger's offering.

[Hopkins]

If you can improve the trigger on that Mark 3 you will have learned a lot about gun design and Bill Ruger's legacy. I have.

[zx9rt1]

I was going to give it some more time before I bought one. However I just couldn't take it any more. I've had mine a couple of weeks now and couldn't bee happier. I'm hopeful that it will stay this way.

[BadaBing11]

I do not own any Ruger products, however, my brother in law buys Ruger almost exclusively. I think they are very well made at their price point.

I think the new Ruger is a great value, but there are many ( and unfortunately more costly 1911's) that I have on my list. Although the way the economy is going , the Ruger looks better every day:)


Best regards,

Jeff

[Fish Springs]

Who won't be buying one?

The guys I shoot Skeet with who have PT1911. These are the same folks who told me, "The Taurus is all you'll ever need." A Brazilian Browning, nope. :fp:

Bought a SR1911 with no regrets to keep my Kimber Royal Carry company.

[7790314]

Got so many 1911's, I don't think I need another. I am happy that Ruger jumped in. More competition is great for us the consumers as it drives prices down and quality up.
What would really be cool is if Ruger would come out with something new in an Auto loading caliber for the 1911 platform. If a major player would resurrect 10mm or 9x23 I'd support them with a purchase.

[wjkuleck]

9x19 would be close enough for me; 9x23 barrels aren't that hard to come by. Recently put a BarSto 9x23 in a .38 Super Commander, for example.

Regards,

Walt

[7790314]

9x19 would be close enough for me; 9x23 barrels aren't that hard to come by. Recently put a BarSto 9x23 in a .38 Super Commander, for example.
I can understand that. My point would also be that if a major player resurrected such cartridges, such cartridges might be less expensive and more common place. I will say that I was pleasantly surprised awhile back to see some 38 super in a Wal-Mart

[Joni Lynn]

I'd be very pleased if Ruger were to make a run of true left handed 1911's but I know that's not going to happen.

[Joe D]

I have two Kimber CST .45s in my safe. I don't see a Ruger replacing either of them. I might add the Ruger if they offered it in 9mm. OTOH it would be an addition to my 9mm Kimber and Spartan.

[nightfighter]

After having owned four Colt 1911's from the early 70's, and the last one a year ago, I will be looking forward to owning a 1911 that actually works from the factory! None of my Colts did.

[Rick McC.]

I won't be buying one.

Rick

[BlueSkyJaunte]

I most likely will, when the supply catches up with demand.

In the meantime I have a Colt Lightweight Commander to hunt down. :D

[venuto]

I will not be buying one.

Yep.. My feelings exactly

[Hopkins]

The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. My reasons for hesitation and skepticism about Ruger include their reluctance to sell trigger group parts for their products.

[1911Eagle]

I wasn't going to but found one last week at a local gun store and really liked it. After I get a chance to shoot it and make sure it is reliable, I will probably give it to my son who would like a 1911 but can't quite work one into his budget since his S&W 457 serves its purpose. There is also a good possibility I will continue my record of never getting rid of a firearm once acquired so will end up purchasing another for him.

[Amsdorf]

Please, everyone, do NOT buy one.

Maybe I'll get mine sooner.

[Jerry-R]

I'm not going to buy one.




I have two on order with Ordnance Outsellers.

[flea57]

I won't be buying one as well.

[dakota1911]

I walked into a gunstore I frequent this weekend and got a good laugh when I asked if they had one. Three other folk had come in before me and asked the same question. They have had a few and would put one on order, but I will wait till I stumble into one someday.

[lucky-gunner]

I was leaning towards not getting one or at least moving it to the long list of firearms I would like to get one day. That was until I got to shoot one. Now it's back on my short list and I'm hoping to pick one up by the end of the year.

[wjkuleck]

I was leaning towards not getting one or at least moving it to the long list of firearms I would like to get one day. That was until I got to shoot one. Now it's back on my short list and I'm hoping to pick one up by the end of the year.
I did advise those who did not wish to acquire an SR1911 that they should not pick one up, much less shoot one. They just feel right.

Regards,

Walt

[skipper49]

Walt, you couldn't be more right. My dealer called me almost two weeks ago to tell me that he had the SR1911. I was down at his place in a little while, and owned it a few minutes after picking it up. After a couple of range sessions with it, I am REALLY loving this pistol. Just as you say, it just "feels right".
Hope it holds up long term, and I'm betting it will.

Skip

[ctom3]

After growing up around a Remington Rand and putting a few hundred rounds through it, it has been retired for reasons of value. "The feel" is very important to me and is a major part of the decision on a replacement shooter. I cocked and dry fired a Remington R1 and put it down. I had a chance to do the same with an SR1911 last week and I am now waiting to get one at a decent price. The shop that had the one that I hefted wanted $730 for it. I can wait.

[archer360]

The local shop had one, $599.99. I got it.

I just stopped on for some 12 Gage shells. He said they sell out as soon as some come in. I guess I finally got lucky.

It is hard to pass up at that price.

[wjkuleck]

The local shop had one, $599.99. I got it.

I just stopped on for some 12 Gauge shells. He said they sell out as soon as some come in. I guess I finally got lucky.

It is hard to pass up at that price.
Congratulations!

Regards,

Walt

[B.East]

For all you people harping about buying a SR1911 SS pistol. Just paint it! what ever color you like. PROBLEM SOLVED. I paint my AR's and other weapons. What the real issue?

[wjkuleck]

For all you people harping about buying a SR1911 SS pistol. Just paint it! what ever color you like. PROBLEM SOLVED. I paint my AR's and other weapons. What the real issue?
I suspect that when a "blue" SR1911 is offered, it will still be SS, with a Black Oxide or some such finish :).

Regards,

Walt

[awmp]

good buy at a good price, you will have to post some pics and a range report

The local shop had one, $599.99. I got it.

I just stopped on for some 12 Gage shells. He said they sell out as soon as some come in. I guess I finally got lucky.

It is hard to pass up at that price.

[Tape]

not buying one.

[Jdubya101]

My LGS has been looking for me one for 3 weeks with no luck. I don't really need it...I just want it

[Art1]

maybe next year when, the get one in the 100th year frenzy, is over.

[majette]

not until they come out with a full size railed model in blue/black/cerakote, etc.

[Spyros]

I suspect that when a "blue" SR1911 is offered, it will still be SS, with a Black Oxide or some such finish :).That's what they do for their SR9 and SR40 pistols... but their 'blued' revolvers and rimfire semiautos are blued carbon steel, so I guess they could do whatever they want!

[Black Dog]

Ruger is very late to the 1911 clone party, with all that means, and I think a 5" stainless Govt. was not the best choice as a first gun, even in the very hot 1911 market. IMO before tooling up, there should have been more end user feedback sought before launching the product, and some recognition that the blued/black 4" & 3" guns are in high demand due to the ongoing increase in CC citizens.

At Rugers very good price point their only real competition is:

Colt ( very hard to find )

Kimber ( consistent QC issues with many of their new guns, really silly internal safety) but aggressive marketing and dealer discounts.

Springfield ( silly internal safety ) but very well made guns with good QC and support. The parked mil specs are a tough act to beat at the price, and clearly Springfield can`t make them fast enough, especially the Commander size.

If and when Ruger makes a blued carbon steel Govt. I will give it a close look, and a Commander blued gun is a buy for me.

[chrt396]

Perhaps, but that's another story. :D :D

Anyway, I'm afraid I probably do have enough guns. I guess I don't have to actually own every gun I find interesting. :D :D :D

DVC

That's MY problem. I even have the guys at the gun store telling me that I don't need another gun! Now THAT is bad!

[wjkuleck]

Who won't be buying one?

The guys I shoot Skeet with who have PT1911. These are the same folks who told me, "The Taurus is all you'll ever need." A Brazilian Browning, nope. :fp:

Bought a SR1911 with no regrets to keep my Kimber Royal Carry company.
Hmm...what other 1911s come from Brazil ;) ?

Egads,

Walt

[archer360]

good buy at a good price, you will have to post some pics and a range report

I finally got total the range. About 300 rounds of ball through the ruger and a few through my TRP for comparison. It ran flawless. I used the rugged mags and wilson 8 rounders. Pic

I would post some pics but I can't figure it out.

[Frank]

...I would post some pics but I can't figure it out.Complete instructions for posting photos can be found here (http://forum.m1911.org/faq.php?faq=a_few_words#faq_postingpictures).

DVC

[Amsdorf]

I'm not, not, going to buy one.

[LowAndToTheLeft]

The Ruger 1911 is on my list with Taurus, of 1911s to buy if all the other 1911s in the world disappear.

[erogers]

I love Ruger SA revolvers. I have a Blackhawk, a Super Blackhawk, and a Bearcat. I will not be buying a Ruger 1911, though.

[LowAndToTheLeft]

I guess I've never owned a Ruger revolver so I can't say if I like them or not. My brother ownes a P100 and it shoots nice. I once owned an SR9 and a P345 45ACP and I was not impressed enough by them to buy a Ruger 1911.

[Enriched]

My used 1911 S&W looks better internally than Ruger.

[dondavis3]

I hear very good things about them from those that own them.

I'd need to shoot one first.

:D

[LowAndToTheLeft]

My used 1911 S&W looks better internally than Ruger.

I can believe that. I was not at all happy with the fit and finish of my SR9 or my P345. My friend ordered a Ruger 1911 from impactfirearms.com so I will get the chance to inspect one, I don't think it'll hold a candle next to my Loaded or Range Officer.

[archer360]

I can believe that. I was not at all happy with the fit and finish of my SR9 or my P345. My friend ordered a Ruger 1911 from impactfirearms.com so I will get the chance to inspect one, I don't think it'll hold a candle next to my Loaded or Range Officer.


The fit and finish was much closer to my TRP than I expected.

[LowAndToTheLeft]

The fit and finish was much closer to my TRP than I expected.
You may be right and I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. If it's close to your TRP and operates the same then its one heck of a deal for that price. How's Ruger's customer service? Because I don't care if the gun is awsome if the company has crummy service. I know for a fact S.A. has amazing customer service.

It would be the first Ruger to ever impress me. We'll see when my buddy gets his.

[sysanalyst]

Considering the low availability issues, the high cost (selling at MSRP), the sub-par cast frame which has the integrated "cast into the frame" plunger tube, along with numerous other accuracy affecting issues, I'd not buy one. I could purchase an American Classic II and end up with a much better gun for much less. I suppose if you are really into the Ruger branding, it would be a good fit for you, but after holding one at the gun store and thinking about it for a while... I think $450 to $500 would be a fair price for this kind of quality. At the current market price of around $700+, I'd spend a little more and get a much better Kimber or Springfield.

[wjkuleck]

You may be right and I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. If it's close to your TRP and operates the same then its one heck of a deal for that price. How's Ruger's customer service? Because I don't care if the gun is awsome if the company has crummy service. I know for a fact S.A. has amazing customer service.

It would be the first Ruger to ever impress me. We'll see when my buddy gets his.
Ruger customer service is pretty darn good. Unfortunately, the products are such that they aren't very busy!

Regards,

Walt

[wjkuleck]

Considering the low availability issues, the high cost (selling at MSRP), the sub-par cast frame which has the integrated "cast into the frame" plunger tube, along with numerous other accuracy affecting issues, I'd not buy one. I could purchase an American Classic II and end up with a much better gun for much less. I suppose if you are really into the Ruger branding, it would be a good fit for you, but after holding one at the gun store and thinking about it for a while... I think $450 to $500 would be a fair price for this kind of quality. At the current market price of around $700+, I'd spend a little more and get a much better Kimber or Springfield.
Huh?

Current market price is 600 or less. Oh, and a lot of us really, really like the integral plunger tube, a "premium" option previously found only on high-end customs. I've had a plunger tube come loose once or twice over the years; it can tie up a gun super quick.

And...sub-par cast frame? I'd much rather a cast frame that was dimensionally faithful, than one forged from miraclaneum that was cattywumpus. It's the material, dimensions and heat treat that count, not the manufacturing process.

I have, or have had, them all...and nothing can touch the Ruger at a considerably higher price. A pistolsmith friend has declared the SR1911 the best base gun for his custom pistols on the market today; he used to build on S, Inc. guns ;).

One's mileage, of course, may vary.

http://www.1911TimeWarp.com/Pics/Ruger02.jpg

Regards, with sincere respect,

Walt

Walt

[dondavis3]

Walt - I agree - Ruger is a great American gun builder.

Their customer service is superb from all I hear on the Ruger forum.

I've had and still have several Rugers.

I shot SASS with one Ruger Vaquero in .45 LC = 1000's of rounds down range.

I have personally never had a reason to use their customer service

Just my .02

:D

[skipper49]

I've used Rugers customer service in the past and was way more than pleased. They go the extra mile, although as Walt said, you won't need them very often.
As to the SR1911, I've never bought more gun for $639 than I did with the Ruger. The fit and finish are superb, and IT WORKS ! What's not to like? Other "real" 1911 men that have handled and shot mine have been impressed. Some of those men are not easily impressed by a new gun.

Skip

[dondavis3]

Oh, I forgot to mention.

I was with my 1911 armorer today.

I showed him a used Kimber I bought / had him check it over. (all was good)

He said that if he's known I was looking for another 1911 he would have suggested I look at the Ruger.

He's extremely high on them.

He has shot one & really liked it.

:appld:

[sysanalyst]

Current market price is 600 or less.


I've not see one for anywhere near $600. My LGD has one on the shelf for $750. About the same price at gunbroker.com. Out of stock at most online gun retailers.


Oh, and a lot of us really, really like the integral plunger tube, a "premium" option previously found only on high-end customs.


I've pinched a plunger tube before, was nice to be able to replace it (considering the fact that Ruger guns don't have warranties).


I'd much rather a cast frame that was dimensionally faithful, than one forged from miraclaneum that was cattywumpus.


I'll take a forged frame over cast any day. The term "casting crack" is very common, you rarely if ever hear of a "forging crack". Ruger frames are not very tight with respect to the slide, and the fabled barrel bushings "machined from the same bar as the slide" appear to be somewhat "loose" from what I've seen at my LGD when comparing the SR1911 with the Kimber Custom Stainless II.


I have, or have had, them all...and nothing can touch the Ruger at a considerably higher price.


There are some very nice 1911's for around $900 - notably some of the low end Kimber's and Springfield's.

I'm also not a fan of the "foggy sand blasted stainless" finish of the SR1911. This gun looks rather rough to me. It seems a lot like the Taurus PT1911 without the frills. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash Ruger and the SR1911, I own several Ruger handguns; GP100, Super Redhawk, MKII, LC9, etc. Love them all, they are all fine guns, superb fit and finish (well, maybe not the LC9 on the finish part). I just don't think the SR1911 is really "all that"; should have been a bit more "polished" and "thought out". Just don't see the big differences between the Ruger and other $500 to $700 1911's.

That is why I'd not buy one for $700. For $500 or so, it would be a fair price, just still don't like the foggy finish, maybe a polished blue or park black would be nice.

FYI: Just received a reply back from Ruger today on a Black/Blue model and possibly a Commander version... Ruger replied:

"We are not aware of any plans at this time for any new products / shorter commander style 1911. I will pass your request through for consideration... "

Now that does not sound promising... :o


With kind regards,

Nick

[turtlereb4]

I went buy one at my LGS and the one they had was poorly machined near the dust cover of the frame. It had machining marks that were not finished. I left with a New Smith E-series instead.

[tekarra]

My local GS has just listed them for $760.

[sysanalyst]

My local GS has just listed them for $760.

$760 plus taxes and fees! :rolleyes:

Chip in a few more bucks for a Kimber or Springfield, or save a few greenbacks with an RIA or Metro. Or wait a few months until the hype wears down and get a lightly used SR1911 for around $500 which is a fair price.

[Spyros]

I'll take a forged frame over cast any day. The term "casting crack" is very common, you rarely if ever hear of a "forging crack".

-snip-

I own several Ruger handguns; GP100, Super Redhawk, MKII, LC9, etc.It doesn't bother you that, aside from the barrels and cylinders (revolvers) or slides/bolts (semi-autos), they are all cast?

Parts break mainly due to improper heat-treating or bad design. The first isn't really an issue - if anyone knows how to heat-treat castings, it's the firm that brought castings to the handgun market, and that IS Ruger.

Bad design is mostly about non-radiused inside corners... or too little material left to do a job. Many Colt Commander slides in the 70s came with lightening cuts, which led to cracks, so Colt gave up machining its (forged) slides this way. Interestingly, in the SR1911 review, we saw two slide stops - one from Ruger, the other from an un-named 1911 manufacturer... they had some strong similarities, but the Ruger part had a radiused inside corner where the cross-pin meets the lever, which is missing from the other part. The reviewer didn't name the origin of that part, but forum members owning early-production S&W 1911s did complain about (and provide pictures of) broken slide stops... these are/were MIM parts (as used by Springfield and Kimber, too), but EGW's George Smith is on record saying that even forged parts missing such critical details will break.

All things being equal, I'd prefer a forging over a casting, too. But I have a friend who owns an all-cast (barrel excluded) Para double-stack in .40S&W... his mainspring is 19lbs, he has a large-radius firing pin stop and his recoil spring is (deep breath) 9lbs. Standard rates are 23 and 18lbs respectively... the gun is used in IPSC and has around 10,000 rounds through it, all but the first few hundred fired in this configuration. He hasn't broken anything yet.

At the price you quote, an all-forged, base-model Springfield (with a two-piece barrel and cast barrel bushing) would be hard to ignore. But people have bought Rugers for less money than that.

[sysanalyst]

It doesn't bother you that, aside from the barrels and cylinders (revolvers) or slides/bolts (semi-autos), they are all cast?


Yes!

I see that others have had issues --> http://rugerforum.net/ruger-double-action/32992-catastrophic-failure-gp-100-s-b-ammunition.html

[wjkuleck]

Yes!

I see that others have had issues --> http://rugerforum.net/ruger-double-action/32992-catastrophic-failure-gp-100-s-b-ammunition.html
Despite the speculation that followed the OP in that thread, looking at this picture:

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/pfmann/CrackedCylinderopenwithroundstillin002.jpg

—convinces me without a doubt that the ammo was at fault. If it were originally a cylinder failure, the primer wouldn't be blown out; all the pressure would have gone out the side of the case.

Modern casting technology creates a part with near-perfect uniformity of grain structure and carbon distribution. In many applications a properly executed precision casting is stronger and more durable than a forging. That seems to hold true for M1911 frames, ergo, Caspian's lifetime warranty.

The old Packard ads used to say, "Ask the man who owns one." So far, the owners seem to be more than satisfied.

Regards,

Walt
PS: S&B is a reputable manufacturer, but stuff happens to the best.

[Spyros]

In many applications a properly executed precision casting is stronger and more durable than a forging.Fabrique Nationale, maker of the Hi-Power, seems pretty sure about this, too... :D

[1911Eagle]

...The old Packard ads used to say, "Ask the man who owns one." So far, the owners seem to be more than satisfied.
Unfortunately I do remember these adds. Sigh...

Fortunately, I did find a SR1911 and purchased it at a higher price of $729. It has been a great value and a pleasant surprise. It was probably an impulse buy because of finding one after following the excitement about it on this forum. I liked it on close inspection so my original intent was to play with it a while and give it to my son. After shooting it and handling it though, things have changed. It has become my primary defense gun. I added laser grips I purchased for another gun and I now keep it bedside. I have also begun to carry it when I can and have a better 5" holster on order. After about 500 rounds, it has never failed to go bang after pressing the trigger, regardless of magazine or ammo. If my son gets a SR1911, it won't be this one. Just my 2 cents worth.

[chfd098]

I want to see one, but can't find them and the dealers I spoke to say they haven't seen one either. The dealer I spoke with yesterday said he has one on order and the price will be $690 if they stay the same as they are now. He just has no idea when they are coming in.

Anybody have an idea where I can see one in the South Jersey area, I will even the river to see one even though I can't but it, I could get it shipped back to my FFL.

[LowAndToTheLeft]

my buddy ordered one from inpactguns.com a while back and it came in to his dealer yesterday. He fell in love with the 1911 while shooting my Loaded and R.O. I was kinda of curious to see if the SR1911 would br the first Ruger to impress me. He is very disapointed, and he likes Ruger revolvers. I haven't seen it yet or handeled it but as he yold me, and I quote " I wish I would have saved a little longer for a Springfield Loaded, or bought that mils-spec we were looking at".

I'm still curious to see how it performs, I guess his SR1911 has a sloppy slide to frame fit and it shoots everywhere but where you want it. He explained there were scratches, what I could only assume are tool, marks on the rear of the slide by the hammer. Not quite sure what he was trying to explaine.

He's not very experienced with handguns so I'll shoot this weekend and give you guys a report. I'm a Springfield and KImber fan but I will buy and talk-up any gun that looks nice and perfoms. I'll try hard to impartial.

[wjkuleck]

my buddy ordered one from inpactguns.com a while back and it came in to his dealer yesterday. He fell in love with the 1911 while shooting my Loaded and R.O. I was kinda of curious to see if the SR1911 would br the first Ruger to impress me. He is very disapointed, and he likes Ruger revolvers. I haven't seen it yet or handeled it but as he yold me, and I quote " I wish I would have saved a little longer for a Springfield Loaded, or bought that mils-spec we were looking at".

I'm still curious to see how it performs, I guess his SR1911 has a sloppy slide to frame fit and it shoots everywhere but where you want it. He explained there were scratches, what I could only assume are tool, marks on the rear of the slide by the hammer. Not quite sure what he was trying to explaine.

He's not very experienced with handguns so I'll shoot this weekend and give you guys a report. I'm a Springfield and KImber fan but I will buy and talk-up any gun that looks nice and perfoms. I'll try hard to impartial.
Get some pictures for us, OK? Something doesn't smell right here.

Regards,

Walt

[LowAndToTheLeft]

Get some pictures for us, OK? Something doesn't smell right here.

Regards,

Walt

Will Do Walt. I could'nt understand what he was trying to tell me. He doesn't know alot about guns and even less about 1911s. I'm wondering if the "the sloppy slide" was the barrel moving around when the slide is open.

I shot a Taurus 1911 a few weeks ago and the slide would move frome side to side when the battery was forward. I've never seen a slide that loose on any pistol and I have handled a few other Taurus 1911s.

Anyway I'll get a good look at it and give you guys a report. You know with any manufacturer there is the chance of getting a lemon. I had to send my Loaded back to S.A. 2 months after I bought it, they replace the trigger, the barrel, the barrel bushing, recut the feed ramp, and sent me a new recoil spring. I couldn't shoot better than a 5 ingruop at 15 yards off a rest before I sent it in and I hand constant FTF and FTE. Now the gun is amazing and operates perfectly.

[wjkuleck]

Will Do Walt. I could'nt understand what he was tringing to tell me. He doesn't know alot about guns and even less about 1911s. I'm wondering if the "the sloppy slide" is the barrel moving around when the slide is open.

I shot a Taurus 1911 a few weeks ago and the slide would move frome side to side when the battery was forward. I've never seen a slide that loose on any pistol and I have handled a few othe Taurus 1911s.

Anyway I'll get a good look at it and give you guys a report. You know with any manufacturer there is the chance of getting a lemon. I had to send my Loaded back to S.A. 2 months after I bought it, they replace the trigger, the barrel, the barrel bushing, recut the feed ramp, and sent me a new recoil spring. I couldn't shoot better than a 5 ingruop at 15 yards off a rest before I sent it in and I hand constant FTF and FTE. Now the gun is amazing and operates perfectly.
If there is a problem, as unusual as that would be, Ruger will make it right.

Come to think of it, when I was talking with a Ruger service department employee a week or two ago, he asserted that to that point they had had one (1) SR1911 return to the factory. Frankly, the pistol was a bit of a puzzlement, because it did not seem to exhibit the characteristics described in the complaint, but Ruger replaced it anyway.

Regards,

Walt

[Amsdorf]

Going on 90 days since I ordered mine. Still waiting.

[LowAndToTheLeft]

I had a chance to handle 2 different SR1911s yesterday, one belonged to my friend and one was in my local Gander Mountain. The one in Gander was priced at $759.00, seemed kinda steep for this pistol.

My friend was right about his slide being loose; the slide on the one in Gander was exactly the same. They weren’t horrible but I could move them from side to side with my hand or shake them and listen to the rattle. I’m not sure this is a bad thing, the tolerances were closer to an old Colt commander I was allowed to shoot, it was a little sloppy but man did that gun shoot. I have been told by a few different shop owners that “the closer the gun is to mil-spec and the original 1911 the looser the tolerances are”. I don’t know if this is true or not.

Anyhow back to the Ruger. The SR1911 I shot was very accurate at 10 and 15 yards, I would put it up against my Loaded or R.O. The trigger had a little creep but so does my Loaded and I can get used to it. Each pistol has different and unique characteristics that just take a little time to get used to. I’m not in love with the finish of the SR1911 but that’s just my personal taste and has bearing on the quality of the gun. The SR1911 is no safe queen but why buy a gun that you’re not going to use? Overall I would buy an SR1911 but not for $749.00; I paid just under $800 for my R.O.

My buddy said there were some scratches on the rear of the slide but I didn’t see any evidence of poor workmanship, he never brought it up again so I didn’t say anything. As for the accuracy of the SR1911; he just doesn’t know how to shoot and he has a horrible flinch we’re trying to work on. We shot 200 rounds of UMC 230gr FMJs without a single failure, that’s more than I can say for my first outings with my Loaded. I’ll probably buy one but not until the hipe wears off and the price drops a bit. I wouldn’t mind putting a few scratches in an SR1911 and that’s the type of gun I buy. Sorry if I rambled on a bit I just wanted to let you guy know that I was impressed by the SR1911 and I’m typically not a fan of Ruger firearms.

[sysanalyst]

A good $500 gun she is, a good $700+ gun she ain't.

[Spyros]

LowAndToTheLeft:

It sounds like the gun is accurate and reliable... so where does the looseness come into play?

[LowAndToTheLeft]

LowAndToTheLeft:

It sounds like the gun is accurate and reliable... so where does the looseness come into play?

Both pistols had about the same slide fit, there wasn't a huge gap but it wasn't snug like my Loaded and R.O. It didn't take any pressure at all to "jiggle the slide"; however, I didn't notice any bearing on the function of the gun. I'm far from an expert on any firearm, much less the 1911 platform, so I couldn't tell you why the slides are loose. I was told that mil-spec 1911s have some play in the slides but I never noticed that when I handeled the S.A. mil-specs or GI. Also it seems like the term "mil-spec" is tossed around as more of sales point than an actual standard, again I may be wrong on that point too.

From the view point of a novice shooter and a aspiring gunsmith this 1911 is a little overpriced but an excellent mid-grade pistol, I didn't notice any bad behavior, infact I would like to buy one a stick a few thousand rounds through it.

I'll post some pictures of the slide to frame fit for you guys.

[Rochefort46]

I won't be buying one.

[MountieFan16]

I have a Colt Gov 80 Series, in Stainless who's slide, when in battery, rattles when shook. Wilson Combat did a reliability job on it in the late '90's, and it didn't lose it's rattle. But, the old girl shoots better than I can see. 25 yards and 2 1/2 inches are pretty common when I do my job. Personally, if the pistol shoots well, I wouldn't get real excited. My Dad's WWII 1911 rattled too. I wouldn't accuse it of being super accurate (3 1/2 to 4" @ 25 yards), but, it's stone reliable and accurate enough for social work.

[skipper49]

My SR1911 is as tight as the proverbial tick. (And, I really love it)

Skip

[jrdavidson]

Going on 90 days since I ordered mine. Still waiting.

Ouch. That hurts. I'm 72 days in waiting on my order from ImpactGuns. Patience.Patience.Patience. :(

[1911Eagle]

Ouch. That hurts. I'm 72 days in waiting on my order from ImpactGuns. Patience.Patience.Patience. :(
Hang in there, jr. I too love my SR1911 and think you will find it worth the wait. Welcome to the forum!

[sysanalyst]

Ruger still facing supply issues with the SR1911... :nono: interesting. Springfield Loaded is about the same price and is an excellent 1911 that actually comes with a warranty. Can't say I'd want to buy an SR1911.

[nraliferddomega]

I won't be purchasing this model.
Just purchased a Smith and Wesson E series (#108482) for 775+ tax.
Great gun.

Might be interested in a Ruger when they produce a bobtail or
commander length model.

[RobfromME]

Good afternoon, all,

Well, I won't be purchasing one........until I can find one that is!! :)

Then, by all means I'll have one!

Warmest regards,
Rob

[Amsdorf]

I've been waiting 90+ days...mine still has not arrived.

[Colt45Va]

Ruger still facing supply issues with the SR1911... :nono: interesting. Springfield Loaded is about the same price and is an excellent 1911 that actually comes with a warranty. Can't say I'd want to buy an SR1911.

Nailed it!!!!! I love Ruger .22lr pistols,10/22's & revolvers of all flavors but detest their centerfire pistols, jury will stay out on the SR1911 till proven. S.A. has my $$$$$ great 1911's! Just saying.........

[whtsmoke]

its jsut in all you want, american made or foreign made.

[dakota1911]

Thought I should probably post back since I started the thread. Folk have asked me a bunch of questions. I have shot a few and they where very good. I do not not own one. I have bought other gun stuff even Ruger stuff like Ruger No. 1 rifles which is sort of off thread. My latest 1911 purchase is a Colt Colt Combat Commander made in the 1970s by the way. It is on layawake, so no pictures yet. Will buy the Ruger when I can get one.

[Rubydak]

This thread has gotten a bit long but was an interesting read none the less. I'm new around this forum but not new to the 1911. I started with the Colt 1911 the army issued me in 1976.

I spent an afternoon at the range with the SR1911 and can attest to its accuracy and handling. This pistol feels "right" in my hands. I'm buying one as soon as I can find one.

Nice forum, I like it here. :)