There should be something here.

[1911slabsides]

I only have one beater Remington Rand. Internally it is is good shape but It doesn't have much of the NON original finish. I like it a great deal. it works just like it was supposed to back when it was made in 1943. It has a collectors value probably only to me. Not much to write about but I hate to see the Remington Rand thread empty. I had to write something here.

[1911Tuner]

Howdy Slabsides,

You might be shocked to know what that old Rand would bring, if all parts
are correct. From a low of about 800 bucks to a high approaching 2,000.
Uh...Wanna sell it? :cool:

[1911slabsides]

Well it didn't start out "with me" as a total remington rand. It had a colt slide and it was nickle plated. Needless to say that the $800.00 theory is out the window. I located a Remington Rand slide, and have gotten rid of the nickle plating. Basically all it needs now is a reparkerizing the right grips and it will look pretty good. I haven't had it too long but it works just fine. It's got that fantastic rattle particularly with the magazine out and the hammer back. It's got the standard GI 27lb trigger pull. Okay it's more like 6 lbs. This is more of a build up project than anything. This Particular Remington Rand was made in late 1943 it has all the roll marks right where they are supposed to be. I traded a Springfield WW II Stainless for it. Some people might think that I got ripped off but I liked the deal and still do. I take it with me when I have to go to those nasty parts of town. I figure that it was good enough for France, Germany, South Africa, or the South Pacific, it's probably good enough for South Dallas. Part of me likes the looks of the stripped metal. It looks quite a bit like the Old 1911's we had back in the early 80's when I was in the service. There wasn't any finish to speak of on the 1911's we had in Germany.

[1911slabsides]

Okay folks. Lets not overload the Remington Rand section. After all There were only More Rands made During WW 2 than any other 1911 manufacturer. So I guess it's probably fitting that there is only one post here on one Remington Rand Beater. No chance that there may be more Rands out there. Just mine I guess. Besides we won that war so what does it matter? I guess one post is enough. :rolleyes:

[tarbaby]

OK... here goes... An Identified Remington Rand, type two, original finish, carried by Col. Grover B.Eaker in WW2. The Col. was in combat for 17 months. His uniforms and footlockers indicate that during his military career he served in the 3rd,5th,and12th armored. The only combat patch sewn on any of his uniforms is the 21st corp. Hows that for a start?

http://www.pixhost.com/pixt/tarbaby/rem.jpg

[1911slabsides]

Tarbaby, Thank you. Now there's two.

Good Story BTW. We are losing a lot of WW Two vets. I spend quite a bit of time down at the Dallas VA. Those Old gentlemen tell stories just as good as you just did. I like the picture. I also like the way the old fellas eyes light up when they tell me stories.

[1911slabsides]

Well I guess I should be careful about what I ask for. Cuz the Rands in the picures make mine look like S#17. Really pretty guns though guys. I'm pretty happy with mine. It gives me hope. Mine was a basket case when I got it and now after several weeks of work it's a........basket cast still but I shall not be afraid. Someday I will have a Remington Rand 1911 that makes people say, "damn thats a nice Rand" Thanks for the pics guys. I just love these old ghosts....................................................................................................................................................................................

[tarbaby]

Boy, that nice new pretty one of Scotts' makes mine look like a DAWG!

[1911slabsides]

Boy, that nice new pretty one of Scotts' makes mine look like a DAWG!

interesting!. I thought yours looked nice and mine looked like a dawg, I'll stop being critical of mine if you stop being critical or yours. I think yours is a dandy

[1911slabsides]

Condition only means something when you're buying or selling. The rest of the time, it's just about owning and preserving a piece of history. And regardless of condition, they're all survivors! :cool:

That certainly is a nice way to put it. I really am proud of mine. It isn't a show piece and given my skills it won't ever be. Seeing some of the pictures on this thread make me realize that even though mine would fall into a distant third in the PRETTY competition it is still a fine 1911 and it can clearly go quite a few more miles down the road.

I guess a realistic question is, Have you ever really seen a PRETTY USGI anything? Most of the stuff is neat, looks classic, reminds us of a time when things were more united, But Pretty? I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I recall one time back in 1983 when I was in the army in Germany it was extra cold, The First Sergeant told us he didn't want any of us licking any tanks. I didn't feel the need to go against his LAWFUL order, Besides I never did see a pretty tank.

[1911slabsides]

Well the old Rand is now parkerized. I got the Shooters Solution Kit today. and Knocked it out in a couple of hours. Worked Great and old "FrankenRand" looks nicer than I expected. All totaled I have spent about $500.00 on this pistol for the parkerizing and a few parts grips etc its looking good for a gun that is 63 years old. I even got the kitchen cleaned up. It really didn't make much of a mess. The smell was a bit strong but I opened the door and put a fan nearby and all went well. To date I have baked a 1911 and boiled a 1911, and people said that I would never do anything with my life :D

[rstrykert]

Explain more about the home parkerizing kit. If it can be done in a kitchen without ill effects it sounds really tempting. What's involved?

Oh, and pics of your end result would be nice too. :)

[1911slabsides]

Explain more about the home parkerizing kit. If it can be done in a kitchen without ill effects it sounds really tempting. What's involved?

Oh, and pics of your end result would be nice too. :)

Sorry I don't have picture posting ability, I can hardly work the computer :o

The stuff I got was from "Shooters Solutions" They are on the net. The kit comes with instructions "which I actually read :o) there is a degreaser, the parkerizing solution, and after treatment oil. Just degrease the parts really well, Mix the solution with distilled water and bring to a boil in a stainless pot, boil the parts in the solution. and spray the treatment on it when you get the color right. I was pretty nervious about it but it went really well. Oh I did an extra step and hid the stainless pot before my girlfriend came home :cool: It was much easier and came out much better than I expected.

[Johnny Peppers]

Salt E.,
Where do you get your information that Remington Rand 976207 is a duplicate serial number with Colt? The duplication of Colt serial numbers with Remington Rand ended at 958100. There were no duplication of serial numbers when 976207 was produced, and there was never a Colt 1911A1 produced with serial number 976207. SRS only provides additional data when there is a duplicate serial number. The data provided on Remington Rand 976207 is correct.
JP

[1911slabsides]

Salt E.

Just wondering. Does anybody on this sight do anything right?

[Johnny Peppers]

While browsing through the SRS 1911 records it can be noted that a large percentage of hits that actually date to WWII are Navy issue. This could be either much better record keeping or retention of records by the Navy, or a larger percentage of 1911A1's issued to the Navy than originally thought. Either way it shows actual WWII involvement.
Along these same lines if you haven't already heard, Frank Mallory of SRS just recently passed away after a long battle with cancer. We all owe him a debt of gratitude for his tireless work in digging out U.S. military small arms serial numbers and making them available to all of us.
JP

[Johnny Peppers]

Frank was the first to admit that his records did not give the history of the weapon, but mostly just a single event in the use of the weapon by the military. The WWII hits are much more important than a transfer notation of the weapon dating to the post WWII time frame.
His records do contain a wealth of information on DCM Sales weapons in the 1922 to 1942 time period. A DCM Sales verification letter of a 1903 Springfield National Match rifle adds considerable to it's value.

[ameizoso]

I just bought a 1944 Remington built M1911 A1. I bought two mags for it, but they are not ïndented" at the top like my pistol requires. Do you know how to describe such mags so that I can find some in the internet?
Thanks.

[1911slabsides]

I just bought a 1944 Remington built M1911 A1. I bought two mags for it, but they are not ïndented" at the top like my pistol requires. Do you know how to describe such mags so that I can find some in the internet?
Thanks.

I'm not sure if I know what the "indention" you are speaking of is. But there are mags on several of the auction sights. Unfortunately they get sort of pricy these days. Might want to try the Want to buy section on this sight.

Oh BTW glad to hear about your 44 Rand. Mines a 43. They sure are neat aren't they. Hope you have fun with it.

[ameizoso]

Thanks for the reply.
I shall. It is memories from long ago in Cambodia.

[1911slabsides]

Okay, I'm not the smartest man alive but did I miss something? I have an S stamped Pinned base Mag that came with mine, am I supposed to have an indent somewhere? Oh BTW thanks for your service in Cambodia, even though I heard from the US ARMY that we were never there. I bet you wish they had of told you sooner. :eek:

[OD*]

Scott, tarbaby, beautiful A1s, just beautiful.

[OD*]

Obviously of course, I'm sure I'll be echoing the same sentiments once you get around to posting any pictures of your Singers.

[OD*]

Wonderful doublespeak, so, this means you don't have anything more than hot air and a jealousy of Scott, bordering on psychotic? :)

[OD*]

especially those who are reticent to post pictures.

Such as yourself?

[John]

Gentlemen,

One might have various reasons for not posting pictures, I suppose it is not such a polite gesture to press him to do so.

Respect others please.

Thank you.

[Johnny Peppers]

In all fairness, Salt E. should be allowed to post just as many photos of his Singer(s) as Scott. If my count is correct I believe Scott has 100% more Singer photos posted than anyone else. We have been through talk the talk, now lets walk the walk.
Scott, would you hold off on posting any more Singer photos until Salt E. catches up? The forum is waiting in high expectation.

[Johnny Peppers]

I agree with you Salt E., Scott shouldn't have anything to be ashamed of and go ahead and post his Singer pictures although I won't press him to do so. In fact, if you assume he has something to be ashamed of for not posting his photos, what is your excuse? Bear in mind that I am not pressing you to post your photos, just wonder why you teased us and then never produced the photos? I'll just bet that even if Scott did give us a photo layout of his latest Singer, you still couldn't produce a picture with a serial number. [politely laughing]

[Johnny Peppers]

Oh I really hate that you feel that way. Sincerely I do, and what is this delte that I should avoid?

[Johnny Peppers]

I would never be so bold as to offer you suggestions on what you need for anger management. It is your problem and you will just have to deal with it. Drop me your e-mail address and if I come across something that looks like it would work for you I will politely make a suggestion. I find the forum very soothing thank you.

[rstrykert]

Salt E, I think it's time to stop playing innocent with all of us. You're clearly trying to push people's buttons here just to see what you can get away with. Why don't you go back to your own little sandbox where Gloria actually seems to feel sorry for you?

[1911slabsides]

Back to the Remington Rand 1911, Which is a dandy of a pistol IMHO. Considering that I am going to use mine as a shooter with just the standard 230 gr. FMJ's I was considering using the standard 16lb recoil spring. I had used 18.5's in my 1911's in the past but I don't want to beat the gun up in the other direction by having too much spring for the slides return to battery. What would be better a standard 16 or the 18.5 for a USGI Shooter?

[1911slabsides]

Grips from Simpson LTD came in today. I got the older type without the rings around the screws. They are dandy. They look new. Almost too new, but I'll manage. Fella's grab some of these grips before they run out.

[1911slabsides]

you might want to post this :)

Thank you for sharing a picture of a 1911, You may want to post the pictures on the singer thread :D .

[1911slabsides]

sure got quiet in here. I haven't seen a word written in days. I'm just itching to get back into the s#!7. Waiting on my next post, Every minute I sit without a post I get weaker while charlie gets stronger. :eek: I'll go take some meds and hope that things pick up in here. If they don't I'm going to have to start making things up. ;)

[John]

It looks as if people prefer the old forum than this one.

What can I say? I am sure, next time it goes down without warning, they'll flood this place. Until then, I enjoy the peace.

Rgds

[1911slabsides]

If it helps I don't see the other forum doing a lot of anything either. Maybe everybody has gone shooting. I'll bet that this place picks up during the winter because nobody wants to go outside.

[tarbaby]

Lots of BS from one person (or more?) didn't help either. I'm relatively new to this hobby, and I want no part of such idiocy. I guess the bad guy won. Maybe he's more important than everyone else. I bet a lot of folks have been standing by, watching, to see what a fella can get away with. Maybe thats why no one's posting. Or, maybe they just don't feel like trying to do good, only to be run down like some folks. My two cents.

Wally out.

[1911slabsides]

Tarbaby,

True, but I've got to remind myself that this place/site and the good people on it really helped me through some hard times lately, I had heart bypass surgery and I had a couple of setbacks, being able to come to this site really helped take my mind off some of the crapola that was going on. There were a few days there that I couldn't pull the slide back on my 1911 because I either didn't have the strength or it hurt too much. I can't really say right now which one it was but I felt pretty darn crappy. I think that crappy is the official medical term, if it isn't it should be. Non the less people managed to make me laugh (that hurt too BTW) but I was able to get my mind off the negative things and shoot the breeze about my passion that ugly old pistol. I'm not going to let a bone head or boneheads mess up a good thing for me any longer.

with that said, I'm itching to post a picture of my 43 Remington Rand but I can't seem to post pictures, (maybe I'm in trouble for writing the word "crapola" too much) apparently people don't realize that it is a medical term, I'll have to educate the moderators a little at a time. :eek: Heck, they are only moderators because they can be trusted, big deal ;) .

If I figure out or get permission to post pictures I'll post one of my brand new still wrapped in paper, never been shot, 1911 barrel stamped HS & P. I just got this barrel the other day, I have no idea of what I'm going to do with it but I've never had anything that is this old and new at the same time. So with all that said, lets get writing here, someone might be suffering from a severe case of "crapola" and we can help.

slabsides, out.....

[dsk]

It looks as if people prefer the old forum than this one.

What can I say? I am sure, next time it goes down without warning, they'll flood this place. Until then, I enjoy the peace.

Rgds

If it makes anybody feel better, there doesn't seem to be much activity on the other USGI-related boards either. I think maybe the bad guy has indeed won, because it seems nobody dares to share pictures of their guns or divulge info on what they own without the fear of getting bush-wacked. I do know at least three other collectors who have decided not to share pictures online anymore, which is a real shame.

[1911slabsides]

I'm going to have to admit that If I allow one goof ball to run me off, Then I'm to blame not the goof ball. That is nothing short of a pity.

Now for the bright side. I started this thread awhile back because I felt sort of bad not having anything here about Remington Rand 1911's. Since that first post, my ugly little 1911 'o many parts has been followed by a war of Singers, all sorts of squabbles and general hot tempers. I added up the parts I've used to put this Rand together and so far I'm running parts that have been located in 8 different states. Now that's about as American made as you can get. This little 1911 must be quite a gun. Mine is real I'm guessing one of those Singers wasn't. ;)

[dsk]

The Singers were all real, but somebody wanted you to think one of them wasn't. Anyway, you have every reason to be proud of your Remington Rand, and especially the fact that you rescued an old war hero from a very undignified existence.

[1911slabsides]

To tell you the truth I really saw a difference in one of the singers. On one of them the serial number was raised around the edges, that looked normal to me, one of the singers had what looked to have perfectly flat edges around the serial number, That seemed almost too right. that same singer seemed to have almost a double stamp on the top of the "S" on the slide. You've heard me say it before I ain't no expert but with all the fighting going on and considering how one person sounded like they had something to hide I started to wonder. As it got worse and worse I believe my own doubts more and more. I really have no valid basis to say one wasn't real. I probably shouldn't have said it but that's where my twisted mind went. You know the old saying "the squeaky wheel has the fake singer......." The truth is I just started getting lost in the cloud of crapola.

I guess my real question now is what is the purpose of someone shooting down another persons origional when they really know better. I kinda have a hint of an idea but could you clear that up for me Unless it opens a can of worms. I really don't get it unless it's a resentment over a lost deal or something like that, I also guess that considering singers in that condition are worth more to a collector than the actual dollar amount tensions can get high. Maybe I'm saying too much but it's not like I'm going to start a trend of getting people angry here.

[John]

Lots of BS from one person (or more?) didn't help either. I'm relatively new to this hobby, and I want no part of such idiocy. I guess the bad guy won. Maybe he's more important than everyone else. I bet a lot of folks have been standing by, watching, to see what a fella can get away with. Maybe thats why no one's posting. Or, maybe they just don't feel like trying to do good, only to be run down like some folks. My two cents.

Wally out. Tarbaby,

I'll have to answer that, since your writings sound as if the staff of the forum, let the bad guy win.

First of all, all members are equal, there is no preferential treatment here. So no one is more important than the other.

I just want to remind you, that this incident took place the first ten days the forum started. At that time, even though I was freaking busy trying to set up the forum, I spend quite a lot of time dealing with the troll, and so did dsk, the moderator of that particular forum. We both personally erased postings he made, and I personally tried to make him understand that he should respect the rules.

The problem with an open forum, is that even if you ban the offending member, right the moment he posts his first post, he can always re-subscribe under another name, in two minutes. So what do you gain? This is why I tried to reason with the person who was creating all that. Admitedly, it took me some time to figure out how to handle the issue, but there was no lack of moderation.

If you want my honnest opinion on why all this happened, here it is: The persons involved have a long-standing difference. Unfortunatelly, one of them cannot get over it. From what I hear, they've been having the same difference and the same conflict in other forums as well. So they brought this difference in this forum, the moment it opened up. I was not ready for this. And it took me some time to react, but as I said, even if we had banned Salt E the first day, it wouldn't stop. It's a personal thing, and from what I gathered it will not stop, until the person matures enough to get over it (which I am afraid will not happen any time soon).

What people fail to understand here, is that this is a brand new forum, which is run by rules. There are rules for both the members and the moderators, which I haven't seen anywhere else. Also, it has a Mission Statement, which describes what everyone can expect from this forum. Again something I haven't seen anywhere else.

If someone wants to stay here, he plays by the rules. If not, he is not welcome and actions will be taken. If actions are required though, then this is a "no one wins" situation, so I tried to avoid it as much as possible. You ban someone, he resubscribes, you ban him again, and this goes on an on and on. However, it is the only way to handle this situation. My mistake I didn't realize it sooner, I wouldn't be that relaxed next time.

Still, the troll wins, instead of us spending time helping people on the 1911, we are forced to spend time dealing with him.

I hope the above clarify my standing on this issue.

Rgds

[tarbaby]

I stuck my foot in my mouth. I didn't realize the troll was banned, or I wouldn't have said "I bet a lot of folks have been standing by, watching, to see what a fella can get away with". As far as who came out on top, Well, it takes a bigger man to take the high road, so hats off to everyone who managed to bite his lip and drive on. I like the forum, everyone here seems like good people. My unit is going to Iraq in a few weeks. I'll be hanging around 'till then. Hopefully after I get in-country I'll find some internet sevice, and post some pics from there. John, good luck controlling the troll population, and thanks for the new forum, I look forward to learning more from the real pros here.

Wally out.

[OD*]

tarbaby,

Godspeed to you sir.

Thank you for serving our country.

[1911slabsides]

I stuck my foot in my mouth. I didn't realize the troll was banned, or I wouldn't have said "I bet a lot of folks have been standing by, watching, to see what a fella can get away with". As far as who came out on top, Well, it takes a bigger man to take the high road, so hats off to everyone who managed to bite his lip and drive on. I like the forum, everyone here seems like good people. My unit is going to Iraq in a few weeks. I'll be hanging around 'till then. Hopefully after I get in-country I'll find some internet sevice, and post some pics from there. John, good luck controlling the troll population, and thanks for the new forum, I look forward to learning more from the real pros here.

Wally out.

You know tarbaby, Your right everyone here does seem like good people, It's good to know you guys.

[John]

I stuck my foot in my mouth. I didn't realize the troll was banned, or I wouldn't have said "I bet a lot of folks have been standing by, watching, to see what a fella can get away with". As far as who came out on top, Well, it takes a bigger man to take the high road, so hats off to everyone who managed to bite his lip and drive on. I like the forum, everyone here seems like good people. My unit is going to Iraq in a few weeks. I'll be hanging around 'till then. Hopefully after I get in-country I'll find some internet sevice, and post some pics from there. John, good luck controlling the troll population, and thanks for the new forum, I look forward to learning more from the real pros here.

Wally out.
Tarbaby,

No problem, I just thought it was not nice for all the moderators to be blamed for that situation.

May God be on your side in Iraq, I know it is not easy for you guys, so please be extra careful. When you 'll be flying over the Mediterranean, look down to see Greece. You may send me a mental wave, to say hello.

And for all the gentlemen who believe that the people here are nice, many thanks to all of you.

Rgds to all.