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Scott Gahimer
23rd July 2009, 03:09
I recently acquired a nice 1915 Colt M1911 from a dealer friend at a show. He told me he had some things back at the shop that went with the pistol. I was pretty impressed when I received those "things" yesterday UPS.

The entire rig is dated 1916. Johnny tells me it is an M1912 belt. The belt and pouch are both made by Mills. The holster is marked Rock Island Arsenal 1916 and T.C.C. on the back.

A quick Google search brought up a number of hits on Dr. Frank Whipple Snow. He was a 1902 Harvard Med School graduate and served with the British during WWI before the U.S. entered the war. Then he served with the A.E.F. in France. He also went back after WWI and served in Poland up until 1921.

I found this on a Harvard seb site about his military career. It reads just about like a DD form 214, listing assignments, dates of rank, and even awards and citations. Notice at the bottom...it mentions cited by Pershing.

http://books.google.com/books?id=I0c...0Snow&pg=PA887 (http://books.google.com/books?id=I0cQAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA887&ots=IsbZcSJq2e&dq=Frank%20Whipple%20Snow&pg=PA887)

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I found the A.E.F. Identity Card pretty cool. I've never seen one in person prior. Under his photo, it states the card was to be turned in upon relief of duty with the A.E.F. ...maybe that's why. The ID tags are aluminum...one as a Captain, the other as a LTC.

The little tag states Snow was issued the pistol in 1917 and served in France. It listed the fellow who inherited the rig from Snow back in the 1950's and the fellow who acquired it in 1975. The dealer did not specify who he received the rig from, but I will follow-up with some more questions now. I hope to be able to trace the recipient who inherited the rig in the 1950's as a relative...perhaps son-in-law or something like that...through my inquiry with the Historical Society. They told me they could provide a complete geneology on Snow, complete biography and even numerous newspaper articles and his obituary. So I am hopeful.

The Historical Society from Dr. Snow's hometown in MA has a boatload of information on him to provide for me. The fellow I spoke with said they were preparing a book on the city and Dr. Snow has an entire section of the book dedicated to him and his local service to the community. He brought the Red Cross to their community among other things.

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Scott Gahimer
23rd July 2009, 03:11
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Scott Gahimer
23rd July 2009, 03:12
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Scott Gahimer
23rd July 2009, 03:13
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John
23rd July 2009, 04:22
MAN WHAT A FIND!!!!!

Congrats Scott.

rekladan
23rd July 2009, 08:58
There are no words, congratulations!

For a pistol with such a long career, it doens't seem to have been shot much, or abused in any way! Not even a hint of an idiot mark on it!

Scott Gahimer
23rd July 2009, 13:44
No, I'd say the good doctor was nobody's idiot. Thanks.

doubs43
23rd July 2009, 14:03
Incredible find! The good doctor must not have carried it much, judging by the almost perfect finish. The whole outfit looks ready to be issued again.

That's the stuff of collector's dreams!

rekladan
23rd July 2009, 14:21
Can an exception be made on Scott, so he can post pictures at a higher resolution, say, 1600x1200? :D

Johnny Peppers
23rd July 2009, 14:48
For a pistol with such a long career, it doens't seem to have been shot much, or abused in any way! Not even a hint of an idiot mark on it!

Someone that graduated Harvard Medical School could hardly be called an idiot even if it had a scratch.
So much for the "been there, done that" look.

Canadian Colt Fan
23rd July 2009, 15:28
Great collection.A beautifully kept pistol. I will keep my fingers crossed to find one myself someday. I envy your latest addition.

tombstone
24th July 2009, 00:25
Oh, WOW! Thanks for sharing with us.

OD*
24th July 2009, 00:58
Unbelievable Scott, absolutely unbelievable.

What a treasure!

jazor
24th July 2009, 01:03
Thanks for sharing. one of best looking 1911 I have seen.

:D :D

rekladan
24th July 2009, 03:25
Someone that graduated Harvard Medical School could hardly be called an idiot even if it had a scratch.
So much for the "been there, done that" look.
I certainly agree, that fact occured to me as I was writing this, we need another word for such scratches, don't we?

And in my defense, it seems the gun was issued to others after the good doctor put it to good use...

TattooPaul
24th July 2009, 10:52
That is simply stunning! It is incredible how unmarked it is considering how much circulation it has had. Beautiful photos, too. Thanks for sharing.

Johnny Peppers
24th July 2009, 11:03
I certainly agree, that fact occured to me as I was writing this, we need another word for such scratches, don't we?

Without placing blame on anyone, why not just call it a take down lever scratch?
If someone has to be an idiot, should it be John Browning for his design which allows the frame to be easily scratched by reassembling the take down lever? Of course not. The scratch is just inherent with reassembling the pistol, and in no way affects it's function or reliability. Should we have expected the GI who took care of the pistol to be ever so careful and not put a scratch on it. Again, of course not.
The real idiots are the post military owners who try to beat the slide stop out from the right side, or pry it out with a screwdriver from the left side.
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Pappy
24th July 2009, 14:47
Wonderful Scott, absolutely wonderful...

This also begs the question; have you tried to contact Dr. Snow's direct descendants??

If I had such provenance, perhaps an agreement could be made where all concerned would be happy...

kenhwind
24th July 2009, 16:09
There are two kinds of 1911 owners:
Those that have scratched a 1911 or GM with the slide stop
and
Those that will, sooner or later.

Nice pistol Scott. The provenance is interesting too. thanks for sharing.

kenhwind
24th July 2009, 16:11
Didn't see Johnny's picture:
Those are bonifide idiot marks for sure.

rekladan
25th July 2009, 03:30
I certainly would agree that the term 'idiot' is wrong. If a soldier was keen enough to clean the pistol that might save his life, as often as possible, I certainly would not call the man an idiot if he scratches it once, twice or every time, for that matter.

Perhaps more recent civilian guns are another story...

TattooPaul
25th July 2009, 10:01
Troops had to strip, clean and reassemble their weapons blindfolded and timed. That is why this mark is so prevalent and pronounced on GI pistols.

Scott Gahimer
25th July 2009, 22:19
Wonderful Scott, absolutely wonderful...

This also begs the question; have you tried to contact Dr. Snow's direct descendants??

If I had such provenance, perhaps an agreement could be made where all concerned would be happy...

That's an interesting question.

As the owner, I'm the only one concerned...and I'm happy the rig went through a chain of custody which resulted in my purchasing it. What makes you think they are not happy? Somebody on their end didn't want it anymore.

I will thoroughly research Dr. Snow to learn what I can. If necessary, I will contact the family for information. However, based on what the Historical Society fellow told me, and what I already have found...I doubt there will be anything to gain by contacting descendants. In fact, contacting them might only cause pain or anger.

Either way, the rig has a permanent home right now.

Baldy
25th July 2009, 23:59
The luck of the Irish is smiling on you Scott. Hurry and buy some lotto tickets then you can buy more 1911's. Great fine and good luck with it. :appld:

Pappy
26th July 2009, 16:45
That's an interesting question.

As the owner, I'm the only one concerned...and I'm happy the rig went through a chain of custody which resulted in my purchasing it. What makes you think they are not happy? Somebody on their end didn't want it anymore.

I will thoroughly research Dr. Snow to learn what I can. If necessary, I will contact the family for information. However, based on what the Historical Society fellow told me, and what I already have found...I doubt there will be anything to gain by contacting descendants. In fact, contacting them might only cause pain or anger.

Either way, the rig has a permanent home right now.

Yes, somebody on their end might want it....and you make a very good point about causing pain or anger. Best not to let descendants know you have it...

My thoughts were/are that if he was my ancestor, I would pay a premium to obtain the collection. However, what they don't know, wouldn't hurt them..

Once again Scott, a fine collection...