A Question re: "reserved for receivers" 1911's

[Seeker_of_Blue]

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[RayP.]

I'm not up on all the various collectibles so I have a question about these pistols,Clawson states that Heart cuts began about #375000 (Apr.29-1918) so what are these,replacement frames with the ser#'s of the original frames they replaced or something else?

RayP.

[dsk]

Hi Ray,

Prior to 1918 Colt was required to ship pistols in sequential order. If one pistol was rejected, the entire batch was held up until a replacement pistol could be made and accepted. In order to prevent this sort of thing, Colt had unnumbered pistols made in advance, that could be stamped with the rejected pistol's serial number and added to the batch going out. These pistols are identified by having the S/N stamped after finish. Aside from that I don't know a whole lot more about them.

[RayP.]

in that all the little bits of changes and what ever that occured during the time of manufacture didn't mean a thing to anyone then but have created so much wonder so many years later,sure would like to know if there is a 80/90 year old file cabinet(cardboard/wood box) sitting in some old arsenal basement just full of shop notes,letters of authorizations,delivery receipts for materials (such as "Savage" slides) and the like,just some old place some one stuffed paperwork from around 1912/13 to 1945 or so,sure would be interesting reading.

RayP.

[dsk]

BTW you can read more info on these in Clawson's latest book.

[RayP.]

Replacement pistols on page 3 of Clawson's 1st. small book(90 pager). In short he states that a true replacement pistol will have all the assembler's stamps and everything else done in the usual manner with the one exception being that the ser# is applied after the finish there by breaking the finish. He states that 149 such replacement pistols are in Colt's ledgers but it is suspected that many more were produced. I would sure look them so called Lunch Box pistols over real close,true Lunch Box pistols won't have all the marks/stamps but excess replacement pistols will have finish and all the stamps except for the ser#.(at least that's the way I read it).

RayP.

[rstrykert]

"Salt E.",

Give it a rest. Nobody believes anything you say anyway.

[John]

Well enough cordial hellos and introductions, Red, and let's get back on the topic of replacement receivers. You seem to know, or think you know, or at least "believe" quite a lot about them, given their extreme rarity. I counted 3 "I believe's" in your post. Where are the references you have acquired all these beliefs from?

Red, so how's the new camera working what was it a Kodak digital? Weren't you planning to show off other views of your Singer S800403? Now's as good a time as any don't you think, or should I say, don't you "believe"? I hear that one was a real piece of work, so where's the pics? There's nothing to hide or be embarrassed about, after all it is a real Singer . . . . . . . . . isn't it, Red?
Who is Red? I see no one using that user name, participating in this thread.

Clarifications please?

Also, I would appreciate if your postings were a bit more polite. Using "I believe" shows a rare quality, understanding that one's knowledge is limited is not too common, at least that's what it looks like. Your comments are directly offending another member, I assume Scott. Please read the Forum Rules and respect them.

Thank you

[dsk]

Salt E.,

It seems you are on a personal crusade to slander people. This is a new forum with plenty of untapped raw potential. We have already attracted some of the more respected members of the collecting community to come and share their knowledge and experience. They deserve a place to openly discuss our hobby free from personal attacks of this nature. They, the owner of this site, and I also know you from the other forums and what you're doing. My suggestion is for you go take up your "crusade" elsewhere.

Regards,

DSK

[John]

Well enough cordial hellos and introductions, Red, and let's get back on the topic of replacement receivers. You seem to know, or think you know, or at least "believe" quite a lot about them, given their extreme rarity. I counted 3 "I believe's" in your post. Where are the references you have acquired all these beliefs from?

Red, so how's the new camera working what was it a Kodak digital? Weren't you planning to show off other views of your Singer S800403? Now's as good a time as any don't you think, or should I say, don't you "believe"? I hear that one was a real piece of work, so where's the pics? There's nothing to hide or be embarrassed about, after all it is a real Singer . . . . . . . . . isn't it, Red?
Salt E.

dsk expressed my exact feelings. If you have a problem with respecting the forum rules, please spend your time in other forums. Such attitude is not welcome here and never will.

[John]

Allright, allright John I behave myself from now on. Just need a reminder now and then. Great forum by the way and thank for letting me hang out here with the guys. :)
Everyone is welcome here, as long as the Forum Rules are respected and above all, the members respect each other.

Remember, tread others the way you would like they treat you.

Rgds

[John]

You are the commandante, John. But who keeps deleting my posts? Is it you or dsk? This is the problem happened at the 1911forum dsk deleting mine and other individual's posts. One reason why many people left there it was too heavily moderated and discourages posting.
Salt E.,

Your posts I saw in this thread, deserved to be deleted. I posted above, a notice saying so, so if dsk stepped in (in his moderator role) and deleted them, I am sorry to say that I fully agree with his actions.

As I said in my response to your PM, this forum is run with rules. Please spend some time reading them, there is a link to them, right under Mr. Browning's picture. These rules have to be respected by everyone and these are the rules the moderators are called to enforce. When you subscribed to this forum, you agreed to respect those rules, so if you (or anybody else) does not like his postings being deleted, all you have to do is to stick by the rules.

As a result, I certainly do not consider dsk's action as over-moderation, in this case.

Rgds

[Scott Gahimer]

Notice the absence of a final inspection on this "frames only" pistol. It's numbered 2123xx and was assembled with a Savage slide.
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