Idpa

[CDogg]

the only type of handgun for me hence the only type I will be competing with. with the right grips, the feel is perfect.

[Ditto_95]

Huh? Am I missing something?

[CDogg]

i was saying that for IDPA I will be using a 1911 since the 1911 is the only gun for me :D. Anybody shoot IDPA here by the way? what are your classifications?

[Hunter]

I have shot several action pistol matched with my Gold Cup Trophy and a few with my 1991A1.

[CDogg]

im shooting a classifier next saturday. im actually excited like a fat kid in a candy store :p

[Ranger325]

This is my second season in IDPA. I shoot CDP with my 1911 - SA Pro. Just a Marksman..........don't drop a lot of points, but kinda slow!! :o
Lots of fun!!

Regards,

[rduckwor]

There is nothing like a 1911 trigger for making some time when shooting.

I don't think I could ever get used to competing with a Da/Sa set up.

RMD

[CDogg]

There is nothing like a 1911 trigger for making some time when shooting.

I don't think I could ever get used to competing with a Da/Sa set up.

RMD

exactly how I feel

[Texas Pride]

I have just started shooting IDPA and I use my Kimbers.
The fastest guy at our range shoots a M&P 9mm The second fastest is a 1911 45acp. Sometimes the 1911 wins. Its about sight control and magizine changes. Start slow and be accurate and the speed will come with time. My problem at 51 is slow old eyes. I still have the desire and the will to do it but the eyes have got alot to do with seeing the sights and target. I have been trying different thing to improve my sight picture and my times have come down about 30%. Today i see the eye doc and hopefully will find more sight somehow...
Steve

[rduckwor]

I have just started shooting IDPA and I use my Kimbers.
The fastest guy at our range shoots a M&P 9mm The second fastest is a 1911 45acp. Sometimes the 1911 wins. Its about sight control and magizine changes. Start slow and be accurate and the speed will come with time. My problem at 51 is slow old eyes. I still have the desire and the will to do it but the eyes have got alot to do with seeing the sights and target. I have been trying different thing to improve my sight picture and my times have come down about 30%. Today i see the eye doc and hopefully will find more sight somehow...
Steve

Getting your vision corrected is a good step. Also, put a fiber optic front sight on that Kimber and rock and roll. I prefer red as our range has some foliage on the berms. The green gets lost in it.

The FO front made a huge difference is sight pick up and tracking for me. Hope you have a good time.

RMD

[colonative01]

I have shot IDPA with my SIG 229 in 40S&W, but I am in the process of purchasing a S&W 1911 to take to the competition. I loved the SIG, but since I used to compete in the service with a 1911, I can't wait to get out and try that when I get it!!
What a great time it is though. Good luck with your qualification on Saturday

[Texas Pride]

Allways have fun life is short! After Cancer at 48 I try to enjoy everyday!
The fifber optic front post is a real option for me.

[RickB]

I've been shooting IDPA on a regular basis since '01. I generally shoot 1911s if the division rules allow it. At last month's match I shot may Delta Elite in ESP, and may shoot it again next month. I was a "Five Gun Sharpshooter" until I got a match bump to Expert in CDP.

[CDogg]

\ Good luck with your qualification on Saturday

thanks. I cant wait. Im sure it will be awesome. Im gonna try to go for the expert. Guys at the range I was fast enough and accurate enough for it and its the matter of just shooting that way on saturday. Im also looking to get into a 3 gun competition. I see it as training and preparing myself for when the time comes I need it, I am prepared :eb:

I have a friend coming along to video my shoot and other people's. I will post it on youtube and will post a link here (if you're interested in seeing it)

[rduckwor]

I will post it on youtube and will post a link here (if you're interested in seeing it)


Of course we want to see it. Remember on the qualifier to slow down and get your hits on the long courses of fire. Here, accuracy is your friend.

Good Luck,

RMD

[rduckwor]

I have shot IDPA with my SIG 229 in 40S&W, but I am in the process of purchasing a S&W 1911 to take to the competition. I loved the SIG, but since I used to compete in the service with a 1911, I can't wait to get out and try that when I get it!!
What a great time it is though. Good luck with your qualification on Saturday

I predict that you will love shooting a 1911 in competition. S&W is a solid choice as well.

Good Luck,

RMD

[CDogg]

I had a few set backs today. All my shots were good but time consuming stuff happened such as forgetting to release safety fast enough, forgot to check gun before holstering after loading if the slide went back to battery and forgot to reload for next string lol! I still manage to get my noob self in marksman but I was aiming for higher. I think Im gonna wanna re shoot it and atleast move 1 up. The range master told me, if it hadnt been for my mishaps, my score woulda made me classify at sharpshooter. I was in the CDP. The vids are in youtube but Im actually embarassed to show it lol! I have inferiority complex lol! If you wanna see the vids, just pm me instead :D

[CDogg]

Of course we want to see it. Remember on the qualifier to slow down and get your hits on the long courses of fire. Here, accuracy is your friend.

Good Luck,

RMD

good advice by the way. I messed up the first 2 strings since I was point shooting but on the longer COF, my score was higher than everyone's since I actually aimed. I wasnt in control of my front sights on the first 2 strings :(

[rduckwor]

good advice by the way. I messed up the first 2 strings since I was point shooting but on the longer COF, my score was higher than everyone's since I actually aimed. I wasnt in control of my front sights on the first 2 strings :(

Well, my friend, we have all been there. It gets better and the whole process becomes more manageable with experience.

Sounds like you did fine. Remember, you are always your own worst critic.

[Chucky64]

I have been shooting IDPA for about 4 months now and It is surely a
challenge. I have always been a slow starter but I know that in the end,
I will be one of the best. Well after all of the competitions I have entered
the best I have placed is 10th out of 16. Not improving more has really
bothered me, until I realized that the majority of the guys beating me
every weekend have been shooting IDPA for 5 or more Years. I have been
shooting a 1911 and at the competitions I compete at it is a disadvantage, the
Springfield XD rules here, less magazine changes means faster times and
the 1911 is clearly at a disadvantage only holding 8+1 rounds. I know that
we are in different classifications but the bottom line is the 1911 cant
compete with the double stack magazines and the reload behind cover
rules of IDPA.

[CDogg]

chucky, my IDPA section I shoot in is called the CDP class. Meaning Custom Defense Pistol. This is a 45s only category and a maximum of 8 rounds +1. Im in no disadvantage as ive been shooting most of my life and some guys at the classifier that shot IDPA for a while, I got to outscore them. I had a few hicups and gun jams due to poor lubrication but my shots on targets were higher than most. I plan to reshoot again on June and get in the expert class

[lawboy]

Love IDPA! Just a lot of fun and a lot of good practice operating your equipment while solving an external problem.
Here I am making a mess of it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0gLyaaLut4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQznej5zaF8&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1VybRIsPkc&feature=channel

[CDogg]

heres my classifier with some minor mess ups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qspjdgHqYYU

[rduckwor]

Love IDPA! Just a lot of fun and a lot of good practice operating your equipment while solving an external problem.
Here I am making a mess of it!


Look like pretty good runs to me. I'm the one that usually makes a mess of things.

Between you and CDogg, I need to hide.

RMD

[CDogg]

how about some vids rduckwor? :)

[rduckwor]

Sadly, I have no video. I did shoot some video of OTHER guys at the AL state match, but no one took any of me.

Going to ATL to shoot with the GA guys this weekend. I'll try to remember the video camera and get someone to take a bit of me when I shoot.

RMD

[CDogg]

awesome. if it aint an IDPA match, just pretend to reload and do action moves to make it look good :eb: just kidding bud :D

[marinakorp]

Love IDPA .... with my match bump at nationals last year :bf: , I am classified as expert.

I have been shooting for 2 years, and since nat's was on PA... i thought what the hey... let's shoot a few matches

Sadly, due to an injury , I have to take this year off. I may be somewat competetive next season... we will see.

[CDogg]

state this year is gonna be at the club I shoot at. Im gonna try to get in to that. It will be on October

[lawboy]

The thing I have always loved most about shooting, any kind of shooting, is hitting targets with bullets. Speed also is fun, but only as it relates to hitting as fast as I can. If I am not hitting, I am not happy. IDPA, silhouette, steel plates, Bullseye, airpistol, benchrest .... does not matter. If I am not hitting what I want to hit, the fun quotient goes WAAAAAAAAAY down for me. Front sight, press!

[MAC702]

I shoot IDPA in CDP as well. The only thing I've done to my Kimber Custom Covert II is to remove the CT LaserGrips and install some matching Ergo Grips. I've shot two club matches in Tennessee while traveling and had a good time. I also shot and SO'd the 2009 NV State Championships. We have a local club match here in Las Vegas this Saturday. Drop on in!

[RRFlyer]

Been shooting IDPA for about a year and a half as well. Just shot my first USPSA match as well!

I set my pistol up exactly like this one and shoot it for both IDPA and USPSA
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/black04RX8/Trojan014.jpg

[CDogg]

heres a better video in HD of how I shot today. Zero jams this time. I ran the gun wet (oiled like crazy) so no problems like last time


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRB6LATjGKI

[terabyte]

Wife & I went to Pine City NY range for a teaser IDPA run, as my kids shoot their 4H & YHEC shotgun / rimfire / archery / muzzleloader there, wife says I spend enough on the 3 kids time for me to do instead of spectate..

I took 2 ser70 Gold Cups & a dirt cheap duty setup for leather to test the water - magtech ball as I had no time to reload - 8 shots to test fire the pistol & off we went, after missing the first 6 pie plates 18 shots (ugh) next string I calmed down & went smooth after that shooting 6 for 6 on the plates, The duty gear arrived the day of the shoot & the particular gold cup I never fired so all in all it was a good experience with untested stuff, good folks at the range made it easier.

Probably take a GCT SS for next month, my hand was bleeding pretty good & the lovely Colt Blue won't take to the abuse. Now if I can get a decent holster I will be in good shape along with some cast 200gr swc handloads.

I lube with Kendall Super Blue grease on all my 1911's M14's AR's, the stuff is fantastic, rem oil to keep the surface blue looking sharp.

no vid's this month, but next month I will snag some, even if I do poorly :o

[CDogg]

no vid's this month, but next month I will snag some, even if I do poorly :o
pls do. lets make this the official IDPA video thread. I got a match on July. Its gonna be on here ofcourse :D

[terabyte]

Great vids - I have yet to shoot a qualifier, having just rounded up a pistol & holster this week, I just could not bring myself to use that blued GC ser70 again.

Need to give this pistol a good going over it arrived today, replace the springs & a few "drop in" additions after thats done a nice used SS Trophy will show up at a good price :butthead:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3356/gcss600.jpg

[Texas Pride]

Shot last night! 104 degrees and a new record June and daily temp here in the Houston area. Our secound senerio was 3 targets 20 yards double tap mo0ve up to 10 yards and shoot 3 targets doubletap strong hand, then move up to about 7 yards and double tap 3 weak hand. I don't no what the heck i was doing. I only droped a couple of points on the first senerio when we hit this one I dropped 45 points :sleep: I guess I just thought I saw my front sight. I will be practicing my strong and weak shooting more. I have a new gun and am waiting for the fibre optic front sight to help with site retetion..
IDPA rocks! It is defferent every week and it makes you think a little. some of the other types of matches were all about the equipment..
Steve

[CDogg]

Great vids - I have yet to shoot a qualifier, having just rounded up a pistol & holster this week, I just could not bring myself to use that blued GC ser70 again.Need to give this pistol a good going over it arrived today, replace the springs & a few "drop in" additions after thats done a nice used SS Trophy will show up at a good price** http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3356/gcss600.jpgwhy is everybody getting new Colts and I cant find one :mad:* Im so envious! Where have all the colts gone that I cant find them. You're not really a die hard 1911 fan unless you have a colt right? This is why Im stressing over a new Colt :D* SO much Kimbers and Springers here but hard to find Colts. Im gonna go on a hunt this weekend and next for them :eb: Good catch on that terabyte and dont forget that video :p

[CDogg]

heres my july 12th match. sorry the video's audio got messed up. I finished 3rd in my division in CDP :-( :mad: video being edited at moment. will post back link in* abit
here it is. misc. stuff edited out for time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5G-DXXslj0&feature=channel_page

[lawboy]

Nice video, CDogg. Looks like you had a good match. What went wrong with the 1911 on the one stage?

[CDogg]

i usually clean and relube my gun after about 100 rounds. I didnt do that yesterday and long behold the failure to return to battery. At 1 point, shell was still in the chamber in which the extractor didnt grab thats why I just took out the mag and went for a new one as I fiddled with the gun. The last classifier, I went 120 rounds which included practice with no hicups. It might be time for me to get the gun dialed in by a good smith

[lawboy]

What are you using for ammo?

[CDogg]

reloads. it aint the ammo. its the gun :)

[lawboy]

Right. I am just interested in the exact load you are using, that's all. I am using 236-grain LRN bullets I cast myself, over 4.0grs of WST. Right now I am lighting it off with RP primers.

[CDogg]

as far as I know, my reloads are standard full on 230gr. rounds. (atleast this is what my reloader told me). Everytime I order, I just tell him to do it same stuff as last times. Bullets are FMJ copper plated by a company called extreme bullets out of nevada

[robertbank]

This spring I shot Classifiers in all three pistol divisions. I managed Sharpshooter in all three. Interestingly my best time was with my Custom Norinco in .45acp. Best time ever shooting the Classifier actually, go figure.

I shoot SSP in competition with a CZ Shadow only because I can't bring my Norinco into the US for competitions. Thank-you Mr. Clinton!

Take Care

Bob

[CDogg]

robert, if you do wanna shoot IDPA here in my area or my home range, I will happily lend you a gun. :) Dont really need to bring your own. You're a mentor here, I think its ok to loan you a gun to use for a day

[robertbank]

CDogg if I get down your way I will take you up on it. One day I would like to take a West Coast swing and take in Oregon, and California State Championships. I make it down to Washington every year.

When I am not at home I am the AC for IDPA in Canada.

Take Care

Bob

[CDogg]

anytime. let me know :o

[VR4]

CDogg if I get down your way I will take you up on it. One day I would like to take a West Coast swing and take in Oregon, and California State Championships. I make it down to Washington every year.

When I am not at home I am the AC for IDPA in Canada.

Take Care

Bob

So I should see you at the WA state match next month? I will be shooting in ESP but it would be cool to meet you. I'll have a tan Geissle hat and shirt on. Hope to see you there.

[robertbank]

VR4 you will definitly see me as I will be one of the CSO's on one of the stages. Last year I worked Stages 1 & 2.

Take Care

Bob

[CDogg]

California state match is coming to my home range in October but Im not rsure just yet if I can shoot it or not since my dad is not doing too good at the moment and cant predict where he would be or how he would be by then. He is dying of cancer so pretty much my life and scheduling revolves around that now. I hope he gets better then. I do wanna shoot the state. AFter all this is ovedr, Im gonna fly myself to other states and shoot IDPA where ever :)

[robertbank]

I understand the California State Match is one of the best run matchs going. If you do decide to shoot other matches the drive up to the Washington Shoot is a must. Great bunch of guys up there and Rick, Sandy & Co do a first class job.

Perhaps next year. Wish your father well, he shall be in our family prayers.

Take Care

Bob

[CDogg]

thanks bud. washington wont be that big a deal for me to go to. Im even gonna go to virginia since my best friend moved there and now shoots 3 guns comp up there

[VR4]

VR4 you will definitly see me as I will be one of the CSO's on one of the stages. Last year I worked Stages 1 & 2.

Take Care

Bob

It was good to meet you BOB. I had a great time and I won 1st in ESP MM so it was a great first State match for me. Well hope the drive back went okay.

Victor

[CDogg]

heres my video yesterday at an IDPA postal match. Im not sure where I stand over all but Im sure I was best at CDP division. WIll find out tomorrow the final result. Heres my new SA loaded in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaO2TTFDF3I

[ptf18]

CDogg: Good video. I've attended several matches but have yet to shoot in any. Are you using your slide release during your reloads or do you overhand rack the slide? If its one way or the other is it because thats the way you learned to reload or is there another reason?

What loads are you shooting? Your equiptment seemed to work well? What are you using for a holster and mag pouches?

[CDogg]

Im not using the slide release. I overhand rack the slide. Using the slide release helps nick the slide stop notch which will eventually start to fail if the metal gets deformed abit and wont catch the slide anymore.
My loads are standard full powered 230 gr. FMJ. reloads done by a guy I always buy my stuff from at sacramento using Extreme Bullets from Nevada. Im doing this for real life training as well aside from the gaming aspect incase I may need it someday.
Equipments I use are just simple. Bianchi holster and the mag pouch I use is just the stuff that came with my milspec. I dont even get to practice anymore in between matches Im also caring for my dad on free days which has cancer

[rdhrt]

thanks for sharing the video.I shoot IPSC and am thinking about IDPA also.I also shoot a Springfield mostly,but have put the Colt Commander thru the course,it is fun!!!

[lawboy]

CDOGG, good video of Winton. I see your 1911 was running well for you. Good! I had quite a few feeding issues on the last round this last match due to short OAL on the rounds, at least for this gun.

I have not shot at Winton yet but it is on my to do list.

I did make the Gridley match Sunday. It was my first match there. Interesting set up and good folks. A lot of Sac. Valley guys were there. I posted some videos on my YouTube Accoount, behightower. The Gridley match playlist is NVSA -- 8-16-2009 if you are interested. They had a couple stages I thought were really good, stages 2 and 4.

[CDogg]

CDOGG, good video of Winton. I see your 1911 was running well for you. .

it has to run well. Its a new gun to me :D I will check out your vids also.
By the way I finished 5th overall. Even better than some other division winners. Ofcourse theres only 2 of us in CDP so i chose to compete with myself and against other divisions :eb:

[CDogg]

thanks for sharing the video.I shoot IPSC and am thinking about IDPA also.I also shoot a Springfield mostly,but have put the Colt Commander thru the course,it is fun!!!

stop the pondering bud and just go for it. Its different in concept than IPSC. Im also wanting to shoot USPSA some time but havent found time yet. I will let the yeear end first and just do all IDPA matches and then just start USPSA by next year

[lawboy]

Good job on the placement and good philosphy on competition. I the same way. I am out there for my own goals which have nothing to do with going fast. I don't look at times or at other people's scores. I look extremely carefully at the placement of every shot I fire, and I study everyone's gun handling techniques and gun/environment interface techniques extremely closely, hence the video taping of so many shooters at every match. All depends on what is important to you!

[jraney]

so you all do not compete to win? save the money and just go practice at the range.

[lawboy]

I compete to win. I don't compete to go faster than other people. It depends on what you consider a win. If you consider going faster than other people a win, then that what you have to do to win. I consider developing skill sets that I value and desire to possess a win. When I get better at those skill sets, win again. When I discovery new skill sets I did not even know were out there to possess and develop, win! How my winning got inextricably tied up with how others are doing and what they are doing is kind of a mystery to me. ymmv and, apparently, it does.

[jraney]

what? it is a competition, meaning contest between 2 or more folks, is speed not counted in the score. i mean i understand you want to learn skills but you can do the same skills in a contest free atmosphere.

[lawboy]

You are right. If there was a place where I had access to the same type of scenarios, put together by the same knowledgeable people, and officiated, and organized, etc., like an IDPA match, then I could learn just as well without competition. So far, I have not found any such place. The only places where there are the facilities, etc., are competitions. I do not have the funds to go to gunsite ranch three times a month, but I can pony up 15 per match plus travel and lunch 3 times a month, so that is what I do. Again, YMMV.

[Frank]

what? it is a competition, meaning contest between 2 or more folks, is speed not counted in the score. i mean i understand you want to learn skills but you can do the same skills in a contest free atmosphere....I could learn just as well without competition... First, it is competition, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's a waste of time if you don't finish in first place. Since it is competition, and therefore it is scored, you have the opportunity to measure your performance, both in the abstract and compared with others. That helps you identify what you need to work on. It also helps you gauge whether or not you're actually improving.

Second, you really can't learn the same skills in a contest free atmosphere. The important thing about competition is that it adds an element of stress -- both the stress associated with competing and trying to do better than other competitors and the stress associated with doing it all while others are watching. It's one thing to practice at the range, without the stress of competition. It's another to develop your skills so that you can preform them well, consistently, on demand and under stress.

Basic practice has its place, but competition forces you to push yourself and thus helps hone your skills.

DVC

[lawboy]

I suppose you are right about competition. I think my point is that the competition is really in your head. It is purely a state of mind, it has nothing to do with anything anyone else is doing. If you are not valuing competing and are not competing then it is not competition. I am not there to compete with others so I dont' feel the stress you are talking about. I don't even look at my times or anyone elses times and I feel zero stress because people are watching, I simply don't care about those things. People are there doing what they are doing, I am there doing what I am doing. To me, that is it. I value hitting what I point the gun at. I do that, A LOT. I get better as I improve my technique. That is why I am there. Others are there to compete, they are at a competition. I am there to train. I am at a training. That is just how I move through it. YMMV.

[CDogg]

so you all do not compete to win? save the money and just go practice at the range.

I DO. i actually try to make sure the next guy's score will seem like a whole stage away from mine. (which was the case on this last comp) scores are at the safetyfirstshooting.org site. I finished 5th overall

Frank, thanks for clearing things up for the one who dont seem to get the concept of competing :appld:

[wichaka]

Using your rig in a competition setting will let you know if your gear is up to the task, and if it's placed right on the belt.

Once there's a time placed on it, it's a game....but one can learn some valuable things that carry over onto the street if you're attentive enough.

[jraney]

so you can't do the same drills somewhere for free that you do in competition? really, i can shoot paper targets for free and practice drawing my weapon for free and i can even lay on the ground and shoot my gun for free, going through the motions i suppose could be called competing but then again you might finish 5th or something.

[Frank]

so you can't do the same drills somewhere for free that you do in competition? really, i can shoot paper targets for free and practice drawing my weapon for free and i can even lay on the ground and shoot my gun for free, ...Doing it all by yourself "for free" is still not the same as competing and doesn't provide an equivalent learning opportunity.

[1] The competitive environment helps push one to perform at or at least near his limit, and perhaps even push his personal "envelope."

[2] The third party timing and scoring, and recording of scores, helps one evaluate more objectively his performance and monitor his performance over time, especially in comparison with others.

[3] Competition adds stress.

[4] And supervision by the range officer adds a external discipline and promotes the development of gun handling skill -- particularly muzzle awareness and trigger finger discipline. (In IDPA and USPSA competition, violation of safe gun handling rules results in immediate disqualification.)

DVC

[EdotKuo]

The other thing to consider is would you set up an elaborate COF for just practicing by yourself? And if not, are you really getting the benefit of "practicing" shooting in awkward positions, around barriers, through windows or doors...

Besides, shooting with others is more fun. Could shoot by myself, and the outcome would be the same, but part of matches is the camaraderie. If it costs me $10 per match and 2 hrs of set-up / take down time, so be it. I'm spending my day with good people.

[Hawkmoon]

so you can't do the same drills somewhere for free that you do in competition? really, i can shoot paper targets for free and practice drawing my weapon for free and i can even lay on the ground and shoot my gun for free, going through the motions i suppose could be called competing but then again you might finish 5th or something.
Where I live you can't. I don't know of a single range in the entire state (and I acknowledge that I do not ALL the ranges in the state) that allows shooters to practice drawing and firing. All the ranges I know of have safety officers and rules prohibiting such activities. The only time/place I get to practice drawing and firing is in a competition.

[VR4]

Doing it all by yourself "for free" is still not the same as competing and doesn't provide an equivalent learning opportunity.

[1] The competitive environment helps push one to perform at or at least near his limit, and perhaps even push his personal "envelope."

[2] The third party timing and scoring, and recording of scores, helps one evaluate more objectively his performance and monitor his performance over time, especially in comparison with others.

[3] Competition adds stress.

[4] And supervision by the range officer adds a external discipline and promotes the development of gun handling skill -- particularly muzzle awareness and trigger finger discipline. (In IDPA and USPSA competition, violation of safe gun handling rules results in immediate disqualification.)

DVC

Well said. Even though my range let's us practice drawing and such what Frank said is point on.

[CDogg]

thank heavens this thread is back to normal again ;)
My 2 cents again. Practicing things in competition is better in a sense that you learn to push urself to near ur limits as frank said. And to me, theres that sense of satisfaction when I finish amongst the top. It shows either your improving or getting worst

[CDogg]

finally got what Ive been wanting. No video this time but I finished first in CDP with the highest score than all others in it between marksman and sharpshooter class. 8 of us in total but I just came in 2nd to the division champion. Just sharing :)

[VR4]

I'm still new to all this but can you explain this DV please. Was this a major match? Do you get bumped up in class? Thanks for any info.

[PT1911 IDPA]

I have been shooting IDPA for about 4 months now and It is surely a
challenge. I have always been a slow starter but I know that in the end,
I will be one of the best. Well after all of the competitions I have entered
the best I have placed is 10th out of 16. Not improving more has really
bothered me, until I realized that the majority of the guys beating me
every weekend have been shooting IDPA for 5 or more Years. I have been
shooting a 1911 and at the competitions I compete at it is a disadvantage, the
Springfield XD rules here, less magazine changes means faster times and
the 1911 is clearly at a disadvantage only holding 8+1 rounds. I know that
we are in different classifications but the bottom line is the 1911 cant
compete with the double stack magazines and the reload behind cover
rules of IDPA.

I've been shooting IDAP for about a year now, mostly with a Taurus PT1911 . I'll occasionally try a different gun to shoot ESP or SSP, even tried the SSR thing. Unless you shoot a lot of "make up" shots or get an 18 rnd stage (the max allowed in IDPA) CDP does not have to give up an extra reload to ESP or SSP. The big difference in managing the bigger recoil as compared to 9mm. It makes it more challenging to stay / get back on target.

Recoil is a big reason it is a different division and the capacity limit (8+1) is to keep hi-cap guns from getting an occasional advantage on longer COF's.

You can shoot a hi-cap 45ACP in ESP or SSP with factory / major PF ammo, but I've never seen a serious competitor do it. You rarely see 40S&W in ESP or SSP shooting factory loads (but I've done it on a lark) because the recoil is so much more then 9mm. For ESP and SSP I do see 45 ACP and 40S&W down loaded to minor PF which has the same or lighter recoil then a 115gr 9mm load. I've done that with a high-cap 45 because the 45 makes such a bigger hole that you can spot misses or poor shots much quicker and take a makeup shoot if needed. IMHO, CDP is all about full power 45ACP recoil and allowing 1911's to play.

But I (and I assume most of us) compare all the scores across divisions and classifications, and it always brings a smile to beat ESP & SSP in the same or higher classifications!
:lm:

[RRFlyer]

sometimes cdp does require an extra reload. Effort is made to make it friendly and even between all divisions.

However saying CDP cant win is bogus.

I won a shoot last weekend shooting CDP and beat several Expert level guys in ESP shooting double stack 9mm's.

[CDogg]

I'm still new to all this but can you explain this DV please. Was this a major match? Do you get bumped up in class? Thanks for any info.
no bump. only in state matches :p

[CDogg]

here it is at last. what Ive been after for a long time
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/ball5out/my%20toys/idpaplaque.jpg

[robertbank]

no bump. only in state matches :p

Actually only in "Sanctioned Matches".

National, State, Provincial and Regional Matches must be sanctioned by rule.

Take Care

Bob

[CDogg]

I stand corrected :o

[EdotKuo]

I finally got around to giving IDPA a try. I like! Not sure why it took me so long to shoot a match, but then again I said the same thing about USPSA when I got hooked on that.

Since I mainly compete in USPSA's Single Stack Division, I figured CDP would be the best fit for the gun and gear I already had set up for games. The only thing I'm not sure of is whether or not my Trojan is under 41 oz. I know it's under 43 ounces, but I don't know by how much. Maybe I ought to get my hands on a scale and make sure since it's got some add-ons...

At any rate, other than trying to get my head around reload with retention or tactical reloads vs. the USPSA way of jettisoning that partial mag while moving, it was a good time. The shooting and moving was pretty similar to what I am used to, and I liked that I had to think more while shooting the stage (cover, tactical priority, and didn't really have a chance to do a dry run thru the stage ahead of time....).

I ran the clip board most of the time when I wasn't shooting, and spelled the SO on the timer when it was his turn to shoot. That's what helped me learn how USPSA is scored and other rules, and it helped here as well to figure out the scoring and when the procedurals apply.

I guess the thing I liked the most about IDPA, other than the newness of it, the rules require you to do certain things based on the arrangement of the targets, which you have to recognize when you see them -like the requirement for tactical priority, or shooting on the move if there is no cover. I'm not knocking USPSA (that's still my first true love), just saying that I also liked what I saw in IDPA.

I may have to keep doing this... the only problem is it conflicts with a USPSA match at another club... ah, choices, choices.

Going to go practice my reloads with retention now....

[robertbank]

Don't forget to practice the Tac Reload as well. The Tac Reload comes in handy and once mastered can be faster in some situations. Aaron runs a great IDPA club at the Parma Rod & Gun Club in Idaho. The IDPA State Championship is held there. That is a match you don't want to miss.

Take Care

Bob

[EdotKuo]

Bob,
Thanks! I was actually practicing both reloads this morning... I agree, except for the potential fumble-factor of juggling two mags in one hand, the tactical reload can be a tad quicker. I was practicing with my shot timer set on a par time, and it got to the point where I was a touch faster on the tac reload than I was the reload w/ retention. Go figure.

Parma is where I was last Saturday for my first match. I go out there periodically for USPSA matches, and have plans to attend a man-on-man 3 gun match this coming Friday in Parma. They expanded the facility prior to hosting Area 1 this summer, and I want to say they added half a dozen new pistol pits. I asked Aaron if the ID IDPA State Championships was going to be held in Parma again, and he was guessing it would be.

The nice thing about my area is there are three clubs within 45 mins of where I live offering USPSA, one club with IDPA with another one hopefully starting up mid-winter. Generally speaking, one can shoot some sort of match on any given weekend.

[majette]

i shot an IDPA match last thursday with my new to me 1911 in 9mm. accurate, and i had a great shoot but i am at a disadvantage because i shoot factory ball ammo. people shooting reloads have a huge advantage, they blaze away with no muzzle flip like they are shooting .22's.

[Juliet Delta]

Bob,
Thanks! I was actually practicing both reloads this morning... I agree, except for the potential fumble-factor of juggling two mags in one hand, the tactical reload can be a tad quicker. I was practicing with my shot timer set on a par time, and it got to the point where I was a touch faster on the tac reload than I was the reload w/ retention. Go figure.

Really? That's interesting. In the reload with retention you go from gun to belt, to gun.

In the tac reload you go from gun to belt, to gun, to belt, to gun.

I've found that if I wear pants with slash cut pockets (fast to get a hand into), I dump the partial mag into my reload hand as it comes off the gun, pocket the partial in my forward pocket in front of my mag pouch, then as my hand leaves the pocket it comes right up past the mag pouch and I grab the reload on the way out. I seat the mag, and I'm up and running.

This way has always been faster for me, and it gives me fewer points to fumble at. Perhaps it's just what I'm used to, but it seems more efficient to me.

[EdotKuo]

I suppose it's one of those things that you just gotta time yourself to find out for sure, and the results are probably going to vary for different people.

What I did during dry-fire drills was establish a par time that challenged me, and practiced both types of reloads on the clock. My results surprised me too, but I also discovered that the potential for a fumble was a lot greater with the tac reload, and a single fumble can really kill your time. Which begs the question: is it better to do the tac reload because I may be a few tenth's of a second faster if all things worked out, but run the risk of fumbling a mag maybe one time out of ten? For me, it ended up being a risk vs reward thing, or at least until I become consistently fumble-free. So for now, even though I practice the tac reload, I'm doing a RWR during matches whenever given the choice of the two.

Timers are an interesting training tool, and can help with a number of things. It's kind of like the question of 230 gr vs 200 gr .45 acp bullets, and which one gives me the fastest splits. For me, the timer indicated that I had consistently faster splits with a 200 gr SWC than a 230 RN, using 170 PF as my constant. Intuitively I thought the 230 gr bullet with the softer recoil would have been faster, but who am I to argue with the timer?

I would also add that scales are another good tool to determine if your pistol makes weight. Despite what the manufacturers will list as the weight, I've heard of a few competitors who have been unpleasantly surprised at a major match because they relied on the manufacturer's listed weight instead of weighing it for themselves ahead of time.

As a friend of mine is wont to say, "unless you test, you guess".

Cheers

[CDogg]

I dont know about you folks but Im quicker with a tac reload
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5G-DXXslj0
the gun I used here had issues and have sold it and performing better now with custom work but check out 1:26 into the video :o

[Juliet Delta]

I dont know about you folks but Im quicker with a tac reload
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5G-DXXslj0
the gun I used here had issues and have sold it and performing better now with custom work but check out 1:26 into the video :o
I think you'd be faster with the RWR. :D

Honestly, yes your pistol was topped off faster...but when you account for the time it takes to pocket the partial, then reacquire your firing grip...the gap closes. If you do shot - reload (each type) - then shot...see where you're times are.

I could be very wrong, but from an "economy of motion" perspective, the RWR gets you back in the game with fewer movements.

[Larry33]

Shot IDPA for the first time today. All the practice on the fundamentals went right out the window as soon as the timer hit :( I stink really bad, but I had a blast, and I am determined more than ever to get good with my gun.

[Spyros]

Don't worry, it's always like that at first. Theory is nice, but when adrenaline is introduced, funny things happen!

Remember a quote from Jeff Cooper: "One must shoot as fast as one can - but no faster."

[ptf18]

Gee this IDPA stuff looks like alot of fun. Ive attended several matches to watch. Just got to get out and try one. Dont know if I'ld use my 1911 or SIg P6.

[EdotKuo]

Gee this IDPA stuff looks like alot of fun. Ive attended several matches to watch. Just got to get out and try one. Dont know if I'ld use my 1911 or SIg P6.

Depends on which one do you shoot better with, and which one you have the gear for.

You'll need a strong-side holster, mag pouch, three magazines, and about 100 rnds of ammo. There are a few particulars on the type of holsters that are legal, which we can help you figure out, but need to know what you have. Or call the club's Match Director, and they can probably help you out as well, plus get you into the right Division when you register.

You'll also need some sort of cover garment conceals the holster when you raise your arms horizontally out to the sides. Don't worry about getting something special. I wear a softshell jacket or an unbuttoned shirt.

I've had quite a few people just show up to watch, and inevitably they all go away wishing they brought their gun. For those that did bring their gun, but hang back, I've offered to let them shoot a stage or two when the squad was done just to try it out. I've even loaned out gear and ammo if it was the same as I'm using.

Sounds like it is time to quit watching and shoot! Tell them this is your first time, and somebody will probably give you a quick IDPA 101 and safety briefing on the specific rules of the club. Most clubs allow non-IDPA members to shoot at least their first match or two.

[ptf18]

Yeah Ive got the guns, got the ammo as I reload, even have the Comp-Tac holsters and mag pouches. Would need a cover garment but I could probably get by with something I all ready have...Now i just need to do it.

[colonative01]

March 13th.
I'm going back to IDPA.. as long as the weather is good. :) I may not have my 1911 back from S&W yet, but I'll take my SIG and just enjoy it.

[Larry33]

March 13th.
I'm going back to IDPA.. as long as the weather is good. :) I may not have my 1911 back from S&W yet, but I'll take my SIG and just enjoy it.
Most people aren't shooting 1911's anyway. They are shooting Glocks, SD's, or M&P's. Lots of 9mm because it's cheaper than 45, and easier to shoot. I'm kind of pig headed though. I like my 1911 in 45 ACP. I figure if I get good practice in I can overcome the advantage the high capacity guys have.

[colonative01]

Larry, it's why I bought the S&W 1911... to bring it!
Practice is the equalizer!

[Juliet Delta]

Larry, it's why I bought the S&W 1911... to bring it!
Practice is the equalizer!
The qualification times for the classifier give CDP more time than SSP to make each class.

Practice is always good, but you really are at a mathematical disadvantage.
http://www.idpa.com/classify.asp

[EdotKuo]

Yes it is, but the splits with a 9 mm are faster than a .45 acp. Minor vs Major.

[CDogg]

Gee this IDPA stuff looks like alot of fun. Ive attended several matches to watch. Just got to get out and try one. Dont know if I'ld use my 1911 or SIg P6.
try to shoot a classifier first and make that be your introductory/warm up shoot. Not really necessary but the way I went is I shot 2 classifiers first before the actual match

[RRFlyer]

yah but the mechanical disadvantage is easily overcome with practice.

ESP Should be the fastest class in IDPA but CDP is right there with it.

I wouldn't worry about shooting a classifier first...just go shoot CDP and hang with the cool guys.

I shot local IDPA matches for about 8 months before I finally shot the qualifier and ranked EX in CDP. Missed MASTER by about half a second!

[jblackfish]

I started shooting IDPA last November. I watched one match and a simply joined in. I shot several matches before shooting a classifier, the 1st one that was available - MM. I'm a little slow and inaccurate at times but I'm improving.

I'm shooting a Sig 226 9mm. I want to break out my series 70 Gold Cut and shoot some matches with it. My hesitation is that, since I don't reload any more and down-loaded, semi-wad cutters are all I've shot with it, I'm hesitant to put factory hard ball though it on a regular basis.

Is there any problem running factory hardball ammo through a Gold Cup over a long period of time or am I just too cautious?

[CDogg]

I just started IDPA this last June and been shooting as much matches I can nearby. Last June, I classified Marksman in CDP. Last September, I got what i wanted and finished 1st place at a match and got me a plaque for it ;) . That same September match happened to be a postal match. I checked the 2009 results for the postal match last year and out of 234 CDP marksman shooters, I came in at number 27. I was happy with that since postal is what? national? world? Not sure but 27 out of 234 is great for me. So I figured I gotta move out of MM and shot a classifier last saturday. Im now sharpshooter in CDP. Im gonna stay here for a long time. I dont plan to move to expert since. I dont wanna get pressured at matches :D . Now the next thing I want is get a 1st place finish in sharpshooter and the division champion after that. I was 18 seconds away from division championship last september cause I forgot there were 2 more targets around the corner 10 yards away and the SO had to remind me when I asked. I wonder if I coulda made it if I hadnt forgot :butthead: IDPA is definitely worth coming out to and participate in. The range is 1 hour away from my house and the other is 2 hours away. Its worth it for me :appld:

[DblTap.45]

congrats cdog. I shot my first match last month and have been counting the days until the next shoot.

[CDogg]

Thanks. I shoot again in 2 weeks. Im aiming for a 1st place finish in CDP sharpshooter on the next one. Hopefully I get it. If I compete and I dont get my goal, I feel like Im wasting gas and ammo :D

[colonative01]

Thanks. I shoot again in 2 weeks. Im aiming for a 1st place finish in CDP sharpshooter on the next one. Hopefully I get it. If I compete and I dont get my goal, I feel like Im wasting gas and ammo :D
The next match in Colorado I'm going to is on the 13th.. I can't wait!
:)

[CDogg]

goodluck on your shoot

[BangFlop]

Just competed in my second ever action match. Used my 1911 both times. Placed 5th!! Out of the top 10 finishes, 5 were 1911s. Had a blast. Will continue to use my 1911 in future matches - hope to find a local IDPA too.

[colonative01]

goodluck on your shoot
Thanks! I did well with my Sig.. there were 4 stations and I was so amped up on the first one, I didn't do as well as I could have, but after that, I calmed down and did pretty well. I can't wait to get my S&W PC out next month and run that one!

[CDogg]

my last match 2 weeks ago, I only finished 3rd. The division champion is a world classed shooter who barely makes power factor so his gun is faster. Im only behind 14 seconds from him. 2nd place guy just shot better than i did that day. We shot 9 stages and I only beat him in 3 stages. He took 6 a d the overall ofcourse. Last 2009, i got ranked 27 in the world postal rankings in marksman class. Now Im in sharpshooter, and with an even harder competition, I plan to atleast get in the top 40s this year. I still dont have my division championship :(

[colonative01]

is my next match.. and I get to use my S&W 1911! I can't wait!

[VR4]

Took out my Trophy Match yesterday. I started with my XDm 9 but it started to give me problems. The TM did just fine. I'll start shooting CDP after I get back from shooting the Coastal Bend Challenge in TX. Here is the video of the match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d_VH7Tx1Jk

[CDogg]

nice shooting victor. Im sorry but I gotta say this since i love competition. I would love to shoot against you in CDP :appld: :D
I liked the course of fires you guys had.

[VR4]

Thanks CDogg. Will be shooting CDP the rest of the year after I get back from the Coastol Bend IDPA challenge next week. That was the second time shooting in that division. As you can see I need a lot of practice. Maybe some day we will meet.

[EdotKuo]

Victor,
I just watched your video. Not knowing how many points down you were, I'd say you're looking good overall (draw, cadence, indexing, and footwork).

This is just a suggestion, so take it however you want: Go to the line with two mags in your left front pocket. Use one as a barney mag to chamber a round, replace it with the full mag, then pocket the barney. Less fumbling around and you don't have to do the load, rack, holster; top off the mag with a spare round, then re-draw, re-load, and re-holster.

It's legal per the rules, you just have to use the ones on your belt for any reloads mid CoF.

I too shoot CDP. My problem is I'm more accustomed to shooting USPSA, so every now and then I forget about Tactical Sequence or reloading with retention... but those are my personal crosses to bear.

Cheers

[VR4]

Thanks EdotKuo. Here are the match results http://www.northwhidbeysportsmen.org/idpa/2010-03-27.pdf and thanks for the advice. Much appreciated.

[EdotKuo]

Congrats on overall win.

One more suggestion then: Go shoot a classifier and quit sandbagging in Marksman Class. :D Based on your splits and footwork, I'd hazard a guess that you could be looking at EXP if you can replicate your performance on the video in Stage 3 of the classifier.

I've won CDP Div a few times, but there are a couple of guys that shoot ESP that would have to be absent on match day for me to win the match overall...

Nicely done.

[CDogg]

Victor, the range I shoot my matches at have atleast 9 stages per match and we get a big turn out on CDP shooters. Most of the time around 10 shooters in CDP marksman and about 10 to 15 shooters in CDP sharpshooter. We seem to get more CDP people at my range and out of all of them, I use the least expensive gun and least desired by most at the range (except for 1 dude who uses a para :D ). We're all friends there and some would say "when am I gonna get rid of my springer and buy me a wilson or a custom built gun". I said first of all, I cannot afford buying a gun over $2000 right now and 2nd, stop talking down on my Springer since the guys telling me this are usually more than 20 seconds behind me :lm: Maybe after this year, Im gonna stop shooting full loads and go down to barely making power factor. I wanna see how my times will be like. This 2010, Im gonna keep everything as is....and yes......shoot a classifier and stop sandbaggin in marksman. :D

[VR4]

You guy's are killing me with kindness. :D I just shot a CDP classifier and it was the 1st stage that I tanked. The match that I posted was a revolver match so times would of been different if the other guy's were shooting auto's. I just try my best and dry fire everyday. I also have to get out of some bad habit's in order to improve. Next month I'll be shooting the Single Stack Challenge here in WA at Renton Fish & Game club and I'm sure I wont win that one. :D Thanks again for ya'lls comments.

Cheers

[EdotKuo]

Do you own a shot timer? They are a great training aid for dry fire as well as live fire drills. Get one that has a random delay on the start, and a a par time if you want to use it as a training tool.

For dry fire, figure out a drill that you want to do, set the timer on a par time, then practice it until you can easily beat the timer. For example: draw, engage T1-T3 (set 1 yd apart) in tactical sequence, do a reload with retention, then re-engage T1-T3. Set the par time for 8 seconds (or whatever) and practice that until you can drop the time to say 7.5 secs.

Unfortunately, with the ol' 1911, you'll have to simulate pressing the trigger for everything but the first shot, but that's OK since we're also working on indexing, transitions, reloads...

[VR4]

Thanks for the advice EdotKuo much appreciated.

My start of shooting CDP began today. I didn't shoot that well but still managed to place 1st as a MM. A totally different gun then my XDm 9. I actually like shooting the 1911 better then the M but I have much to learn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVA8RBi0C3g

[CDogg]

good run Victor and that bobber stage is awesome. I like the stages you guys put up. You shouldnt really be in CDP MM, you should atleast be a SS

[VR4]

Thanks CDogg. My hit's were bad but my time saved me. :D

[CDogg]

Thanks CDogg. My hit's were bad but my time saved me. :D
hahaha we got the same issues. Lately Ive been just so fast that sometimes I would forget the sequences I planned in my head each stage :p Im now working on being more accurate along with that speed

[VR4]

hahaha we got the same issues. Lately Ive been just so fast that sometimes I would forget the sequences I planned in my head each stage :p Im now working on being more accurate along with that speed

I'm trying to work on it myself.

[colonative01]

Hey, my post is a bit late.. but I was able to take my 1911 to our local competition 2 weeks ago.. I did fair, not as well as I would have liked, but hey, that just means more range time.
I placed 9th in CDP, and i'm not classified yet. with my Sig 229 last month I placed 4th.. but that's the pistol I usually shoot.
My 1911 was great though.. good groups, but going slow really got me.
Next month though... I'll be back again!

[VR4]

Hey, my post is a bit late.. but I was able to take my 1911 to our local competition 2 weeks ago.. I did fair, not as well as I would have liked, but hey, that just means more range time.
I placed 9th in CDP, and i'm not classified yet. with my Sig 229 last month I placed 4th.. but that's the pistol I usually shoot.
My 1911 was great though.. good groups, but going slow really got me.
Next month though... I'll be back again!


I know what you mean with switching gun's. I just switched from my XDm 9 to my 1911. It's like starting all over for me.

[EdotKuo]

This is what helped me stay accurate when going fast: Incorporate some Bill Drills into your live fire practice.

The idea around Bill Drills is to learn to see your front sight bouncing around during recoil. The drill essentially consists of firing 6 rounds as fast as you can while keeping all the hits in the -0 zone. Start close (5-7 yds), then move further back as you progress.

If you have a timer, use it to monitor your times. Only count the drills where you got all -0's. Start slow, and work up. Once you can do it in under 4 secs at 7 yds, move to 10 yds. Then try to break 3 secs for the drill at 7 and 10 yds.

It may take a few hundred (or thousand) rounds before you start to "see" your front sight, but it's one of those awakening moments when you do. Kind of cool really.

If you watch a top tier shooter do this drill or shoot 2 into a target, they are essentially "seeing" the front sight thru the recoil of the shot. Their double-tap is really two sighted shots and they are "seeing" the front sight lift each time then indexing the gun back on target -all in about .2-.3 secs.

Some of those guys are doing Bill Drills in 2 seconds (which if you think about it, that's a 1 sec draw-and-fire, then 5 subsequent shots with 0.2 sec splits between shots.)

Make sure your range is OK with rapid fire, because from the sidelines it may look out of control.

[VR4]

This is what helped me stay accurate when going fast: Incorporate some Bill Drills into your live fire practice.

The idea around Bill Drills is to learn to see your front sight bouncing around during recoil. The drill essentially consists of firing 6 rounds as fast as you can while keeping all the hits in the -0 zone. Start close (5-7 yds), then move further back as you progress.

If you have a timer, use it to monitor your times. Only count the drills where you got all -0's. Start slow, and work up. Once you can do it in under 4 secs at 7 yds, move to 10 yds. Then try to break 3 secs for the drill at 7 and 10 yds.

It may take a few hundred (or thousand) rounds before you start to "see" your front sight, but it's one of those awakening moments when you do. Kind of cool really.

If you watch a top tier shooter do this drill or shoot 2 into a target, they are essentially "seeing" the front sight thru the recoil of the shot. Their double-tap is really two sighted shots and they are "seeing" the front sight lift each time then indexing the gun back on target -all in about .2-.3 secs.

Some of those guys are doing Bill Drills in 2 seconds (which if you think about it, that's a 1 sec draw-and-fire, then 5 subsequent shots with 0.2 sec splits between shots.)

Make sure your range is OK with rapid fire, because from the sidelines it may look out of control.

Thanks. I will be adding bill drills as I see how it can help. I never thought about it. Just keeped shooting 2 on target.

[VR4]

Well I hit the range yesterday and tried Bill Drill'sl along with working on my draw. If you have anymore advice I would love to hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpHlLLmUhEw

[VR4]

Well I went back and practiced my draw again as I was told how to do it the right way. It's hard to break bad habits but I think I'm getting it. My times got better and better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS6jDfAip7k

[colonative01]

Very nice! I'm going to practice this weekend myself... get ready for the 2nd weekend in May.
:)

[VR4]

Very nice! I'm going to practice this weekend myself... get ready for the 2nd weekend in May.
:)

Thanks. Practicing is hard work. What's in May? Local match or Sanctioned match? Good luck either way.

[colonative01]

that's the next club match.
:) I can't wait!

[EdotKuo]

Well I hit the range yesterday and tried Bill Drill'sl along with working on my draw. If you have anymore advice I would love to hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpHlLLmUhEw

Vic, your practice drills look good, and certainly your times and points down are the true measure of how well you're doing. Sub-3 secs are good times.

On your draw, punch that gun out as soon as you bring it up, and "drive" it onto the target.

Now that you're doing well tracking your front sight, work on your transitions with multiple targets. The thing you're trying to nail down is driving the gun onto the next target and keeping the front sight in focus while shifting from one target to the next.

I find El Presidente to be a good drill for this. Put two rounds into each, reload, then two more each. If you want to stay in the spirit of IDPA, do them in tactical sequence (1-1-2-1-1), or just shoot controlled pairs at each. Might as well practice that RWR or Tac Reload while you're at it.

The nice thing about this drill is it is easy to set up and replicate, so you can track your times from different sessions and gage improvement. Plus it's part of Stage 2 of the classifier...

G'luck!

[CDogg]

Well I hit the range yesterday and tried Bill Drill'sl along with working on my draw. If you have anymore advice I would love to hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpHlLLmUhEw
you're looking great Vic. If I know Im gonna come up against you on an upcoming match, I will be sure to practice atleast a couple of days worth before shooting the match :D

[VR4]

Vic, your practice drills look good, and certainly your times and points down are the true measure of how well you're doing. Sub-3 secs are good times.

On your draw, punch that gun out as soon as you bring it up, and "drive" it onto the target.

Now that you're doing well tracking your front sight, work on your transitions with multiple targets. The thing you're trying to nail down is driving the gun onto the next target and keeping the front sight in focus while shifting from one target to the next.

I find El Presidente to be a good drill for this. Put two rounds into each, reload, then two more each. If you want to stay in the spirit of IDPA, do them in tactical sequence (1-1-2-1-1), or just shoot controlled pairs at each. Might as well practice that RWR or Tac Reload while you're at it.

The nice thing about this drill is it is easy to set up and replicate, so you can track your times from different sessions and gage improvement. Plus it's part of Stage 2 of the classifier...

G'luck!

Thanks. I will have to add those to my drills. Steel match's are starting in my area so I will be hitting them up as well to help with my transitions and eye coordination.

I had a IDPA match today that went well but I still have that feeling of not doing as good as I do when I practice. I need to get over that feeling.

Took out my Trophy Match 45 1911. Only 4 stages due to 1 bay but it's always cool to shoot with those guy's. Thanks for the advice and for watching. Much appreciated.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=766vqNOUh2o

[CDogg]

great run sand bagger :D Are you using full power loads or r u barely making power factor? Just wondering

[VR4]

great run sand bagger :D Are you using full power loads or r u barely making power factor? Just wondering

:lm: That's what my buddy's say. It's funny they use to bet me all the time and since I've been practicing the tables have turned so to speak. I'm at 172-174 PF. I run 230gr Montana Gold with WST 4.5gr's mixed brass and WLP primers.

[CDogg]

that explains the crazy speed :D Im trying to beat all these folks out here with full on loads hahahaha! I am however planning to play around with barely going over pf of maybe just about 170 or so. I might start doing this after I pick up my next 1911. I wanna keep what I use now as is shooting full loads with a 18.5# spring (for real world emergency applications). I plan to just run a 12# spring on the new one Im getting and mess around with loads. I got a guy doing my reloads for me so I wont have the headache of figuring it out.....he will :lm:

[VR4]

What a nice sunny day to go shoot a IDPA match. Went and shot NWSA IDPA match and had a blast. Stage 1&3 didn't get recorded due to camera man error. Thanks for watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO7DXzcIrqg

[VR4]

Went and shot another IDPA match at NWSA club. Was a great day to go shoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5cQeWXAJzM

[VR4]

Went and shot Renton's IDPA match yesterday. Had a great time shooting but my performance was lacking to say the least. I still managed to get 1st in CDP MM. Thanks for watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEVssWgm94Y

[colonative01]

Went and shot Renton's IDPA match yesterday. Had a great time shooting but my performance was lacking to say the least. Brain farts like crazy. I still managed to get 1st in CDP MM. Thanks for watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEVssWgm94Y

I am headed to an IDPA match as CDP MM on August 14.. I'll let you know how it goes!

[VR4]

I am headed to an IDPA match as CDP MM on August 14.. I'll let you know how it goes!

Yeah keep us updated. Get some video if you can. Good luck as well.

[colonative01]

Well, I found that after only 4 times using my 1911 in IDPA, I need LOTS of work, but it was really a great time.
There were 13 stages that were very challenging for everyone and the whole event went really well.

[SanderW]

I am also heading into IDPA, shooting a qualifier next Saturday. I have shot some IPSC many years ago, but nothing recently and I will be shooting CDP with a borrowed gun, so I am not expecting stellar results, but it is all for fun isn't it?

My son (14) will be shooting a CZ75 in 9mm as it fits his hand really well. It is also a borrowed gun. So now I am wondering about what gun(s) to acquire that would also be useful in IDPA.

2 x 9mm. His probably a CZ75 - they are easy to get and cheap, mine probably a Glock 19 (Am I allowed to mention that name here :) )

2 x 9mm. His probably a CZ, mine a Colt Combat Commander 9mm. This is because I saw it at a gunshop and fell in love :)

1 x 9mm, 1 x 45 ACP. The .45 then some version of Colt 1911. The modifications I would like to do will make the gun illegal for IDPA though...

I suppose most people just shoot what they happen to have, instead of planning this like me, but due to our gun laws it will be 2 - 3 years before I can get my gun (if I buy it now...), so changing guns on a whim is extremely difficult!

Anyway, will report back after the qualifier.

[Jim Watson]

Since none of the guns you mention are locally made, I would get the one(s) I could get parts and knowledgeable gunsmithing for.

You don't like CZ?
Father and son CZ75s would be a nice touch.

The modifications I would like to do will make the gun illegal for IDPA though

So don't do them.

[SanderW]

All three are easy to keep running here, spares & gunsmithing wise. And I do like the CZ, but due to out gun licensing restrictions getting licenses for two of the same gun is fairly difficult.

Also the CZ has less opportunities for messing around with the gun than the 1911 and part of the hobby is messing about with guns, isn't it?

Anyway, I am seriously off topic here. :)

[Jim Watson]

I do like the CZ, but due to out gun licensing restrictions getting licenses for two of the same gun is fairly difficult.

Ah HA!

In that case, I would lean towards the Colt. Largely because I have been shooting Colts for about 40 years and the Lugeresque grip angle of Glocks just doesn't feel right.

What magazines can you get? Standard Colt 9mm magazines are 9 shot. 10s are available in the USA but I don't know about the RSA.

[hercster]

I have just started shooting IDPA and I use my Kimbers.
The fastest guy at our range shoots a M&P 9mm The second fastest is a 1911 45acp. Sometimes the 1911 wins. Its about sight control and magizine changes. Start slow and be accurate and the speed will come with time. My problem at 51 is slow old eyes. I still have the desire and the will to do it but the eyes have got alot to do with seeing the sights and target. I have been trying different thing to improve my sight picture and my times have come down about 30%. Today i see the eye doc and hopefully will find more sight somehow...
Steve

Old at 51??? I was in my prime at that age in so many ways. I loved being 50 and now like being 66.

I shoot IPSC and so know what eye issues can mean in the action shooting sports. The big problem is getting that front sight in focus while being able to see everything else reasonably well. I have found the solution for me after some trial and error. I got a pair of shooting lenses set up with might seem to be a weird combination of focal lengths particularly if you don't understand how your eyes achieve focus. They are faster than the best camera but basically face the same reality and challenges.

The left side of my glasses is a single-focus lens optimized for distance. The right side which is my dominant eye is a bifocal. The upper part of that lens is optimized for the front sight (approximately 25 inches) while the bottom cut which is lower than usual is set up for reading.

This old brain does a very good job of mixing those images so that I can see the front sight very clearly without excessive messing around such as what I have to do with my everyday progressive bifocals.

Single focus lenses are relatively cheap. The trick was to find an eyeglass guy that could understand the demands of pistol shooting and to take a slide with me to demonstrate and then test the setup.

Another feature of the SIG X-five I use for IPSC is the fibre optic sight GrayGuns installed for me. It's a Dawson and significantly more narrow than the one it replaced. The small red dot (I would prefer green) pops into view quickly and finds the rear sight notch nicely. Because the sight has a lot of room in the notch, the same brain I talked about earlier centres the FS without me thinking about it.

I hope this helps at least in the vision department.

[SanderW]

Hi Jim and others,

Seems like we have multiple threads going in this thread. Should i start a new one?

Anyway, I shot my classifier on Saturday with a borrowed 1911. I classified as CDP novice, with 61 points down, 2 PE's (brain farts...) and 172sec, for a classification score of 208sec. So I didn't miss marksman by much, but it means that I will compete as a novice on Saturday.

And I have always said I am not in it for the competition, but heck it would be nice to win on Saturday! :)

And, back to the which gun question. I bought a Sprinfield Armory 1911-A1 wth minor mods, but it will be a long time before I can shoot with my own gun. My son will be shooting Saturday with a CZ, but we are getting him a glock M19. So then I will have my two favourites: A 1911 and a glock :)

[CDogg]

wow.......i havent posted in a while now. Few months actually since I got into riding street bikes. Anyway Im gonna start getting back into shooting again and IDPA. I got some unfinished business. Happy to see most IDPA shooters still stay active. Im gonna buy me a new Kimber and get back into it this march or april. Anybody got new videos of themselves in comp?

[colonative01]

I keep wanting to shoot, but it's just been too cold and the November/ December matches have been canceled in the area, so here's hoping that January will happen! Especially since the state match is in May. I need practice!

[hercster]

I have just started shooting IDPA and I use my Kimbers.
The fastest guy at our range shoots a M&P 9mm The second fastest is a 1911 45acp. Sometimes the 1911 wins. Its about sight control and magizine changes. Start slow and be accurate and the speed will come with time. My problem at 51 is slow old eyes. I still have the desire and the will to do it but the eyes have got alot to do with seeing the sights and target. I have been trying different thing to improve my sight picture and my times have come down about 30%. Today i see the eye doc and hopefully will find more sight somehow...
Steve

My eyes are older too. I found a good solution in a combination of lenses in my shooting glasses. My dominant eye lens is a bifocal with the top part optimized for the front sight and a smaller than usual lower part for reading and close work. The left eye is a single focus. The brain mixes the images and bingo I can see like I used to before grey hair.

[wdyasq]

This thread has been an interesting read.

I have not been able to get the local clubs to respond to an email. It is an hour's drive to get to a match. I guess I need to get the leather, take a supply of cartridges and just show up.

Every thing I have will 'go major', or well over. Except for my little LCP.

I really do believe in practicing with what one carries. It would be interesting to be in a high pressure situation with the target spraying lead at one and be wondering 'where did the front sight go?' ... 'what's up with all this noise and all of the recoil?' (although I honestly doubt that would happen.)

Ron

[CDogg]

Now i got me a new kimber warrior. Changed some things in it abit like putting a full length guide rod. Next match is in july. I will try to put videos again :-)

[CDogg]

here are some stage videos. I will start doing this again regularly. No more 18 month gaps in between matches. I didnt do so well especially now that im a sharpshooter already
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFg6MdEUuX4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlAppvxGkpU&NR=1

[arthury]

This spring I shot Classifiers in all three pistol divisions. I managed Sharpshooter in all three. Interestingly my best time was with my Custom Norinco in .45acp. Best time ever shooting the Classifier actually, go figure.

I shoot SSP in competition with a CZ Shadow only because I can't bring my Norinco into the US for competitions. Thank-you Mr. Clinton!

Take Care

Bob

Hey Bob,

Did you do the Classifiers all in one go or did you do them on separate occasions? I have done one in the SSP and wanted to do one for CDP ... still finding one before next month's WA state match.

Also, even if one has multiple classifiers completed, on the day of the match, one can only use one gun, correct?

[CDogg]

Also, even if one has multiple classifiers completed, on the day of the match, one can only use one gun, correct?

Thats correct