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glassjaw11oo
20th March 2009, 18:42
Hey, Hows it going, man this is an awesome place to hangout. I have no doubt that the problems I encountered will quickly be solved by the wealth of knowledge on this forum, so here it goes.
Heres my newly purchased SA G.i, just bought it today, and put about 75 rounds through it. by the time I was done, i picked up some shells and the picture explains it all, hopefully it can be fixed with some extractor adjustments. http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/glassjawjm/photo-6.jpg
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/glassjawjm/photo-5.jpg
and the shells
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/glassjawjm/photo-2.jpg
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/glassjawjm/64435f01.jpg
It might be somewhat hard to see becuase i was using my phone as a camera, but where the extractor is grabbing the shell in this next picture, it is digging into the brass, and its marring the shell rim, Im guessing its twisting on its way out, any help would be greatly appreciated.
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/glassjawjm/photo-4.jpg
Thanks again.
lksstbls
20th March 2009, 18:56
The dented brass is a characteristic of the small ejection port of the original 1911 design, which the SA G.I. model uses. I don't know, but I doubt, whether the denting can be tuned out, but someone who KNOWS will either confirm, or make a fool of me again. You can have the ejection port enlarged--see the SA Mil-Spec configuration. The dented brass really isn't an issue and surely isn't a sign of a malfunction. I have used brass dented by ejection for reloading and the resizing takes care of the dent.
Nice pistol. I have the Mil-Spec and wish I would have gotten the stainless model.
Rio Vista Slim
20th March 2009, 19:34
glassjaw11oo,
Thanks for including photographs.
As lksstbls correctly points out, the G.I. style ejection port will cause minor deformation of ejected brass cartridge casings. Note I said minor!
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a294/RioVistaSlim/IMG_0436.jpg
With a properly functioning G.I. Government model, the brass should look like the photo above, with perhaps a bit more of a dent, but no more than that.
Your pistol appears to have some other problems, and fortunately, you've come to the right place. The real "experts" will be along shortly to offer you some advice. Were the pistol mine, I'd send it back to Springfield, with the photographs included in your letter of explanation.
PROGUN
20th March 2009, 19:40
wow! those cases are really dented. It may be the ejection port. I have a Colt Gov. model, it dosen`t have the lowered port, it dented the brass but not that bad. Try this, if the ejector is alright, loosen the extractor up just a little, seem to work for me. Also make sure the extractor channel is clear and clean and no burs any where on the extractor.
glassjaw11oo
20th March 2009, 20:09
Well thanks for the speedy responds, I have taken a picture of the ejector, I dont really know whats its supposed to look like, again my phone doesnt take the best pictures, but ill give it a shot. Another thing ive noticed was that the shells were getting thrown out just about over my head, maybe 6 inches to the right, whereas other pistols i shot were pretty much ejected perpendicular to the gun, maybe this info will help with your judgement. ill try and adjust the extractor and see if that helps, and thanks again for the info.
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/glassjawjm/photo-7.jpg
Hammerdown
20th March 2009, 20:13
Do you have brass markings on the top of your slide at the top right rear corner of the ejection port?
BTW, ejecting empties over your shoulder/head, up and to the right (2 o'clock is ideal) is standard operation.
Hammerdown
20th March 2009, 20:14
Well thanks for the speedy responds, I have taken a picture of the ejector, I dont really know whats its supposed to look like, again my phone doesnt take the best pictures, but ill give it a shot. Another thing ive noticed was that the shells were getting thrown out just about over my head, maybe 6 inches to the right, whereas other pistols i shot were pretty much ejected perpendicular to the gun, maybe this info will help with your judgement. ill try and adjust the extractor and see if that helps, and thanks again for the info.
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/glassjawjm/photo-7.jpg
Maybe it's just the picture, but the nose of that ejector looks funky. Like it broke off.
RobL
20th March 2009, 20:42
I've seen worse: cases pinched from both sides to form an "8" shape in the mouth, and that with a lowered and relieved port on an RIA hi-cap. After some asking here and technical checks, I concluded it was limp-wristing by a newbie I was teaching to shoot, which lead to the slide trying it's hardest to stovepipe but just barely failing.
Joni Lynn
20th March 2009, 21:07
The problem is as previously described. It might be somewhat corrected by adjusting the extractor tension.
The cases can be ironed back out prior to loading and the dies will correct things from there.
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