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usnavydoc
17th February 2009, 11:14
I woke up excited yesterday....it was the day to pick up my Colt Special Combat from my dealer.

I cleaned it and lubed it to get it ready to be broken in. My first impressions of the gun:

The gun came with two chip mccormick shooting star magazines, which I am not too familiar with. They seemed ok and had basepads on them. The gun itself had a blued finish, which was done very well and evenly. I noticed that it had a lot of sharp edges for being a carry model, especially the front sight blade. The rear, which is a novak adjustable with tritium, also had some sharp edges, albeit nowhere as sharp and clumsy (for carry) as the Bo-Mars. The slide to frame fit was good, but nowhere as tight as my buddy's Les Baer (more on that later). Colt did a good job with fitting the beavertail safety, no uneven gaps. The ambidextrous safety levers appeared to be thinner than the old Special Combat I had, which were nice for carry, but needed quite an effort to engage it. I figured that it was tight because it was still new, so I decided to see what happened after it was broken in. The barrel had "Colt NM" engraved on it, and it felt a bit heavier and more solid than the barrel in my MKIV Series 80 enhanced. The trigger did not have much creep, and broke like a glass rod. I was surprised that the front strap did not have any checkering (for this price it should have it, IMHO).

I called one of my buddies, who has a Les Baer Premier, to join me at the range and bring his gun for a comparison. We both went gun shopping for our guns at roughly the same time, he tried to convince me to get a Baer with him, but I told him the story of my old Special Combat that I sold to help with my divorce and that I wanted to get another new one; so he went and bought the Les Baer while I bought the Colt.

I brought the following ammo: 100 rounds of Magtech 230 grain FMJ, 50 rounds of 230 grain Remington Golden Saber, 100 rounds of Federal HST HP 230 grain +p, and at the range I bought 50 rounds of range ammo (reloads). I brought several magazines to try on the gun - Wilson Combat Elite Tactical, Chip Mccormick Shooting star, the Colt mags that came with my MKIV enhanced, and a Wilson Combat 47D mags. All of the mags mentioned above are 8 rounders.

I began with the range ammo. The gun failed to feed 8 times, and kept the slide half open after it fired. I tried different magazines, and it would always end up jamming. I tried the ammo on my buddy's Les Baer, and it did the same thing, so we concluded that the ammo was bad and stopped using it.

Next I used Remington Golden Sabers. All rounds fed without problems, except for the last round (#8). The last round failed to feed in all of the magazines. Accuracy was ok, but not much better than the MKIV enhanced that I have. The Magtech came next, and all fired and fed without any problems, except for the last round - the slide was open as if it was empty, and the round sat between the magazine lips and the feeding ramp. The Chip Mccormicks had less tendency for not feeding the last round, but did so occasionally.

I was surprised, but the Federal HST +P were the most accurate of the group, and all fed reliably...again, except for the last round. The +p recoiled a bit more, but was manageable, and I was able to quickly line up the sights for follow up shots.

With the exception of the range ammo, my friend's Les Baer fired all rounds without any issues...and the groups from the gun were much tighter...I normally shoot better than my friend, but the gun made him a good shooter today.

At the end of the day, we were tired and went back to our respective homes. Besides being dirty, like it should be after so many rounds, I noticed that the wood grips had come loose, and re-tightened them. I took the gun apart, cleaned it, and lubed it. Upon inspection I noticed that the slide's dustcover on the right side had a white rub mar on it. It appears that this gun is also suffering from the dreaded frame rub problem . I normally wouldn't be too concerned since this is a carry gun / work gun, but for the price I paid, ($1700 after taxes) I expected some refinement from the top of the line Colt.

After putting the gun back together, I decided to put some gun oil on the ambi safety to try to make it a bit easier to engage, without any success. As a matter of fact, I can't even engage the safety with one hand. The only way it budges is if I use one hand to pull the safety lever away from the frame. While pulling the safety lever away from the frame with one hand, I use the other hand to push it up. It worries me that engaging the safety became a two hand operation. If I don't pull the safety lever away from the frame, it won't move even it I try to muscle it with two hands.

So to sum it up, I am pretty disappointed with this gun. I expected it to be reliable and accurate as my old Special Combat, and at the very least be more accurate than the MKIV enhanced. Colt did make better guns in the 90's. To add insult to injury, my buddy told me I should have listened to him and bought a Baer. No doubt, his gun is nice, and for now, I am jealous. He paid a few hundred dollars more than I did, and it seemed to be money well spent.

I am a Colt fan, so it hurts to see that the quality of this custom shop piece isn't what it should be. I thought they fit the slide to the frame, so the frame rub surprised me.

I did a search in this forum and noticed that many have the frame rubbing against the dustcover problem - and those who sent the gun to Colt for repairs got it back after a long wait and the problem was not repaired. What can I do to fix the safety lever so it engages? Walking around with a cocked and unlocked gun isn't the best idea for me. As far as the last round not feeding, what do you recommend I do to fix it? I am considering putting a 18.5 LB recoil spring.

I am contemplating whether to call Colt and send it in for repairs, or to spend a few hundred dollars to send it to Wilson Combat to fix and perhaps finish it with armor tuff, while getting faster turnaround times.

Anyone know why the ambi safety won't engage normally? Is it something easy to fix?

For now, I can't trust my life with this weapon...so no ccw with it at least not until it is fixed. Would you recommend me selling the gun, sending it to colt to fix, or just avoid the headache and heartache and send it to Wilson Combat? Part of me wishes that I would have bought the Baer...spending a lot of money on something that has so many problems can be disheartening.

usnavydoc
17th February 2009, 11:37
I called Colt customer service this morning. The lady I spoke to was pleasant to talk to, but the info she told me was not. After telling her the problem with my gun, I was told that I had to ship the gun back on my dime, and Colt would reimburse me once they determined that the problem with the gun is warranty related. She told me it takes them one week to get to examine the gun, and then another 40 days to fix it.

Maybe I have been spoiled in the past by Smith and Wesson, but when I called them with a warranty problem, they sent me a shipping label prepaid, and it only took them 2 weeks to send my gun back. I think being unable to engage the safety after owning the gun for 1 day is a warranty problem.

I am still pondering my options, but my main concern are the posts I read in the past, where people having problems sent their guns back to Colt and it came back without being fixed. I honestly don't have months to keep sending the gun back and forth to Colt until it gets fixed.

Sorry for the long rant. :dead_hors

larry starling
17th February 2009, 15:26
Sorry to read about your issues with your Colt. I hope that you get your issues taken care of. I must admit though that every post here of late abut new Colt's seems to include QC problems.

IMHO with the MSRP of the Special Combat being what it is, it shouldn't have any problems when they leave the factory. Who ever is doing the QC checks needs to be retrained!

Sadly if Colt doesn't get there issues fixed and quickly. I'm afraid that it will reflect in reduced sales. I myself and several friends have been gun shy here of late when it comes to buying new Colt's!

usnavydoc
17th February 2009, 16:08
Sorry to read about your issues with your Colt. I hope that you get your issues taken care of. I must admit though that every post here of late abut new Colt's seems to include QC problems.

IMHO with the MSRP of the Special Combat being what it is, it shouldn't have any problems when they leave the factory. Who ever is doing the QC checks needs to be retrained!

Sadly if Colt doesn't get there issues fixed and quickly. I'm afraid that it will reflect in reduced sales. I myself and several friends have been gun shy here of late when it comes to buying new Colt's!

I agree, I have been a Colt fan for years, with every single example of their products performing well...until now. I know that every product will have a lemon once in a while, but with all the posts I have been seeing lately of QC problems it makes me wonder.

I want Colt to succeed, and hope that they see our complaints as feedback and correct the problems so that it doesn't continue. Until then, I will wait until the day where people rave about how great Colt is, not how great it was. Growing up as a kid, my grandfather always told me that Colt is the best quality firearm you can get...and I hope someday they can be again. Like your quote states, I am a fan of what Colt was, not what it is now. I can safely say that this recent experience has soured my taste for new Colt products.

I sent the gun to Wilson Combat to fix the problem and replace the safety and sights with their tactical safety and tactical sights(no sharp edges). I also asked them to dehorn and refinish the pistol in armor tuff, and ordered the reliability package. Altogether it will cost me $600 on top of the original $1700 I paid to get the pistol. It is a small price to pay to get a reliable and high performance pistol. I planned to use the gun as an off-duty weapon, but it is too sharp and unreliable as is, and I don't want to find out the hard way what happens when a gun fails me in times of need.

I should note that Wilson's customer service was great. The man I talked to, John, was enthusiastic and very helpful. I originally wanted the ambi tactical thumb safety, but after I told him what I planned to use the gun for, he advised me to get the non ambi tactical thumb safety, which he felt was more reliable, even though it cost less. It is nice to see someone in the customer service field who isn't afraid to recommend what the customer needs, not what costs more, and then give out his opinion and have the patience to explain it. (Regardless of industry).

At least I have a python and a MKIV enhanced to keep me company while I wait to get the gun back. :)

javichin1991
17th February 2009, 17:05
Hello,

I am sorry that you do not feel completely satisfied with your new Colt purchase.

But I do not think that Colt is making bad guns, in fact I think that you have a nice pistol. I personaly would prefer your SCG carry to any Baer.

Let me to explain, the Baer is not better built for having a tighter slide to frame fit, and this mentioned relation has nothing to do with accuracy (less than 5%).

Aside from the frame rub problem (that is a cosmetic issue that Colt should solve at no charge), the other issues are minor and easy to solve by yourself. The last round feeding problem could be caused by the slide stop touching the magazine follower, it is a problem that can happen with any maker or brand. The hard to operate thumb safety will take no more than a few minutes and a fine file. Regarding the sharp edge sights is no Colt fault, the rear sight is mde by Novak.

Anyway If I were you I would have sent the gun back to Colt. I am pretty sure that Colt would have solved the minor issues in a proper and fast way at no charge. I do not remember the exact price list of Colt Custom Shop but dehorning the entire gun plus adding serrations on frame is no more than $120.

Regards and congratulations for owning again a SCG.

Javi

PD

It is true that Colt is having QC issues right now, mainly the dammed frame rub problem, but do not forget that we are talking about cosmetic issues NOT functional issues like other brands.

I think that Colt should make a recall on recent production pistols in order to solve the frame rub problem.

vashooter
17th February 2009, 18:36
I called Colt customer service this morning. The lady I spoke to was pleasant to talk to, but the info she told me was not. After telling her the problem with my gun, I was told that I had to ship the gun back on my dime, and Colt would reimburse me once they determined that the problem with the gun is warranty related. She told me it takes them one week to get to examine the gun, and then another 40 days to fix it.

Maybe I have been spoiled in the past by Smith and Wesson, but when I called them with a warranty problem, they sent me a shipping label prepaid, and it only took them 2 weeks to send my gun back. I think being unable to engage the safety after owning the gun for 1 day is a warranty problem.

I am still pondering my options, but my main concern are the posts I read in the past, where people having problems sent their guns back to Colt and it came back without being fixed. I honestly don't have months to keep sending the gun back and forth to Colt until it gets fixed.

Sorry for the long rant. :dead_horsI had the same experince that you are having almost, but when I told them that a close to $1,000 dollar pistol should not have issues they sent me a call tag. I thought that was nice of them :eb: Also the price you paid they should have offered to ship it for you IMO. I guess I look at it like this ...if I bought a car and after a day the brakes failed I would expect prompt, reliable service. We are talking a lot less cash here but it is hard earned money none the less. And what good is a pistol if you can't use the safety and it has dings and scratches from just racking the slide a few times and firing it? I don't blame you for sending it to Wilson. Maybe if we all exercised that option we could or should have bought from them in the first place hmmmm. ;) Floyd

Joni Lynn
17th February 2009, 21:15
I would give Colt a chance to fix it first.
I'd also call and request a call tag for it, maybe they'll do it, maybe they won't.
If not, at least they will reimburse.
Write a very detailed explanation of what you see the problems being, write it so anyone can understand it.
When it comes back, if it's not right then you still have other options.

daveohno
18th February 2009, 02:16
Yup, send it in and have them fix her up for you.

Baer?......Grrrr! There's alot of that round these here parts lately!

wetidlerjr
19th February 2009, 07:47
...I sent the gun to Wilson Combat to fix the problem and replace the safety and sights with their tactical safety and tactical sights(no sharp edges). I also asked them to dehorn and refinish the pistol in armor tuff, and ordered the reliability package...

You have eliminated any chance for any Colt warranty in the future and Wilson Combat will only warranty what they have done plus you added $600 to your costs. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/wetidlerjr/Smilies/confused-smiley-013.gif You should have gave Colt a chance to correct the problem but, as they say, "you made your bed..."