New Combat Elite report (good and bad)

[vashooter]

As some of you know I bought a NIB CE about a week ago. I was aware of the problems and took it to the range today for it's first run. The good news is that it ate hollow points 200gr.....230gr. fmj....and reloaded 230gr lead rn no problem. It shoots great and is a keeper. I think the NM barrel is a big contributor. Now the bad. I have the slide rub mark from the dust cover. Which by the way measures .055 on the left side and .043 on the right side. So the machinery is not doing it's job nor is Q.C. Also the barrel at the lower right part of the throat has a rough burr which is next to the feed ramp. The feed ramp needs blended in as this is now a catch area for fouling. All in all I am good with that as I know Colt will address these issues and hopefully get their stuff lined out. Here are some 15 yd. targets shot with no rest. Floyd
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/vagunner/CEtarget.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/vagunner/CEheadshots.jpg

[paul45]

Nice shootin and I hope it all works out. Interesting to read the measurements you took.

[daveohno]

You put holes in the head of that target! Nice shooting. Any plan on how to fix the bur and the rub marks?

[vashooter]

If this was a beater 1911 I would take a craytex tip and a Ughh (dremel) and blend the throating in to remove the burr at the lower lip...but this is Colts baby when I call them on monday. The dust cover mark needs reblued by Colt and the dust cover rubbing is caused in ny opinion by the thick right side metal. Also that would lead me to belive that the tunnel is not exactly straight either but a fix for Colt would be to mic both sides after CNC machining. The dust cover thickness (for future buyers) is fairly evident if you look at the thickness of one side of the dust cover rail versus the other. Just to make sure my eyes were'nt buggy, I measured it with my loading calipers. I wish I could show better pictures and I may post some later on this thread of the difference and the really sloppy job they did in not blending the dust cover area.....it looks like they machined it and left it as is with no polishing out the marks. The feed ramp has a unblended area at the very bottom which is catching fouling and this is only after 70 rounds. My test was to see what ammo it functions with and whether or not it would rub. After that it was just a matter of tear down, clean, and inspect. An expensive test on my part ...but one I am happy to do as I will keep this pistol after Colt addresses these issues. No worrys :) Floyd

[WhoaCowboy]

Thanks for your posting, Floyd. Mine went back last Tuesday. So did Tacdoc's and others I'm sure..From all the measurements ,pictures and postings the manufacturing/assembly issues are pretty consistent from gun to gun. Hopefully they will all be rectified for all of us.
As an aside my PT1911 is in my holster till the CE returns. Went to the range yesterday and put 25 through it re familiarize my self with its "feel". This is an extremely accurate gun but it doesn't have the feel or trigger of my Colt CE. I also put 25 through one of my SAA's: Third Gen 5.5 45LC blue/case 84000SA series. This gun has the Colt feel and soul....
Hopefully we will have positive postings when the guns are returned.

[vashooter]

Thanks for your posting, Floyd. Mine went back last Tuesday. So did Tacdoc's and others I'm sure..From all the measurements ,pictures and postings the manufacturing/assembly issues are pretty consistent from gun to gun. Hopefully they will all be rectified for all of us.
As an aside my PT1911 is in my holster till the CE returns. Went to the range yesterday and put 25 through it re familiarize my self with its "feel". This is an extremely accurate gun but it doesn't have the feel or trigger of my Colt CE. I also put 25 through one of my SAA's: Third Gen 5.5 45LC blue/case 84000SA series. This gun has the Colt feel and soul....
Hopefully we will have positive postings when the guns are returned.When I talk to customer service tomorrow I am going to ask them why don't they just recall them for inspection and save us some headaches. I know it is a cosmetic issues but this has got to be hurting them in customer satisfaction. Any way here are the pics of mine. Floyd
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/vagunner/DSCF9099-1.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/vagunner/DSCF9101.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/vagunner/DSCF9103.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/vagunner/DSCF9102.jpg

[WhoaCowboy]

After I posted my pics and then sanded the rub area..burnished rub spots persisted...same with TacDoc and others..I'll be curious to know what the customer service rep says.. the male rep I spoke with said he " knew nothing" about this problem... either he just started that week or..........anyway I wrote a letter to the Head of customer service..I'm sure you are aware of the personnel changes at Colt's too.

[vashooter]

After I posted my pics and then sanded the rub area..burnished rub spots persisted...same with TacDoc and others..I'll be curious to know what the customer service rep says.. the male rep I spoke with said he " knew nothing" about this problem... either he just started that week or..........anyway I wrote a letter to the Head of customer service..I'm sure you are aware of the personnel changes at Colt's too.
I am not going to even try to fix their mistake. Not being mean but for a close to $1,000 pistol ,well you get my drift. Anyway spoke to customer srvice and they told me to ship it first day air...when I objected and told them this was or should be a known issue and I was from 1911.org and almost everyone who had bought one on here had the same problem he decided to send me a call tag on their dime. I was not being mean or anything just stated the facts. So call tag is on the way and off it will go to repair. Colt will step up if you ask them too. Maybe your letter Cowboy will help them realize that they have an issue ;) The saga continiues Floyd

[DuckRyder]

They will pay you back for the shipping...

UPS is notoriously lousy with call tags, in fact I've been waiting since October of 08 for one (not for a Colt).

I do hope the call tag arrives quickly and I am sure they will take care of you.

[WhoaCowboy]

Colt will step up if you ask them too. Maybe your letter Cowboy will help them realize that they have an issue ;) The saga continiues Floyd

Slightly off topic but applies to customer service. I wrote about this in another CE thread. Last Monday I received the recall pack from Ruger for the LCP. Dropped it off at a nearby franchise UPS store on Tuesday. I did NOT have to say it was a firearm. They refused me previously for a warranty return. Today UPS knocks on my door with a package from Ruger! They're out of material for the finger rest ( to follow) but included a new magazine, a LCP cap and a signed letter from the president. He stated that they have made running changes and improvements and although not visible they were made to my LCP. They did not want to delay the return for the new finger mag extension. The only downer was we received 2 inches of rain and my raked DG driveway has deep tire tracks from the UPS truck. I realize this is a safety recall..but they took the bull by the horns and I am a satisfied customer. The jury is out on the Colt CE.

[dep2386]

Well my Combat Elite was mailed 10-14-08 for the same problem. I made a mistake and asked for an estimate for some custom work. When I hadn't heard anything in late November I called. They were waiting for my money on the custom work I had asked about but never ordered. They had not worked on correcting the original problem. I sent some money for front strap checkering. On December 21st I called and found out the factory was closed for Christmas. I could call back on January 3rd for more information. I mailed a letter to the President of Colt outlining my disastifaction. I received a phone call telling me that my pistol had been sent off to be re-polished after the checkering. I should get back in about a week. This was in mid-January. Around February 1st I called back. I was told that my pistol was being re-polished and it would go to the range next week and it should be shipped back to me possibly the following week. It will be sometime if ever before I purchase another Colt product. I wonder how this company manages to stay in business. A friend of mine ordered Series 70 reproduction and the slide was cut incorrectely, he had to send his back.

[vashooter]

:scared: They will pay you back for the shipping...

UPS is notoriously lousy with call tags, in fact I've been waiting since October of 08 for one (not for a Colt).

I do hope the call tag arrives quickly and I am sure they will take care of you.
Duck you scared me with that waiting for one since October :scared: Then I saw it wasnt Colt you were talking about. My goodness are you still waiting?? :butthead: Floyd

[Pac757]

I am wondering about what Colt is going to do also, my CE is on it's way to my dealer this week. I had heard the comment and also made the statement that Colt should just do the right thing, Like Ruger did and just issue a recall and have them go over the CE's by a QC person. In the long run they would be proving themselves, as their new reputation isn't what it was back in the old days. Companies have problems in manufacturing in all industries, it's just the nature of the business, they will not loose that much money, and at the same time they could improve their image as a quality manufacture.

[vashooter]

I am wondering about what Colt is going to do also, my CE is on it's way to my dealer this week. I had heard the comment and also made the statement that Colt should just do the right thing, Like Ruger did and just issue a recall and have them go over the CE's by a QC person. In the long run they would be proving themselves, as their new reputation isn't what it was back in the old days. Companies have problems in manufacturing in all industries, it's just the nature of the business, they will not loose that much money, and at the same time they could improve their image as a quality manufacture.
My feeling is that since this is mainly a cosmetic issue that they will not issue a recall as it does not affect safety. However what is disturbing to read is that a LOT of the pistols they are manufacturing are rubbing on the wrong spots on different pistols. My attitude is to wait and see how they handle the problems. Also when I mentioned to the customer service person that maybe it is because of the new CNC machinery he acted like he did not know anything about them even using them...weird. :confused: Floyd

[OK_Kid]

My feeling is that since this is mainly a cosmetic issue that they will not issue a recall as it does not affect safety. However what is disturbing to read is that a LOT of the pistols they are manufacturing are rubbing on the wrong spots on different pistols. My attitude is to wait and see how they handle the problems. Also when I mentioned to the customer service person that maybe it is because of the new CNC machinery he acted like he did not know anything about them even using them...weird. :confused: Floyd

I have a New Agent which is showing the same finish rub after about 300 rounds. I originally didn't think much about it because I knew it would show it's wear and tear anyway as a CCW . I do however have a Combat Elite in layaway with a local shop, and on that weapon it would not be acceptable. Now that this history of QC is showing up I'm having second thoughts about the both of them. I knew when I went to purchase a 1911 it was going to be a Colt period, so needless to say I'm somewhat disheartened.

[vashooter]

I have a New Agent which is showing the same finish rub after about 300 rounds. I originally didn't think much about it because I knew it would show it's wear and tear anyway as a CCW . I do however have a Combat Elite in layaway with a local shop, and on that weapon it would not be acceptable. Now that this history of QC is showing up I'm having second thoughts about the both of them. I knew when I went to purchase a 1911 it was going to be a Colt period, so needless to say I'm somewhat disheartened.
I am not sorry I bought the pistol. Quite the opposite :) I love the way it looks and the way it shoots. They did that very well. However as I said for a $1.000 dollar pistol I expect it to be nicely finished, functional and pleasing to the eye ...or at least my eyes anyway. If I had to do it all over again I would still have bought it. I am sure Colt will resolve these issues as well as really get up to speed once they get some manufacturing processes down to a level of consistency. The worst part of any new machinery is basing min-max standards and seeing how many pieces fall into or out of spec and then adjust your process accordingly. Too many out of spec parts .......then your process is out of control and those parts need to be trashed or reworked after adjustments are refined. But that's JMO :eb: If you have other guns to shoot why not go ahead and get it and see if after a few rounds if it EVEN has the same problem, If it does'nt then great..if it does then send it back and they can do the right thing of which by now I am sure they are aware of the problem. JMO :rolleyes:

[Easy Andy]

I got my new Combat Elite a week ago today (Feb 3), fired it for the first time on Feb 4, 32 rounds flawlessly. I was in love. This is my first Colt and first 1911. A few days later this thread started and I've been watching it closely ever since. Didn't get it at first, but after 128 more rounds through it on Saturday, I noticed the rubbing. I probably would not have thought twice about it had it not been for this thread. Especially after 150 of the sweetest, most flawless rounds I have fired. I am happy to now know that it is only a cosmetic defect and that the gun functions properly. But more and more I am beginning to agree that if we are dropping $1000 for a product that we demand perfection. I paid $900 for mine and it is my first as I stated, I treat my guns fairly well, but admit there are already a ding or two on my CE. This comes from using it. So I am torn right now, do I let the rubbing issue slide or do I take the steps others have taken. Truth is, I don't want this gun out of my possession for 2 1/2 months. I'd miss it too much. So in the meanwhile, I will keep reading and hoping that Colt chooses to fix the problem and can get our guns fixed/replaced in record time, but until then, she stays with me.

[OK_Kid]

I got my new Combat Elite a week ago today (Feb 3), fired it for the first time on Feb 4, 32 rounds flawlessly. I was in love. This is my first Colt and first 1911. A few days later this thread started and I've been watching it closely ever since. Didn't get it at first, but after 128 more rounds through it on Saturday, I noticed the rubbing. I probably would not have thought twice about it had it not been for this thread. Especially after 150 of the sweetest, most flawless rounds I have fired. I am happy to now know that it is only a cosmetic defect and that the gun functions properly. But more and more I am beginning to agree that if we are dropping $1000 for a product that we demand perfection. I paid $900 for mine and it is my first as I stated, I treat my guns fairly well, but admit there are already a ding or two on my CE. This comes from using it. So I am torn right now, do I let the rubbing issue slide or do I take the steps others have taken. Truth is, I don't want this gun out of my possession for 2 1/2 months. I'd miss it too much. So in the meanwhile, I will keep reading and hoping that Colt chooses to fix the problem and can get our guns fixed/replaced in record time, but until then, she stays with me.

I absolutely understand that sentiment, that's what had me worried as well even though I don't yet have one in my possession. :wc:


vashooter, I guess when I think about it, my CE is not going anywhere sitting in the store safe while I pay it down. I can watch and read how things develop here with the QC issues and Colt's efforts to make things correct, and in the mean time continue to dial in the New Agent. All in all not a bad position. I sincerely hope they get yours worked out and returned in a timely fashion.

[DuckRyder]

:scared:
Duck you scared me with that waiting for one since October :scared: Then I saw it wasnt Colt you were talking about. My goodness are you still waiting?? :butthead: Floyd

The conversation prompted me to call the company (for about the fourth time) and calmly explain that if they didn't want the product back (it is clothes and I got two of everything while only paying for one) I was gonna wear start wearing it. I got an E-Mail call tag then...

That is not the only issue with call tags though, I've had at least 5-6 instances (at different addresses and times with different companies) that it took 2 or more calls to get a call tag from UPS.

Anyway, I am sure Colt will get you fixed up...

[vashooter]

The conversation prompted me to call the company (for about the fourth time) and calmly explain that if they didn't want the product back (it is clothes and I got two of everything while only paying for one) I was gonna wear start wearing it. I got an E-Mail call tag then...

That is not the only issue with call tags though, I've had at least 5-6 instances (at different addresses and times with different companies) that it took 2 or more calls to get a call tag from UPS.

Anyway, I am sure Colt will get you fixed up...
:lm: Maybe I should tell Colt I am wearing their pistol as a hat!! ;) FLoyd

[vashooter]

This is what I found on my pistol and I am a little (how do you say) thorough when I buy a gun and shoot it so here is the letter (the meat of it anyway) that Colt will get when it gets shipped. I hope this can help some of the future members when looking at their pistol(s) when thinking about getting one and what to look for. :eb: Dear Customer Service,

I recently purchased this NIB pistol and it has some cosmetic problems as well as some not so cosmetic problems. The first problem is that the dust cover rails are not the same thickness. This is causing most likely the right front lower part of the slide to have a rub mark which is causing (after only 75 rounds) the bluing to be worn away. Inside the dust cover there are rough machining marks from the machining process and from the slide scratching the inside of the dust cover. The feed ramp on the frame has an area on the lower portion did not get blended in well and is now a catch area for fouling. I cleaned the area and still cannot get it to come clean so there must be a burr or rough area. The national match barrel on the lower right area under the throat area and near the throat area there is a unfinished/unblended burr or rough spot in that area also. Of less concern is that the barrel bushing for a pistol that cost near $1.000 dollars is not very tight fitting at all. I would expect that a NM barrel would have a little tighter lockup on this bushing but the pistol is very accurate so I will let you all be the judge of this. I also noticed that the grip screws were not beveled into the grips causing them to crack slightly at the outer edges of the holes, should they not have been beveled in to prevent this from happening? It looks like the screws were picked out as an afterthought and just screwed in to the grips. My Colt 04012XSE has nice beveled holes and cost less. Thank You In advance for addressing these concerns,

[DuckRyder]

I don't think that the manufacturing / repair facility and customer service are in the same location. You might want to send that letter to customer service and then place a copy of it with a very concise listing of your complaints as a cover letter so that nothing gets over looked.

Something like:


The dust cover rails are not the same thickness.
Inside the dust cover there are rough machining marks
The right front lower part the slide to has a rub mark where (after only 75 rounds) the bluing is worn away.
The feed ramp on the frame has an area on the lower portion did not get blended in well and is now a catch area for fouling.
The national match barrel on the lower right area under the throat area and near the throat area there is a unfinished/unblended burr or rough spot in that area also.
The barrel bushing is not very tight fitting at all.
The grip screws were not beveled into the grips causing them to crack slightly at the outer edges of the holes.


I understand the wish to vent, but in my opinion, the less digging through a letter for the issues the guy who writes the repair order has to do the less chance something gets over looked. Just state the facts and let them diagnose.

I know it is frustrating to get one that needs to go back, but the simple fact of life is that people and machines both make mistakes. QC probably should have caught it but they did not. So what you are left with is a pistol that needs to go back, frustrating I know, but it happens. Send it in and expect that it will be gone between 30 and 45 days. Getting upset, mad and frustrated will only accomplish you being upset, mad and frustrated while sending it in and waiting 30-45 days.

[paul45]

vashooter.....use concise bullet points as DuckRyder says........too many words and no paragraphs in your letter. Kinda confusing to try and read.

[vashooter]

Duck and Paul... you both make a good point. Customer service will most likely not read it. So I will bullet the letter. Thank you. I guess I was venting a little but I wasn't mad just wanted to let them what I expected. Duckryder I hope you don't mind but i plagiarized your bullets and they are now in the letter instead.....I liked it that much and I know it took you some time to compose, but I just copied and pasted it into my letter ;) Floyd

[DuckRyder]

Duckryder I hope you don't mind but i plagiarized your bullets and they are now in the letter instead.....I liked it that much ..... ;) Floyd

Of course not, they are in fact your points which I just extracted from your original letter, just make sure that I did not miss anything :)

[vashooter]

Of course not, they are in fact your points which I just extracted from your original letter, just make sure that I did not miss anything :)
Nope ..... you were thorough and to the point.....Thank you...... :) Floyd

[vashooter]

Update: Call tag from Colt came today...fedex overnight shipping...thirty minutes later my pistol was gone :sd: Colt really stepped up with the call tag and picking up the bill. Fedex was Johnny on the spot with the pickup too. Now we wait..... Floyd

[daveohno]

Isn't it nice that there are helpful people here? I always admire someone that can condense a letter and make it more readable. It takes me forever to do so.

And then there are the people with 4 words and a comma that explain it all! :eb:

[Pac757]

Update: Call tag from Colt came today...fedex overnight shipping...thirty minutes later my pistol was gone :sd: Colt really stepped up with the call tag and picking up the bill. Fedex was Johnny on the spot with the pickup too. Now we wait..... Floyd


Hi Floyd, Just Curious, How long was it between the time you first called Colt about the problem, and the FedEx tag showed up?

[vashooter]

Isn't it nice that there are helpful people here? I always admire someone that can condense a letter and make it more readable. It takes me forever to do so.

And then there are the people with 4 words and a comma that explain it all! :eb:
That is why I love this site so much. THere are people here from all walks of life. Plus they are always helpful even when you step in a mess. I was a little upset with the quality of the pistol but, I tore it down at the dealer to take a look at both of them he had. Believe me when I tell you I did pick the better of the two, kinda sad isn't it. :( PAC from the time I called Colt it was three days from Monday to Thursday to get the call tag. Probably went out late Monday from Colt and got here Thursday morning. Why? Are you shipping one back? Floyd

[wjkuleck]

Isn't it nice that there are helpful people here? I always admire someone that can condense a letter and make it more readable. It takes me forever to do so.

And then there are the people with 4 words and a comma that explain it all! :eb:

Were I to be sending the pistol back, I would print out a copy of the bullet points, roll up the paper and stick it down the barrel. I'd take another copy, fold it up, and stick it in the magazine well. I might also stick some masking tape on the grips such that an arrow pointing to the damage with the description of the damage.

Come to think of it, I would stick a strip of tape on the slide, draw an arrow and write on the tape, "The frame is rubbing on the slide here."

Finally, I'd put my phone number on the copies of the bullet points, and on the masking tape too, with, "Call me for any questions."

One or more of these notices should survive the trip to the guy or gal who actually works on the pistol. You cannot over-communicate in situations like this, or so I feel.

Regards,

Walt

[dep2386]

My Combat Elite came back today. Nice job on the checkering. They even polished the frame. However, the slide still showed wear marks from either them not refinishing the slide or not addressing the original problem. The slide to frame fit is still not right. I called customer service and I just finished a second letter to General Keys stating my continued disatisfaction with his company. Colt is sending a call tag for this shipping. They didn't reimburse me yet for the original shipping as they couldn't find a receipt. I wonder what will happen next.

[WhoaCowboy]

I received a phone call from Beverly Haynes Thursday am. She said she had received the letter I had sent to Cindy La Pointe re: my CE. She said she was the new CS Head rep. ( see my post personnel changes at Colt) Since my gun was sent via gun shop FFL, she wanted the name so she could check on the status of the repair...my letter also had a copy of the letter I sent in with the CE..will keep u all posted when I hear or see more..Hunter I again told her I was following the QC issue closely on M1911 forum..that she would be seeing a number of CE with similar issues, etc,etc...I said we were all die hard Colt"s fans but were VERY Concerned about what was happening!!!

[kenhwind]

I looked at a Combat Elite at a gunshow and I thought; Wow! I had two XSE Lightweight Commanders and they were nice pistols. right now I am not so sure about this new Colt, and I am a Colt guy through and through.

[LAHOT]

vasshooter,

Looks like I posted on the wrong thread (1970).

I looked at the picture you posted and my new Colt XSE Combat Commander ss, has the same rub, in the same place on the same side as yours, after my first day at the range.

This is my first new Colt pistol, do most pistols not make similar rubs? Should I send mine back too? Sorry I am a rookie in this area.

[WhoaCowboy]

LAHOT

read the E-Zine review of the CE by Hunter and then follow that thread to supplement this one

[vashooter]

vasshooter,

Looks like I posted on the wrong thread (1970).

I looked at the picture you posted and my new Colt XSE Combat Commander ss, has the same rub, in the same place on the same side as yours, after my first day at the range.

This is my first new Colt pistol, do most pistols not make similar rubs? Should I send mine back too? Sorry I am a rookie in this area.
This is one of the Combat Elite threads but, I have an 04012XSE combat commander also and I haven't seen a substantial rub mark yet.....but if it does it will go back to Colt also. I need to shoot it some more to see if it will rub or not. I was so busy shooting my second new pistol that the commander got sort of set-back until I can get this CE straight. It should NOT rub :nono: I would call and send it back and have them make it right. I know aprrox. what a XSE commander sells for and that is unacceptable IMO. Floyd

[Ric4509]

In addition to the rub marks on my CE XSE that I have not addressed with Colt, the rear sight started to move to the left again. I thought Colt had fixed the problem when I dropped by the factory to have their product services fix it. Yesterday, I shot 100 rds of 230 gr CCI Blazers and no wonder I can't hit the center of the target. I think I've had it with Colt.

[vashooter]

In addition to the rub marks on my CE XSE that I have not addressed with Colt, the rear sight started to move to the left again. I thought Colt had fixed the problem when I dropped by the factory to have their product services fix it. Yesterday, I shot 100 rds of 230 gr CCI Blazers and no wonder I can't hit the center of the target. I think I've had it with Colt.
Where do you live so that you can drive by and drop off a pistol to Colt? I would love to be that close so I could just do the same thing. Are you in Ct.? Sorry to hear about your problems with the pistol. But it seems like a plethora (new word) of pistols have some issue or another. I counted eight cosmetic and fitting problems on a NIB pistol. I found one more as I was getting ready to ship it. It was so obvious that I did not even look for it. The rear of the slide overhangs the frame by a good margin. Still....I loved the way it shot and just want it fixed properly, but it should have NEVER left the factory if QC was even halfway looking at the pistol. Some were glaring defects. Floyd

[Ric4509]

Where do you live so that you can drive by and drop off a pistol to Colt? I would love to be that close so I could just do the same thing. Are you in Ct.? Sorry to hear about your problems with the pistol. But it seems like a plethora (new word) of pistols have some issue or another. I counted eight cosmetic and fitting problems on a NIB pistol. I found one more as I was getting ready to ship it. It was so obvious that I did not even look for it. The rear of the slide overhangs the frame by a good margin. Still....I loved the way it shot and just want it fixed properly, but it should have NEVER left the factory if QC was even halfway looking at the pistol. Some were glaring defects. Floyd

I sure am in CT, 10 miles away from the factory. I have brought the CE to the factory the 1st time I fired the pistol and showed them the rear sight had moved almost falling off the slide. I waited for about 40 minutes, the rear sight looked to have been replaced until this Saturday when I fired 100 rds. Very frustrating. I love the way it shoots, very accurate if the rear sight stays in place. No malfunction whatsoever. I'm now thinking of replacing the sight with a Heinie, or bring it back to Colt. I readjusted the rear sight and used loctite to put the screw in place. I'll see what happens this Saturday, again. Maybe it'll serve better as paper weight. I'll write a letter to Colt's president and see what happens.

[paul45]

The rear of the slide overhangs the frame by a good margin.

Sorry to hear that. I posted in my thread about looking at a new CE as well, with the same issue.

[vashooter]

Actually Paul I was looking at your post when I found it!! I was so involved in looking at the other defects that I never checked and took for granted when I initially tore the pistol apart at the gunshop to even look for the overhang. So when I was boxing it up I looked and sure enough there it was......thanks?? Kind of funny that they have the same issues from one to another. I guess consistency in defects means they just kept on producing defects..... :D seriously though...Thank you!!

[vashooter]

Just an update : called Colt on 2-19-09 spoke to CS agent Karen, she gave me my order/repair number and even though they have had the pistol a week, she said call back on 2-25-09 and see where it was in the evaluation process. That's all folks ;) Floyd

[Ric4509]

Update on my CE rear sight - After I readjusted and placed loctite on the set screw the sight did not move after firing 50 rds. I guess she won't be a paper weight anymore.

[WhoaCowboy]

Received repair order today. Order dated 2/14/09. (Sent on 2/3/09 to Colt's)

Redo white dots.Repair slide rubs receiver. Check slide for factory specs.

Need by 4/13/09

Will keep you all posted.

[dep2386]

My Combat Elite arrived in Hartford,on Friday for its second trip back to fix the slide rub problem. I also sent a second letter to the president of Colt. In my letter, I told I appreciated the efforts Karen has made to help my problem. I did ask him what steps he was going to take to address my continuing problem. I will keep everyone advised.

[TacDoc]

Received repair order today. Order dated 2/14/09. (Sent on 2/3/09 to Colt's)

Redo white dots.Repair slide rubs receiver. Check slide for factory specs.

Need by 4/13/09

Will keep you all posted.

Hey WC collegue,

Thanks for the update.

What you received, a letter, email, phone call?

What does "need by 4/13/2009" means? Your return date?

TD

[WhoaCowboy]

TacDoc

I first received a phone call since I sent my CE through my FFL and the head of CS wanted to respond to my letter addressed to customer service. She said she would look for my received gun. Then I received the above mentioned letter. "Need by" was their date . I assume it is a Colt's code for completion of repair or return date. I'll keep you posted.

[TacDoc]

^^^ Bump to the top.

Anyone else have received a letter or phone call from Colt?

My CE was received at Hartford on 02/09/2009 and Daren Williams signed for it.

Still no Repair Order for me (not in my address nor my FFL's address).


Please reply with your current updates in order to keep track here how Colt is dealing with this issue.

TD

[kenhwind]

My brother sent his Defender back. The WO took a couple of weeks. N/C. Its seems to me that it took a while, too long in my opinion, to get it back.

I inadvertantly fired my Colt SAA before the cylinder was locked and bulged the cylinder. sent it back, got WO, payment needed. Short of cash I called, no problem. A week later Colt called are you going to send payment. "I did" "Oh we have it check no xxx, when the check posts we will start repairs" It must have taken almost 2 weeks for the check to clear. Now patiently waiting.

Ken

[vashooter]

Tomorrow the 25th will be almost two weeks to the date from Colt Receiving my CE which started this thread. I am supposed to call them in the A.M. to see , who, what, why, where we are in this repair process. I am not complaining but two weeks is a long time just to get to this point IMO. The saga continues........ :p Floyd

[vashooter]

1.The slide is overhanging on the rear of the frame 2.The dust cover rails are not the same thickness.
3.Inside the dust cover there are rough machining marks
4.The right front lower part the slide to has a rub mark where (after only 75 rounds) the bluing is worn away.
5.The feed ramp on the frame has an area on the lower portion did not get blended in well and is now a catch area for fouling.
6.The national match barrel on the lower right area under the throat area and near the throat area there is a unfinished/unblended burr or rough spot in that area also.
7.The barrel bushing is not very tight fitting at all.
8.The grip screws were not beveled into the grips causing them to crack slightly at the outer edges of the holes.
After speaking to Karen in CS on the 25th (who was a little trite and snippy) I was told that all items above were to be addressed except for the dustcover rails which were in spec. according to Colt. Not on the the computer checksheet were the ugly machining marks inside the dustcover and the barrel unblended burr under the right of the throat. After I asked that these be added to the list I was satisfied. Now going on three weeks for a almost 1,000 dollar pistol which should have been right from the get go. I am really rethinking my next 1911 purchase carefully. The saga continues..... ;) Floyd

[myanof]

1.The slide is overhanging on the rear of the frame 2.The dust cover rails are not the same thickness.
3.Inside the dust cover there are rough machining marks
4.The right front lower part the slide to has a rub mark where (after only 75 rounds) the bluing is worn away.
5.The feed ramp on the frame has an area on the lower portion did not get blended in well and is now a catch area for fouling.
6.The national match barrel on the lower right area under the throat area and near the throat area there is a unfinished/unblended burr or rough spot in that area also.
7.The barrel bushing is not very tight fitting at all.
8.The grip screws were not beveled into the grips causing them to crack slightly at the outer edges of the holes.
After speaking to Karen in CS on the 25th (who was a little trite and snippy) I was told that all items above were to be addressed except for the dustcover rails which were in spec. according to Colt. Not on the the computer checksheet were the ugly machining marks inside the dustcover and the barrel unblended burr under the right of the throat. After I asked that these be added to the list I was satisfied. Now going on three weeks for a almost 1,000 dollar pistol which should have been right from the get go. I am really rethinking my next 1911 purchase carefully. The saga continues..... ;) Floyd

Floyd, sit back and take a deep breadth or you will give yourself a heart attack. I sent my series 70 in on 12/4/08 and got it back on 2/11/09. That did include a two week holiday close period. One day I called to check on the status of my repair and they said my gun was at the range for test firing. Two weeks later I called and they said my gun was being fired for testing today. :confused: Go figure.

Unfortunately my gun was shipped back to CS this week because it was not properly fixed. BTW, my advice is to stick with Karen, and be nice to her as she seems to be the best CS rep they have. With what she is facing everyday I understand snippy. I just hope she doesn't quit before my gun is fixed.

Hang in there partner. Hopefully we will all be smiling soon.

[vashooter]

Im good :) I am just getting everyone a timeline on how the repair process progresses to give them hope :D Also I am not worried about it. I know they will do the job right with my ummm help? The new Commander I bought is also my plaything right now and we are having fun till the CE comes home. :eb: Floyd

[TacDoc]

Got my Repair Order from Colt.

Order Date: 2/13/2009
Need By: 4/12/2009

Repair slide rubs receiver. Adj. to fac. specs. Test for function.

PLEASE NOTE RECEIVER RAILS AND SLIDE ARE IN FAC. SPECS.


Now Im concerned. I hope they dont just dremmel the slide and/or dustcover and refinish... I was hoping for at least a new slide properly fitted to the frame.

Where can I find the Colt factory specs for a 1911 Goverment model?

I used as reference the Jerry Kuhnhausen Shop Manual Vol. 1 and measured the slide and receiver rails using a dial caliper. Both were not up to spec, at least as compared with the specs Kuhnhausen states in his book. Tolerances in my Combat Elite were greater than what is stated in the manual.

Now what? I just patiently wait FOR TWO MONTHS and hope for a miracle...

[myanof]

TacDoc-don't worry at this point. When I sent my Series 70 in for the famous slide rub my repair order said "Repair Slide Rubs Receiver". When I got the final repair order signed off "Replaced Slide" was hand written on the order. That's the good news. Unfortunately my gun is back again, because the new slide did the same thing. The new Repair Order says "Repair Slide rubs receiver".

Hopefully Colt will fix your slide on the first try, and I really hope they fix mine on the second try. I am trying to get in touch with Dick Welch who is responsible for managing my project.

Good Luck, and let us know what happens.

[eng208]

TacDoc, looks like we are on the same schedule. I got my repair order on Fri, said the same thing. Called Colt on Monday and was told it would be about 30 days. It was in polishing.? The real problem is the frame to slide fit. The rails are not cut right I believe.

[Pac757]

Tomorrow the 25th will be almost two weeks to the date from Colt Receiving my CE which started this thread. I am supposed to call them in the A.M. to see , who, what, why, where we are in this repair process. I am not complaining but two weeks is a long time just to get to this point IMO. The saga continues........ :p Floyd

Hi Floyd, I was reading over this post again, and It looks like it's not just Colt with the lack of information for weeks on end. My Para has been sitting in TN for 3 weeks, not a word, no phone call, no letter, no e-mail. I am sending out my CE to Colt today, if I hear from them inside of 3 weeks I'll be happy.

[vashooter]

Pac I know how you feel ...My CE left my hands on the 13th of February. It is now the 6th of March and all I have is a repair order saying that they will fix it. How long?.........THe saga continues. Good Luck to all who have their loved ones in Colt's hospital. :D Floyd

[vashooter]

Update: talked with Karin Pike and she e-mailed me as to where my pistol was in the process. It is being worked on by a smith and it should be at the test firing in a week or so. She said if I do not have it in two weeks to call back. Almost a month to the day now. Floyd

[myanof]

Update: talked with Karin Pike and she e-mailed me as to where my pistol was in the process. It is being worked on by a smith and it should be at the test firing in a week or so. She said if I do not have it in two weeks to call back. Almost a month to the day now. Floyd

Karin is a very popular lady. I talk to her frequently about my Series 70, which has been at the Colt Hospital since 2/23 for the second time. Karin possesses a rare talent that allows her to see the same problems over and over with the same types of products, but she makes you feel like your particular situation is unique and important. It takes a very special person to do her job. Colt is lucky to have her.

[vashooter]

Karin is a very popular lady. I talk to her frequently about my Series 70, which has been at the Colt Hospital since 2/23 for the second time. Karin possesses a rare talent that allows her to see the same problems over and over with the same types of products, but she makes you feel like your particular situation is unique and important. It takes a very special person to do her job. Colt is lucky to have her.
I agree totally and even gave her a nice e-mail back on how well she treated me. :) Floyd

[myanof]

I agree totally and even gave her a nice e-mail back on how well she treated me. :) Floyd

Now if we could just get Colt to fix our guns life would be good.

[FrankD45]

You guys are scaring me. ;)

I just bought my very first Colt, a Gold Cup Trophy in Stainless with the polished flats. I put 30 rounds of 230 gr FMJ handloads through it flawlessly. I then followed with my last 15 200 gr LCSWC. All functioned perfectly and both loads ended up printing slightly left of POA at 10 yards. I was really pleased with it until I read this thread. Now I am examining the slide with a magnifying glass looking for wear marks (none so far).

I noticed that most of the issues you have had were with the Combat Elite. Does this mean the GC is fit better? Just curious.

Frank

[wjkuleck]

I agree totally and even gave her a nice e-mail back on how well she treated me. :) Floyd

Ask her for her boss's e-mail so you can copy her or him!

Regards,

Walt

[myanof]

You guys are scaring me. ;)

I just bought my very first Colt, a Gold Cup Trophy in Stainless with the polished flats. I put 30 rounds of 230 gr FMJ handloads through it flawlessly. I then followed with my last 15 200 gr LCSWC. All functioned perfectly and both loads ended up printing slightly left of POA at 10 yards. I was really pleased with it until I read this thread. Now I am examining the slide with a magnifying glass looking for wear marks (none so far).

I noticed that most of the issues you have had were with the Combat Elite. Does this mean the GC is fit better? Just curious.

Frank

From what I have seen most problems seem to be on the new Combat Elite and Series 70 Reissue.

[FrankD45]

Thanks for the reply, that does put me at ease. The GC shoots so well it would be a shame to have cosmetic issues with it.

Frank

[TacDoc]

I agree totally and even gave her a nice e-mail back on how well she treated me. :) Floyd

Mind to share her email?

Im sure many members here (including me) will benefit from email comunication with Colt CS instead of the usual loooooong "on hold" phone waiting.

[vashooter]

Mind to share her email?

Im sure many members here (including me) will benefit from email comunication with Colt CS instead of the usual loooooong "on hold" phone waiting.
Nope don't mind a bit and she will probably get back to you quicker if you give her your Work order # and such so here is the info....kpike@colt.com

[vashooter]

Ask her for her boss's e-mail so you can copy her or him!

Regards,

Walt Not the boss but this lady is the front office secretary and she can get you in touch with General Keyes if you have a problem or just about anyone else I am sure....smoniello@colt.com. :D Floyd

[vashooter]

You guys are scaring me. ;)

I just bought my very first Colt, a Gold Cup Trophy in Stainless with the polished flats. I put 30 rounds of 230 gr FMJ handloads through it flawlessly. I then followed with my last 15 200 gr LCSWC. All functioned perfectly and both loads ended up printing slightly left of POA at 10 yards. I was really pleased with it until I read this thread. Now I am examining the slide with a magnifying glass looking for wear marks (none so far).

I noticed that most of the issues you have had were with the Combat Elite. Does this mean the GC is fit better? Just curious.

FrankIf you look through some of the threads it seems to be the newer production runs of pistols ...which most of us attribute to the new CNC machinery. We could be wrong, but even some other pistols other than the CE have had issues. I hope your's got missed ....mine and several others took a hit and are in the Colt hospital. :D Floyd

[dep2386]

My Combat Elite came back yesterday. This was the second trip. It was gone about a month. The slide was replaced and now appears to be properly fitted in the frame. I will go shoot it tommorrow to see if the problem has been fixed.

[WhoaCowboy]

Karen emailed me after inquiry today that my CE shipped on the 18th. Since it is going to my dealer I may not get it till Monday or so. Will keep you posted

[WhoaCowboy]

Right after my previous post I called my FFL to let him know the CE was shipped. For some unknown reason I checked my front door and found a Fedex attempt to deliver notice. Since I was off today I was not a happy camper to have missed the delivery. I was probably getting hay in town, etc. in the a.m. or later in the day I was on a training trail ride. So after a 2 hour round trip to Fedex I have my CE back. Hand written on repair order:repair slide rub receiver,redo white dots, adj. slide to receiver, adj. funcs to fact.specs . Fire test ok with our mag. I did a quick look see, inside of dustcover is smooth, no residual machine marks like originally there where I had lightly sanded. Its late. I'm tired. Gonna make my lunch and set my alarm for 4:45 am. I work tomorrow and a training trail ride is scheduled in the Tonto National Forest on Saturday...I'll go to the range etc with the CE later this week. I'll also see my FFL to square up his paperwork and do a 4473 and pay him for shipping to Colt via USPS Priority Mail.

[vashooter]

Dep and Cowboy....Keep us posted on the repairs and how they shoot after their trip to the Colt Hospital if you would. :D Floyd

[WhoaCowboy]

I went to the range yesterday after a long training/trail ride with my younger horse. I was quite tired and so were my arms. The rub marks are gone. I'm sure they relieved the inside of the dust cover. It is visibly thinner on the relieved side. I never checked it face on before I sent it in so I cannot be sure of the original thickness. The gun has and still functions flawlessly. No FTF,FTE,nada.The sight dots were repaired. Aesthetically the gun looks beautiful.When I do my part the gun does the rest. The guys shooting next to me asked what type of gun I was shooting. When I mentioned a new Colt's CE they smiled. The pony still has that mystique, that special something for fellow shooters. The guy in the lane to my immediate right said that with his viewing angle and the individual targets lights shining down he said he could see the bullets going through the same hole. He said why bother shooting any more ammo, it doesn't get any better than this.

I don't think the repair process was ideal. I cannot see Colt giving everyone new receivers and slides. My CE is going into my CQC holster as my open carry gun. The PT 1911 will be a backup. I think I'll replace the beautiful rosewood grips with a more utilitarian set for daily use. There may be a new Commander in the future, who knows? I wish all my fellow CE owners Happy Returns when they get their guns back. I'm going to get back to my ridin' and shootin'...I've attached a couple of photos:Shooting was at five and 10 yards. My CE with some of its cousins. Not the best lighting or camera.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii450/WhoaCowboy8/postrepairtarget.jpg
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii450/WhoaCowboy8/S2010061.jpg

[FrankD45]

Well my initial relief has been somewhat tempered. After putting about 100 rounds down range I noticed a scuff where the slide is rubbing the dust cover. The scuff is on the lower right as you hold the gun and point it downrange. I spoke to my pusher and he told me to call Colt CS and ask for a call tag to be sent to him so that he can return it to them. I measured the thickness of the dust cover sides and found them to be close however, the barrel and slide seem to be positioned to the right as you look from the breech toward the muzzle. In short, to my old untrained eye, it looks like the frame is OK but the barrel and slide are out of position.

I will call and email Colt in the morning and see what they think.

Frank

[dep2386]

I went to the range. Due to an on-duty hand injury, I was shooting weak hand only. I had fired about 44 rounds when the rear sight fell off. The range owner used blue loctite to fix the problem. He said the set screw had not been tightened all the way down. I was impressed with the accuracy and functioning of the pistol. There was no sign of any marks on the slide. I fired 100 rounds with no problems.

[vashooter]

Great to hear the good news fellows...I have my fingers crossed still waiting for mine. Oh i forgot to mention that I sent General Keys a personal letter of sorts about the issues we are seeing. No response as of yet. Hmmmm ;) Floyd

[vashooter]

Wow How time flies when your pistol is still at Colt. It has now been a month and a half since the date of pickup. Anyone elses take this long for a repair to get done? :sleep: Floyd

[WhoaCowboy]

CE received by Colt's 2/3. Shipped out 3/18.

[kenhwind]

About a month after my check cleared to get my S.A.A. back, maybe a little more. I was lucky on the day I called a Friday, they sais it was being shipped out that day. Of course I didn't receive it until Monday. And it took about two weeks for the check to be posted at my bank. Six weeks, plus the week it took me to send them my payment, my fault. They had the gun since Dec, but were closed for the Holidays.

They charged me $238 dollars to install a new cylinder and $ 30 to return ship. I couldn't fix it myself for that price.

[myanof]

Wow How time flies when your pistol is still at Colt. It has now been a month and a half since the date of pickup. Anyone elses take this long for a repair to get done? :sleep: Floyd

Mine was shipped to Colt on 2/23 and I got it back on 3/20.

[TacDoc]

Wow How time flies when your pistol is still at Colt. It has now been a month and a half since the date of pickup. Anyone elses take this long for a repair to get done? :sleep: Floyd

Probably they are still deciding if you get a new fitted slide or a dremmel job ;) .

Im still waiting for my CE as well.

[WhoaCowboy]

Mine was shipped to Colt on 2/23 and I got it back on 3/20.

Almost identical in shop time

[vashooter]

Probably they are still deciding if you get a new fitted slide or a dremmel job ;) .

Im still waiting for my CE as well.
You too Huh?? I hope I get the new fitted frame to slide. I feel that the frame was drilled offcenter as well as the other 7 problems with the pistol. Not counting the slide rubbing problem, the slide overhanging the frame etc. etc. :eek: Good luck on yours Floyd

[Nighthawk756]

Any updates VA?? I'm watching this thread since I've really been considering a CE.

[Ric4509]

No disrespect, if I were you I'd skip getting a CE.
#1 - Colt has not improved the assembly or quality of how the pistols are assembled or producted. My friend bought a recently made CE, we're local, #2 the rear sight was loose, #3 the plunger tube's loose, and of course the #4 drag mark on the right side of the slide where the dust cover meets the slide.

[TacDoc]

My FFL dealer received my CE back from Colt last week. I was out of town for the weekend and just pick it up yesterday.

I DID NOT got a new slide..., but the slide/dust cover rub dissapeared. The recoil spring plug hole is centered. For some reason I dont understand the slide/frame fit improved somewhat and the slide path is straight now. At simple sight both sides of the dust cover appear to be of the same width (I have not measured this with a caliper yet).

I will detail strip it today and test fire it this next weekend.

On a side note, I got a polished ramp and they repainted the sights (this extras were not stated in the work order). As always I received the CE plenty lubricated (almost dripping oil) and with powder residues that confirm it was test fired. I did not noticed this before, but the blue box label states "O Package".

The Work Order just states "SLIDE RUB REPAIRED AND RETURNED TO FACTORY SPECS".

As of now Im pleased with the repair. Lets see what happens during the test fire.

Anyone here (paging Hunter) knows from firsthand what methods Colt uses to fit a (not new) slide to frame?

[WhoaCowboy]

Amigo,

Glad to hear you received your CE back from Colt's. I 've been waiting for yours and Floyd's to be returned. After repairing my sights, they must have figured do them all. I did not notice the feed ramp polish but did not look closely. Could you post a picture of your blue case label. I'd like to compare. If you actually have a cardboard box instead of the Colt blue plastic case, then the gun should have originated in the Custom Shop. Hope you have a satisfactory range session and keep us posted.

[vashooter]

At 1400 hours today EST(2:00 pm for you civilians) Fed ex knocked on my door as I was getting ready for work with a rectangular package from COLT!! It's back......After I got home from work I field stripped the pistol and checked it out with a magnifying glass :) ......and upon looking found the repair note...as folows....... Repair rubs, polish breech face, replaced barrel, replaced grips (also they are countersunk very nicely now) polish bbl ramp and receiver ramp, adjust to factory specs and functions. Also gone is the slide overhanging the rear of the frame and I have a very strong suspicion that is a new slide. The old slide had a distinct line in it on the bluing. Also I polish my pistols with a protectant called Armadillo. Armadillo gets into the cracks and crevices of the cocking serrations etc. and it was bone dry...nada...zip...nothing on the pistol. No line in the slide either!! :D Also the bushing is fitted very nice and tight to the barrel as it should be. All in all I am pretty happy. The true test will be when I get to shoot it this weekend hopefully. Is the saga over?? I hope so. cheers Floyd

[wybulldog19]

At 1400 hours today EST(2:00 pm for you civilians) Fed ex knocked on my door as I was getting ready for work with a rectangular package from COLT!! It's back......After I got home from work I field stripped the pistol and checked it out with a magnifying glass :) ......and upon looking found the repair note...as folows....... Repair rubs, polish breech face, replaced barrel, replaced grips (also they are countersunk very nicely now) polish bbl ramp and receiver ramp, adjust to factory specs and functions. Also gone is the slide overhanging the rear of the frame and I have a very strong suspicion that is a new slide. The old slide had a distinct line in it on the bluing. Also I polish my pistols with a protectant called Armadillo. Armadillo gets into the cracks and crevices of the cocking serrations etc. and it was bone dry...nada...zip...nothing on the pistol. No line in the slide either!! :D Also the bushing is fitted very nice and tight to the barrel as it should be. All in all I am pretty happy. The true test will be when I get to shoot it this weekend hopefully. Is the saga over?? I hope so. cheers Floyd
Floyd,

I just received my new CE, shot it, 51 bullets worth, and the rear sight fell on the floor! I am also noticing a very faint slide rub issue as discussed previously. I was just wondering what the turn around time was from when you called Colt, received the call tag and received your CE back? Just trying ot get an idea of how onf this process takes.

Thanking you in advance.

[WhoaCowboy]

Loctite for the first problem. Check previous posts, threads for CE turnaround times. Best of luck.

[vashooter]

Floyd,

I just received my new CE, shot it, 51 bullets worth, and the rear sight fell on the floor! I am also noticing a very faint slide rub issue as discussed previously. I was just wondering what the turn around time was from when you called Colt, received the call tag and received your CE back? Just trying ot get an idea of how onf this process takes.

Thanking you in advance.
As cowboy said it is in the post's but here is my repair time Call tag received 2-10 09...gun sent 2-12-09..... received 4-14-09 a little over two months. Hope this helps. Also look over the pistol for any defects that are mentioned on this post by me and others. Floyd

[WhoaCowboy]

Here are photos of my CE post repair for slide rub etc. After shooting a box or so I noticed this rub/discoloration area. Any ideas? TacDoc/Floyd does it appear that the feed ramp was polished? Let me know after shooting yours this weekend. Floyd it seems like your gun had the most done to it.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii450/WhoaCowboy8/S2010008-1.jpg
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii450/WhoaCowboy8/S2010007.jpg
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii450/WhoaCowboy8/S2010006.jpg

[WhoaCowboy]

Here is a larger photo:
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii450/WhoaCowboy8/S2010008-2.jpg
http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii450/WhoaCowboy8/S2010007-1.jpg

[vashooter]

I would be checking the bottom of my barrel where it meets the feed ramp. That is where it looks like it is rubbing. Also check the link and link pin, lugs etc. for any abnormal stressing too. JMO. When things slow down soon I will post pics of my repairs. Yes my feed ramp was polished and so was the barrel ramp? Colt terminolgy not mine...... ;) Floyd

[TacDoc]

WhoaCowboy, you got a polished ramp indeed.

I posted a quick review of my repaired CE here: http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=67342

[WhoaCowboy]

WhoaCowboy, you got a polished ramp indeed.

I posted a quick review of my repaired CE here: http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=67342

Followed your report. They did pretty much the same to mine I believe. Definitely polished inside of dust cover too. My wall thickness may not be as symmetrical after relieving but I do not have a Mic to measure. Got a lot going on ( work) plus a travel meeting next week. Will post more when I can.

[vashooter]

Ok updated .......got to shoot it and it is super accurate. No rubbing anywhere and no problems feeding /extracting. All is great. Kudos for Colt fixing it up the right way. Cowboy.....I tore mine down after the range session and had no marks like that on mine. Also the inside of my dustcover in the original photos was mucked up and unpolished. Now it is a nice even polish job. All in all except for the return of a new pistol I am a satisfied customer. However I am waiting for Colt to get their problems ironed out before I buy another one. :D Floyd

[WhoaCowboy]

Floyd,

Glad all worked out well. Ditto for mine except for that area. See Tacdoc's new thread too. I checked the area more closely. Barrel area that would contact this spot does not show anything for now.Hopefully will shoot some more this weekend. They pretty much did to mine what they did to Tacdoc's. Inside of dustcover polished out now along with feed ramp etc. will keep you posted of any new findings..let's throw some lead!

[myanof]

That's really good news Floyd. I'm with you when you say you would buy more, but you are willing to wait till Colt get's their act straight. As much as I like Colts, I don't want to go through this routine every time I buy a new gun.

[WhoaCowboy]

That's really good news Floyd. I'm with you when you say you would buy more, but you are willing to wait till Colt get's their act straight. As much as I like Colts, I don't want to go through this routine every time I buy a new gun.

Hunter has posted elsewhere that his sources at Colt's say the problem has been taken care of. There is supposed to be a new run of CE's coming to market soon. We'll see how they are accepted. There have been very positive reports on the New Agents and other Model O's.

[Nighthawk756]

No disrespect, if I were you I'd skip getting a CE.
#1 - Colt has not improved the assembly or quality of how the pistols are assembled or producted. My friend bought a recently made CE, we're local, #2 the rear sight was loose, #3 the plunger tube's loose, and of course the #4 drag mark on the right side of the slide where the dust cover meets the slide.

No disrespect taken.

Personally....I would be using it for a carry weapon. So the asthetics is not near as big of a concern for me. For 900 bucks, a gun that shoots as well as everyone says their's does, a few minor cosmetic issues isn't a big deal to me. Since carrying it will most likely result in some cosmetic issues anyway.

If I've read completely, everyone with issues have reported great accuracy. That's my main concern for a carry.

I still haven't fully decided on this one yet but it's still on my list.

[vashooter]

No disrespect taken.

Personally....I would be using it for a carry weapon. So the asthetics is not near as big of a concern for me. For 900 bucks, a gun that shoots as well as everyone says their's does, a few minor cosmetic issues isn't a big deal to me. Since carrying it will most likely result in some cosmetic issues anyway.

If I've read completely, everyone with issues have reported great accuracy. That's my main concern for a carry.

I still haven't fully decided on this one yet but it's still on my list.
We understand completely really.....but the Combat Elite is a symbol of a Colt Pistol that should have had a lot of attention paid to it before it left the factory, as well as other models with minor cosmetic issues. Personally if I buy a new car I don't want to see dented fenders and scratches in the finish. I expect a new nice shiny piece of equipment that I can cherish for a long time that is reliable. I think that some of us felt the same way about the problems we had. If someone else puts dings in my car "I ain't happy" If i put them there I still ain't happy but, I put them there. Reliable except for the dings on it......yes ........ accceptable no. But thats JMO. Good Luck in your search and welcome to the forum :) Floyd

[wetidlerjr]

Hunter has posted elsewhere that his sources at Colt's say the problem has been taken care of. There is supposed to be a new run of CE's coming to market soon...

I recently picked up a CE from my local dealer. He had it maybe a week so it may be in the new batch. It has no obvious faults and I have field stripped it but I have not shot it. :cool:

[KPSquared]

We understand completely really.....but the Combat Elite is a symbol of a Colt Pistol that should have had a lot of attention paid to it before it left the factory, as well as other models with minor cosmetic issues. Personally if I buy a new car I don't want to see dented fenders and scratches in the finish.

I agree. I would have sent my CE back to Colt but when I got it I was to be deployed to Iraq about 2 months later and didn't want to send in a pistol and not be able to get it. Alas, they have been kicking the can down the street and I am still here.

But I would have been dissatisfied if the fix for the slide rub was thinning out the dustcover walls...I believe that's curing the symptom, not the illness.

Yes, I want a CE without pitted plunger tube, rear slide overhang, slide rub but my pistol will keep these things. It was my first Colt 1911 and I learned so much about them from this pistol! I now know what to look for when purchasing these pistols now!!

Now saying that, it shoots great!!!...and seems to be super reliable and accurate. I've seen many nice looking 1911s on the range that would cough and sputter and although mine wouldn't have looked as nice I have more fun!

Still doens't excuse Colt for these issues. I don't know who was the final inspector but they should be fired.

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[WhoaCowboy]

I agree. I would have sent my CE back to Colt but when I got it I was to be deployed to Iraq about 2 months later and didn't want to send in a pistol and not be able to get it. Alas, they have been kicking the can down the street and I am still here.

But I would have been dissatisfied if the fix for the slide rub was thinning out the dustcover walls...I believe that's curing the symptom, not the illness.

Yes, I want a CE without pitted plunger tube, rear slide overhang, slide rub but my pistol will keep these things. It was my first Colt 1911 and I learned so much about them from this pistol! I now know what to look for when purchasing these pistols now!!

Now saying that, it shoots great!!!...and seems to be super reliable and accurate. I've seen many nice looking 1911s on the range that would cough and sputter and although mine wouldn't have looked as nice I have more fun!

Still doens't excuse Colt for these issues. I don't know who was the final inspector but they should be fired.

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Hey Kevin, Floyd and all: Been on the road and trying to keep up with the postings. Kevin the warranty is lifetime..so if and when you decide your CE needs attention, Colt's will be there for you. I don't think the slide rub will fall under cosmetic since they have been doing everything from grinding/polishing to a new slide depending on the severity/condition. It will be interesting to see if the new gun posted earlier is #1 from a new run and #2 are the problems fixed. BTW I flew out of PHX on a brand new Airbus 321. Its first commercial run. They had to take the safety demo stuff out of its plastic bag!! :scared: It did fly and make it to MCO. Smelled so new I thought I could still smell the glue. The 3 hour time difference is killing my diurnal rhythm. Back in the desert Sun pm. Take care ya'll..

[Nighthawk756]

We understand completely really.....but the Combat Elite is a symbol of a Colt Pistol that should have had a lot of attention paid to it before it left the factory, as well as other models with minor cosmetic issues. Personally if I buy a new car I don't want to see dented fenders and scratches in the finish. I expect a new nice shiny piece of equipment that I can cherish for a long time that is reliable. I think that some of us felt the same way about the problems we had. If someone else puts dings in my car "I ain't happy" If i put them there I still ain't happy but, I put them there. Reliable except for the dings on it......yes ........ accceptable no. But thats JMO. Good Luck in your search and welcome to the forum :) Floyd

No, my response was to Ric since he was saying not to consider this one. I was just giving my reasoning for why it's still on my list.

I absolutely understand everyone's reasons for sending it back. You should be very happy with your purchase of a weapon and Colt should bend over backwards to fix what should have been right in the first place. I was just giving my reasoning for still considering it, that's all. ;)