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Recon
8th August 2005, 22:04
Field Test of Kimber Team Match II in 45 ACP:

I’m a seasoned handgunner but this is my first 1911 and I chose it because it came with most of the features I wanted and was less expensive than purchasing a Stainless Gold Match and then adding the front strap checkering and magazine well. I plan to shoot this production pistol quite a bit and then move up to a custom made 1911.

Rounds fired to date: 5,233 reloads since Oct 2004, no factory ammunition fired.

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Break in Period:

With the exception of the ammunition, I complied with the break in procedure recommended by Kimber.

Instead of factory ball ammunition I used reloads. All loads were with hard cast lead SWC bullets in various weights and designs. I used mixed head stamp brass.

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Field stripped, cleaned and lubricated with Shooter’s Choice FP-10 every 150 rounds during break in.

I burned through the 500 round break in period in two weeks so I hardly even noticed except for stopping a little sooner to clean and lube. Personally, I much more interested in how it will perform over the long run with lots and lots of rounds through it. Typically, I’ll shoot allot more than 500 rounds just trying out different load combinations before settling on a standard load anyway.

I couldn’t detect any difference between the pistols current performance and how it worked during the break in period.

Cleaning and Maintenance:

After break in I field strip, clean and lube every 250 rounds. Lubricant is Shooter’s Choice FP-10.

Recoil spring changes are done every 1,800 rounds.

Despite the use of lead bullets the chamber and barrel remain conspicuously free of fouling compared to all of my other handguns. I’m guessing this is in part due to the match chamber and barrel.

Plan to do a detailed disassembly and cleaning at least once per year.

Magazines:

I’m using the chrome or nickel plated 8-round magazine that came with the gun plus two after market clips that have the same patent number and resemble Chip McCormick clips except that there are no markings on them other than the round count. No problems noted with the magazines.

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“Tactical Extractor”:

Doesn’t seem to be a problem with appropriate ammunition. Old and worn brass with beat up rims may allow the extractor to slip off the case occasionally. When using reasonably good brass no problems were encountered.

I do like how easy it is to remove the external extractor compared to my other external extractor handguns.

My fellow shooters pointed out that the Kimber throws brass consistently in the same area despite using mixed head stamp brass.

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“Loaded Chamber Indicator Port”:

This feature doesn’t seem to work. Despite clean and shinny brass in the chamber and direct sunlight I can’t tell that a round is in the chamber looking at the port.

“Premium Aluminum Trigger”:

Trigger pull out of the box measured 3 and 1/8 pounds. Small amount of creep but I don’t notice it on the range. For action shooting this pull weight works for me. If I was shooting for accuracy only I would prefer it to be somewhat lighter.

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Kimber Adjustable Sights:

I prefer adjustable sights because of my use of reloaded ammunition with a large variety of bullet weights and styles. The sights that came with the gun appear to be good. My preference would be for three white dots sights instead of the black blade and post but have no plans to change the sights.

Front Strap Checkering:

The front strap checkering seems to aid in maintaining my grip and I wish that the trigger guard had checkering on the bottom and front as well.

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Magazine well:

The gun came with this and it works well. I didn’t realize the advantage until I saw my fellow shooters doing reloads without one.

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Series II:

I haven’t been able to detect any problem with the type II safety system.

Accuracy:

Generally, speaking it will shoot about a 1.1” group center-to-center at 25 yards. I plan to develop some accuracy loads to see if I can improve on these results.

Breakdowns or repairs:

So far none nor have I been able to detect any signs of wear or other problems. After it’s been cleaned up you can’t tell it’s had several thousand rounds through it.

OVERALL CONCLUSION:

I’m pleased with the pistol's performance to date. I like the additional features the pistol came with and I’m glad I got them. Since I haven’t had any need to contact Kimber I can’t comment on customer service from the company.

Update:

June 2006

Recently passed the 5,000 round mark without a problem. Weather and range issues have kept shooting to a minimum for now. Hope to get several thousand rounds through it before the 2006 season ends.

45 auto
12th August 2005, 17:53
Nice job Recon. Looks like a keeper. You sure thats not my drybox? :)

Sandman1967
12th August 2005, 21:49
Very nice job and good pic's.
I am happy to here from other Kimber owners that are having good luck with there guns!

Recon
12th August 2005, 23:58
Nice job Recon. Looks like a keeper. You sure thats not my drybox? :)

45 Auto: LOL, Come to think of it your name is on the gun, the brass and the dry box. Now I know its actually your stuff. I just can't figure out how I ended up with all this stuff.

45 Auto & Sandman1967 thank you both for your comments. I wasn't really sure how to do a test report so I just did it.

Rgds.

matador
20th September 2005, 18:12
Very informative!Thanks!

geneinnc
7th December 2005, 21:50
mines a bit finicky on handloads with LWSC (FTF) but I have tons of surplus pulled & polished 230gr ball. accuaracy is outstanding. i WANT a twin in 38super.

John
8th December 2005, 02:21
Generally, speaking it will shoot about a 1.1” group center-to-center at 25 yards. I plan to develop some accuracy loads to see if I can improve on these results.

You plan to develop loads to improve on a 1.1" center-to-center grouping at 25 yards? What? Are you trying to put all bullets in the same hole? Gee, some people are never happy. And is that group off-hand or via a Ransom Rest? I would be happy if all my rounds were in a 1.1' at 25 yards off hand, LoL.

Recon
8th December 2005, 11:40
John:

The 1.1" group was shot off a home made rest on a bench. Off-hand slow fire groups grow to 1.5" to 2.0". I'm just interested in seeing how small I can get the group and how much difference various loads make on the group size. Considering this Kimber is a production gun I think it does pretty well.


geneinnc:

I haven't had any problem with FTF provided I keep the cartridge OAL with LSWC at 1.250" or so. Going shorter than that does reduce reliability with LSWC. The Kimber also prefers a case mouth diameter of .469".

John
12th December 2005, 07:48
Oh, OK, because when I first read that, I got so disappointed I almost lost every wish for shooting! :)

Bayareasrick
12th December 2005, 21:24
i bought the gold match II in comparing both. i love the front checkering but also wish they did the trigger guard as well. i went with the GMII because of the IMHO not so attractive grips... i know easy to change but the main thing for me was the highly polished sides on slide and frame as well as the IMO cheesy "team match" title since i am not a big olympic fan its cheeseball to me. i know some would love it.also the bottom of the mag well feature??? what for? looks?

i like how you documented everything and essentionally we do have the same gun and i love it too i am still breakin in though just 250 rnds and 2 cleanings so far..... i am not to worried bout the EE since i havnt had a single FTE or F yet (knock on wood)

geneinnc
12th December 2005, 21:33
The gun was not made for the Olympics. it's purpose was to be legal in as many matches possible, so the Team could get in as many matches under their belts as possible, before the Olympics. Kimber also donated $100 per gun to USA Shooting.

Bayareasrick
13th December 2005, 20:23
still says TEAM MATCH USA on it and it reminds me of the olympics, not tryin to dis just pointing out why I bought the GOLD MATCH instead of TEAM. You obviously prefer the TEAM and could say hoe mine is not that tight since it has no front strap checkering (im jealous, might ,might, send in to add as well as trigger gaurd but that could get expensive fast.

you didnt like the polished sides on the gold match? thats what truly did it for me, i was actually sold on the team was about to buy in stock and then i saw the gold match in catalog but had to have that one!!! i love it. iknow iknow i dont love my sword for how shiny but i also dont drive my car for the rims either but they sure are nice!!!

primersinmyshoe
26th December 2005, 11:59
How is the barrel? I have one rust pit on one of the lands. It came that way. The gun is a tack driver, so I will just keep it clean, and live with it.

Why do you change your recoil spring every 1,800 rounds?

geneinnc
26th December 2005, 12:04
springs get weak. 1500 to 2000 round replacement is a good number. 1911's can be tuned to lighter handloads with a lighter spring. Wolf springs has a selection of different weights. Kimber has the spring weight that comes in each model, on their web page

Recon
26th December 2005, 17:30
primersinmyshoe:

I haven't been able to detect any sort of flaw with the barrel so far.

I choose the 1,800 round recoil change interval based on the owner's manual. I think it suggests changing the spring every 1500 to 1800 rounds. Currently, I use the stock 16lb weight.

My understanding is that maintaining the recoil spring weight reduces wear and tear on the gun and possibly aides proper functioning.

bearboy
7th April 2006, 13:23
your experience is like mine with the team match no problems with the dreaded external extractor,unlike my pro carry.the only differences are i shoot all factory and you shoot better than i do.thanks for a nice report.

Allen H.
7th April 2006, 15:40
Just got my Team Match II. Haven't put a round through it yet...Tommorow!!
I am interested it what after market mags people are using, with good performance.

Thanks to all of you that have purchased the Team Match II. Our US Shooting team appreciates the donations that Kimber has made. Approaching $500,000.

Allen
Vice Chairman, USA Shooting

Recon
7th April 2006, 21:54
bearboy:

Thanks for reading my report. I appreciate your comments.

Regards...

Allen H:

I'm using the Kimber mag that came with the Team Match plus another two which are unmarked but appear to be Metalform. The factory clip gets a little tight when dirty and the other mags have worked flawlessly.

The mags do need to be kept clean for best performance in my experience. If you get mags that have a sealed base plate let me know and I'll explain how I disassemble them for cleaning.

I've been waiting for the weather to improve so I can continue my work with Team Match so I'm just as anxious as you to get to the range.

Regards...

Recon

bearboy
11th April 2006, 18:24
I use mccormick and wilson47d as well as kimbers from other guns.all seem to perform the same.did have some $7.00 gun show mags i tried.filed them somewhere so i won't confuse them with real 1911 magazines

Alpha Wolf
24th August 2006, 17:26
I really like mine as well


I had a odd thing occur when it was brand new...

It would just fail to fire. Not the round, firing pin not released.

I would fire like 5 shoots and then pull on the trigger and it would not pull. :confused: Like that safety was activated. :(

I would manually eject shell and it would fire fine for a while and then again would not fire. I checked and the receiver appeared to be in battery.

After about 100 rounds, it has stopped doing this and now fires fine.

Maybe it was the safety and the fact the gun was new and tight that caused this failure to fire. Would not have liked that to occur if I was using it for defence and needed it :nono:

Now the more I shoot it the better I get wit it and the more I like it.

:cool: ;)

Alpha Wolf
24th August 2006, 17:28
Just got my Team Match II. Haven't put a round through it yet...Tommorow!!
I am interested it what after market mags people are using, with good performance.

Thanks to all of you that have purchased the Team Match II. Our US Shooting team appreciates the donations that Kimber has made. Approaching $500,000.

Allen
Vice Chairman, USA Shooting


That was also one of the reasons I chose this gun.

I got a good gun and Kimber supported you as a benefit....

Recon
24th August 2006, 18:31
Alpha Wolf:

Great to hear from yet another Team Match owner.

As of yesterday I've got 8,769 rounds through by Team Match since October 2004. I got off to a slow start but this year alone I'll easily get 5,000 rounds through it. I'd like to get up to around 10,000 per year.

No problems to report so far.

Regards...

Recon
26th April 2007, 00:20
I just passed the 10,000 round mark with my Team Match II (“TMII”).

The TMII continues to function and shoot very well.

No repairs of any kind have been needed. I did change the various springs at the intervals recommended by Kimber with the exception of the external extractor spring which remains original.

I continue to field strip for cleaning and lubrication with FP-10 every 250 rounds. I probably should have done a detail strip for cleaning and lubrication on a periodic basis but did not detail strip it until last week. I expected to find lots of fouling during the detail striping but didn’t.

There are no signs of wear except on the outside of the barrel. Although these marks are visible I can’t feel anything different when touching them.

The trigger pull remains constant at just over 3 pounds.

The weather hasn't allowed much shooting in my area until a week ago. Shooting should really start to pickup now and I have sufficient components to fire about 5,000 through the TMII this season.

Regards...

LOBO
31st July 2007, 14:40
How is the TMII doing now?

Where did you get the extra magazines for your TMII?

Chris

Recon
31st July 2007, 15:25
LOBO:

The TMII continues to work great. Total round count is currently 11,200.

I have three magazines for the TMII. One is the Kimber that came with it and the other two I bought from CDNN Investments for about $8.00 each. No magazine problems to report so far.

Thanks for your interest.

Regards.

bearboy
31st July 2007, 17:54
I use Kimber,Mccormick and Wilson.I have a bunch of 1911s. The team match will feed anything extract anything and shoot into little bitty holes when i do my part. Best shooting of the bunch.