What are decent split times?

[horse 91-A1]

I'm working on triple tap times and only use the cold times before warm-up, like in a real world situation. Today I went out back to chronograph a number of .38Super loads with both the Colt and Para. Before the chrono shoot I did a three tap with the Para, 135gr Zero FMJ, 1275fps/chrono. PACT timer, sighted on target;
#1 fired at .21sec, #2 - .22sec/.43sec, #3 - .17sec/.60sec total time.

Last week I tested a wilderness load in my M29 Mountain carry, same 39 ounce weight as the Para, firing off a triple tap of Sierra 300gr/1080fps (chrono 4") with split time average of .30sec, 3" group at 7yds.

I'm curious as to what's considered decent cold split times by those who time their shots?

Living in a very rural area, if I'm in a mesquite thicket grove, for instance, with limited visiblity and see large unidentified critter movement; I'm drawn and in defense mode as I progress through the thicket - lots of ornery critters around these parts. :D

Bob

[horse 91-A1]

Tested the Colt .38Super (cold time, well about 99F) :) with the 135gr Zero FMJ, initial rx time was about the same as a M686 double action.

#1 - .26sec, #2 - .22sec/.48sec, #3 - .17sec/.65sec

Split times between #2 & #3 shots seem to be pretty quick.

Anyone else have split times to post? :)

Bob

[Tom in Ohio]

I think if you want to get a good comparison with other shooters, you should shoot against a common standard. I would suggest shooting "Bill drills" on an IPSC target at 7 and 10 yds. That way I think a lot of other shooters would know exactly what performance standard your splits are being compared to.

For those who might not know: A "Bill drill" is six shots, from the holster, into one IPSC target. Usually, if you are comparing times and splits, shooters disregard their times unless they are keeping all the shots in the "A" zone of an IPSC target (alternately the -0 zone of an IDPA target).

At 10 yds. I can very consistenly produce .30sec splits with full power 230g .45 from a duty pistol (1911 or G21). I can get my splits down to the low .20's if I push it, but I'll keep them all in the -0 zone maybe 50% of my runs. Any faster than that and I'm not seeing my sights at all.

[SharonAnne]

experience (rounds of practice) has a lot to do with what your split times are. one year I fired 35,000 rds. At about 25k I started to see the front sight clearly for the second shot of a double tap. I slowly progressed on bill drills. the 6 A's in 2 seconds was a master class time, when it was first used. I have done it 9 times, ever. In a semi-private class with Rob Leatham, years ago, I watched him do a Bill Drill in 1.4 seconds, all A's. He tried for a world record, 8 master scores in a row. He did 7 and bobbled the 8th. It is awsome to watch. His split times run around 0.1-0.12. On the Rio Salado range you can usually tell which range he is on. When I was well practiced, back in Michigan, one shooter called my doubles a "flam". It is a musical drummer term. Anyway, my spits would run 0.14-0.17. My fastest ever split was 0.13 seconds. While the difference may seem small,you can clearly hear the difference between a 0.11 split and an 0.15 split.

I have noticed several Arizona shooters in here. I strongly recommend you all make an effort go to the Rio Salado Range north of Mesa for Tuesday Night Steel or IPSC matches pretty much every weekend. The number of USPSA Masters and Grand Masters in mind boggling. And yes, TGO himself, Rob Leatham is regularly at Tuesday Night Steel.

[Lurper]

With my open class gun, my splits are .11-.13. With my single stack, .13 -.16. Fastest ever was .09.

[SharonAnne]

ehyup. definately faster than I am, ever was, or will be

[horse 91-A1]

I really appreciate the responses and y'all have some 'super' split times. I may have to find a reason to travel up to Phoenix and see y'all compete. :)

I live way out in the country with about a 10min-15minute drive on county dirt roads just to get to a county paved road. Phoenix is about a 1/2 day away :) and the nearest sanctioned shooting competition is about 90 miles away.

My training is oriented a little different since a double tap for me is on two separate targets to simulate movement. The 686 is great at this, but the 6" barrel doesn't CCW very well; therefore, practice with the .38Super, 3"x5" cards tacked to a long shooting plank and double tapping plastic bottles on the kick-up.

The flat shooting .38Super with very quick follow-up shots, after lots of practice, should be the ticket on fast moving predators; a serious and constant problem here abouts.

Bob

[SharonAnne]

Horse, I am out of action though I think Lurper still shoots regularly. Early on Tuesday Night Steel you have a good chance to see Rob Leatham shoot, also Matt Burkett, and Don Golembeski. There are at least 20 USPSA Masters at Rio and about 5 or 6 Grand Masters. It is a great place to shoot, great ranges, wonderful friendly people, lots of rounds every match. I know 3 people who moved to the Phoenix area specifically because of the Rio Salado Sportsmans club.

[SharonAnne]

Horse, I re-read your first post. It sounds like you are in free range cattle country. I have hunted east of Apache Junction back in the '80s. Walking around a Palo Verde and encountering a 1000#+ wild beef critter is unsettling to say the least. My .223 Mini 14 felt VERY inadequate.

[horse 91-A1]

Horse, I re-read your first post. It sounds like you are in free range cattle country. I have hunted east of Apache Junction back in the '80s. Walking around a Palo Verde and encountering a 1000#+ wild beef critter is unsettling to say the least. My .223 Mini 14 felt VERY inadequate.

Palo Verde's are my favorite tree, I think we're at too high an elevation for them to grow here. :(

Bovine's are half wild, so half of 1000lbs can probably do some damage if it chooses too. :scared: Several years ago we did the math on a mountain lion, 300lb steer kill; seven feet between front/back legs on the jump, 21ft leap, 17ft tumble.

There are some large cattle ranches near here, soil here is too good for cattle so there's a lot of ag production. Cranking out harvest yield numbers is mind boggling as is the cost of drilling wells and equipment.

All the neighbors shoot (and have tractors/pick up trucks) so there's a built in denominator for conversation and someone usually has a new toy to proudly share.

You and Lurper have run some split times I'll probably never attain, but the .38Super shoots very fast, even for us slow guys. :) If one wants to practice for coyotes, say a speed of 45 feet per second, meaning the 3"x5" cards would be spaced at 9ft with a .2second double tap. Sounds like fun or futility, kind of like your 1000lb bovine. :)

Bob