Anyone ?

[joggiep]

HI

I currently pack NGA "elimmenator" rounds in my .45 ACP.
It is a 105g bullet with a vellosity of 1500FPS. I am yet to see anything on the web about them and was wondering if someone knows something about them.

I'll try to describe the bullet shape. Looks like a normal 230g RN but Most of the outer "bullet" is a plastic cap. The inside is a "silver colour" copper turned bullet. Has like a pin (+-2-3mm) in the middle.

Wil try and post some pic's

Thanks
Joggie

[usajeep1]

joggiep, who is the manufacturer/distributer of those rounds? I'm not familiar with them, as they might not be sold in the U.S.. 1500 fps is a pretty high velocity, are these +p rounds? Why do you choose to shoot such a light round in a .45 that was designed to shoot heavier bullets for knockdown power? Do these eliminator rounds have a special property (frangible, wont go through walss, etc...) that makes them more deadly or safer than other more popular bullets? If they are +p, then are you concerned with the excessive pressures and possible damage the rounds may be causing to your 1911? How long have you been shooting them? I know its a lot of questions, but I am interested since I have never heard of them before...:)...jeep....

[joggiep]

No problem ... I'll try and answer as mutch as I know/heard.

AS far as I'm aware ther are made buy a compamy called NGA .
It is a +P round.
I have shot a couple(less than 100) and they have the same point of impact than my normal practice round (230 LRN).Don't shoot a lott of them due to their high cost. Appartently they are very good bullets for self defence. Lucky to have never had to shoot anyone so I can't really say for certain.
Apparently is a bullet desigh that is very simmilar than the RAM THV ? ? ?
Not really conserned about the higher pressure that mutch, due to the fact that 1. I don't shoot them a lott 2. I have a springfield recoil reduser fitted and that spares the wepon alott.

Hope it helps a little

[joggiep]

Best I have found on the web was the following:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/THV.htm

[usajeep1]

Joggie, I'm sure you dont shoot many of these, but did you read this part of the web page you qouted--"It was then discovered that pressures were frequently too high, and that barrel wear was much faster than usual.".. This would cause me to be concerned. There are plenty of reliable, and safe (for you and your gun) self defense loads on the market world wide. My real concern is for YOUR safety. Shooting +p loads that have had pressure problems (even though they MAY have been resolved) could result in YOU obtaining a defective round that could blow up your gun, or worse, hurt you physically. It would be hard to defend yourself with 1 eye or no hand or fingers to pull the trigger. I would reccomend researching this round extensively, and talking to others repeatedly before I even tried to shoot it. It seems to me that taking a chance with a round that has had problems is a no win situation. PLEASE, PLEASE be careful, we dont twant to see anyone hurt from circumstances that could have been avoided. Let us know your progress, and if you want, there are many here on this forum that can qoute factory self defense loads as well as reloads that are PROVEN AND RELIABLE. Be safe, have fun, and take care;)..usajeep1...

[Woodman]

To back up USAJeep's point, I am still waiting for the return of my 1911 that blew up on factory, 230Gr, FMJ ammunition that was not listed as +p. Let me tell you, there isn't much that is more frigtening than your gun blowing up in your hand and venting hot gasses just over your fingertips as the magazine comes shooting out the bottom of the gun. I got off EXTREMELY lucky that none of my other rounds in the magazine were set off, and that the gun contained the majority of the explosion, leaving my fingers and eyes intact.

I'd not wish a blown up gun on anyone, so I'd reccomend sticking with a known good manufacturer of ammunition. The use of +p is entirely up to you, but in my opinion it's a little bit of overkill where the .45ACP is concerned.

[joggiep]

Thanks for the concern guys. I think something that needs to be clarified is the fact that the Ellimenator is only based on then THV and that is was the THV that had hassels conserning pressures. The ellimenator was a round that was specially designed and later adopted by and used by the SA special forces. Occording to what I could find it is a round that was developed for close qwoter combat situations, a bullet desighned to be able to shoot thu most obsicles and yet not over penetrate.

I have a couple of friends that carry the same round in various firearms and none have had any problems with them.

What I will however do in the comming week or so is to go out and buy some Golden sabers and some Hidra shocks witch when reading the other post seems to be very popular and and shoot some ... have a outing planned for the 28 th of May. At least I can then see for myself how they compair.

I now it's not scientific at all but : I have shot the ellimenator at things like stacked telephone books, tyres, tarlton blocks and I have only been supprised as they have alway expanded very well , always retained it's waight.

Will take some pic's of what I fins on the 28th.

Thanks for the replies.

[usajeep1]

Joggie, sounds like you are making a rational decision by choosing to try more "universal" factory rounds. I'm sure that Eliminator rounds are O.K., or they wouldn't be on the market, even in South Africa, but I'm still leary of a round that is based on another round that has "purported" problems. If you are concerned with CQB (close quarters battle), have you heard of Glazer safety slugs? These have been around for quite a while, and have a devastating effect in CQB, but dont over-penetrate. Remember a .45 round does not have to be+p to be effective, and most 1911's were not designed to shoot +p rounds. The heavy weight of the bullet (200-230 grains) and the fact that it travels at subsonic speeds is what the 1911 was designed to shoot. Knockdown is the key word here, not penetration. There are many brands of ammo out there that make the best of both worlds, knockdown and penetration. Testing ammo on phonebooks, wood, etc.. is not the way ballistics are developed. Shooting animals, people etc.. is the way to truly determine how well the ammo really is. I dont advocate shooting people to test ballistics (my goal is to never have to shoot at anyone!), but there are alot of people that hunt with their 1911's, and maybe they can give you some insight as to bullet performance. Have fun on your next outing, and let us know your results, we are always interested. Be SAFE, and take care;)...jeep...