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okcorral1881
5th February 2008, 00:15
1914 Colt

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/okcorral1881/P1300018.jpg

With a friend

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/okcorral1881/P1300026.jpg

bgiven
5th February 2008, 20:45
Nice..... here are my 3 'Canucks'.....

1914 1st shipment

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i284/bobgiven/FAC/Fac131.jpg

1943 1 of 1515

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i284/bobgiven/FAC/Fac111.jpg

1942 M1 Carbine 1 of 230

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i284/bobgiven/FAC/Fac302.jpg

robertbank
6th February 2008, 18:32
Very nice! Weren't the M1 Carbines issued to the Canadian Officers that participated in the invasion of of the two Islands in the Aluetions (sp)?

Take Care

Bob

bgiven
6th February 2008, 20:55
Very nice! Weren't the M1 Carbines issued to the Canadian Officers that participated in the invasion of of the two Islands in the Aluetions (sp)?

Bob, I believe you are correct.

Of the 5,000 ordered by the Canadian Government, only the first shipment of 230 was shipped. According to Larry Ruth, author of the famous 'War Baby' books on the M1 carbine, he is only aware of 2 examples known in the US. Is has been stated that the Canadian Gov't traded all their carbines to the Greek Gov't for some unknown ordnance.

robertbank
6th February 2008, 21:12
I believe a member of this forum, A Canadian, posted a picture of his father carrying an M1 (Might ahve been a Thompson) as he landed in the Aleutions (sp). Father had been decorated in Europe, wounded and was recovering from his wounds when the picture was taken but healthy enough to face the Japanese. They must of heard he ws coming because they all left before he landed.:D

As I recall the Canadian contingent were issued US kit to be compatable for supply purposes had they ran into fighting.

Take Care

Bob

pa_guns
6th February 2008, 21:38
Hi

Very cool.

Bob

okcorral1881
6th February 2008, 23:05
Bob, Bob and Bob............:rolleyes:

robertbank
7th February 2008, 09:45
Hey what is with the rolling eyes. Posters father was a member of the Trois River Regiment IIRC and was in full US kit landing in the Aleutions. You don't believe it do a search.

Take Care

Bob

okcorral1881
7th February 2008, 11:31
Hey what is with the rolling eyes. Posters father was a member of the Trois River Regiment IIRC and was in full US kit landing in the Aleutions. You don't believe it do a search.

Take Care

Bob

Bob,

My answer was not directed to your post...if it was I would have quoted you!

okcorral1881
7th February 2008, 11:36
Nice..... here are my 3 'Canucks'.....

1914 1st shipment

1943 1 of 1515]


Bob, Nice guns....would you happen to know the serial # (approx) of the 1st shipment!

robertbank
7th February 2008, 12:40
In that case I apologise. Appeared like it was. Sorry.

Take Care

Bob

OD*
7th February 2008, 13:47
Very nice pistols, John.

pa_guns
7th February 2008, 18:53
Hi

Any idea where they spend the last almost 100 years?

Bob

okcorral1881
8th February 2008, 00:17
In that case I apologise. Appeared like it was. Sorry.

Take Care

Bob

Don't have to apologize.......everytime someone types OK I think thry mean me!:)

okcorral1881
8th February 2008, 00:19
Very nice pistols, John.

Thanks OD*

okcorral1881
8th February 2008, 00:21
Hi

Any idea where they spend the last almost 100 years?

Bob

Are you talking about the 2 other Bobs?:D

Serioulsly, I don't have a clue...if only they could talk!

bgiven
8th February 2008, 08:11
Bob, Nice guns....would you happen to know the serial # (approx) of the 1st shipment!

First Shipment Sept. 11, 1914
Serial numbers C3000 to C8400.

Second
C5400-C8700

Third
C8000-C9500

Fourth and Fifth
C8500-C9700

Sixth
C5700-9700

First pictured is C50xx.

Bob

pa_guns
9th February 2008, 12:42
Hi

It's interesting that the serial numbers were so intermixed between the shipments.

Bob

okcorral1881
9th February 2008, 23:31
First Shipment Sept. 11, 1914
Serial numbers C3000 to C8400.

Second
C5400-C8700

Third
C8000-C9500

Fourth and Fifth
C8500-C9700

Sixth
C5700-9700

First pictured is C50xx.

Bob

Thanks Bob!

pa_guns
10th February 2008, 11:48
Thanks Bob!

Hi

The Bob's are getting way to confusing in this thread :D

One of us will have to assume the title Czar of all the Russia :D :D

Bob

okcorral1881
10th February 2008, 22:55
Hi

The Bob's are getting way to confusing in this thread :D

One of us will have to assume the title Czar of all the Russia :D :D

Bob

No! We already have the emperor of the universe!????:D

robertbank
10th February 2008, 23:07
That would have to be the Mayor of Toronto!:lh:

Take Care

Bob

rondawg
11th February 2008, 01:54
Is it just me, or do the pistols in the first post have a slightly different curve to the triggers? Is that a characteristic of the really early 1911's? Or am I just seeing things again?

pa_guns
11th February 2008, 07:38
No! We already have the emperor of the universe!????:D

Hi

Emperor of the Known Universe ....

Bob

shyquestor
14th April 2008, 22:43
How does one differentiate a Canadian or other foreign contract/Lend Lease Colt from US Army (etc.) production? Is it an alpha prefix to begin the SN? This is what I have been led to believe from the listing at http://www.sightm1911.com/1911Production.htm

Reason I am asking is that I am attempting to import a 1918 from Germany into US and having some SN ID issues with BATFE, who claim my SN 383xxx (no alpha prefix) is a Lend Lease item and thus not importable.

Foreign Service Models:

1) Colt M1911 Canadian Contract: S/N C5400 to C16599 = Sept. to Nov., 1914 ( Only
5000 pistols in this serial number range were shipped to Canada.) Caliber .45 ACP

3) Colt M1911 British Contract: S/N W29117 to W97000 and S/N C29 to C74,200 =
May 1912 to April 1919 (Approx. 17,500 pistols were shipped to England. Serial
numbers that begin with a "C" were .45 ACP and serial numbers that begin with a
"W" were .455 Webley calibers.

4) Colt M1911 British RAF Contract: S/N W91,100 to W110,696 = Jan. 22, 1918 to
April 28, 1919 (Approx. 10,000 pistols were shipped to the Royal Air Force from this
serial number range and were .455 Webley caliber.)

5) British M1911A1 WW II Lend-Lease: From all S/N's of U.S. M1911A1 models =
March 11, 1941 through the rest of WW II ( The U.S. furnished 39,592 pistols to
Britain through the Lend-Lease Act.)

6) Colt M1911 Russian Contract: S/N C23000 to C89000 = Feb. 19, 1916 to Jan. 18,
1917 ( Russia purchased 51,000 M1911 .45 ACP pistols during WW I. from this serial
number range. Russia purchased more M1911 pistols than any other country besides
the U.S.) Regular commercial model Colt except has "English Order" mark in
Russian on left side of frame.

7) Colt M1911 Norwegian: Colt S/N C18501 to C18850 and Norway S/N 1 to 5000 =
June 1915 to WW II (400 Colt 1911's .45 caliber purchased and issued to Norwegian
Navy. May 1917, 300 Colt 1911 .45ACP pistols purchased in 1915. In 1917, Norway
obtained licence to manufacture it's M1911 pistols. The first they made had "COLT
AUT PISTOL M/1912" on the slides and then at S/N 100 this changed to "11.25 m/m
AUT. PISTOL M/1914" on the slides.

8) Colt M1911 Argentine: S/N C6201 to C11621 = 1914, S/N C20,001 to C21000 = 1916
S/N C86790 to C116000 = 1919 ( 321 shipped in 1914 marked on right side of slide
with "MARINA ARGENTINA". In 1915 another 1000 shipped within above S/N
range. In 1919 another 400 M1911 Colts shipped in above S/N range. Imported into
the U.S. in 1960 as surplus but very rare in any condition.)


10) Colt M1911 MEXICAN: After WW I, Mexico procured an unknown number of
M1911 pistols made by Colt. These are rare because of Mexico's strict penalties for
illegal possession of military arms (ON SPOT EXECUTION). Very few made it to
U.S. and would have a "C" prefix serial numbers.
May have "EJERCITO MEXICANO" on right side of slide.

pa_guns
15th April 2008, 07:38
Hi

Keep in mind that Lend Lease was a different program than direct purchase.

The data you cite above were pistols directly purchased from Colt by foreign governments. Colt gave them a separate serial number series at the factory. The pistols were normally inspected by representatives of the foreign government.

Lend Lease gear for the most part was inspected and purchased by the War Department and then shipped to the foreign government. The serial number *series* were no different than the rest of the US government production. Colt probably didn't know at the time where the pistols were going. I'm sure that when pistols were shipped the serial number ranges involved were recorded.

Interestingly the same re-import rules were still in effect at least through the Viet Nam War. There are categories of electronic gear as well as weapons that are on the "no return to the US" list.

Crazy stuff ....

Bob

robertbank
15th April 2008, 08:38
Interestingly, Bob, virtually all the equipment used by the American Army in building the Alaska Highway through Canada was buried along the highway after the war. The Governments of the day did not want the equipment returned into civilian hands thus effecting the post war recovery. In retro-spect it would appear to be such a waste. I wouldn't mind owning a pristine WW11 Jeep today....


Take Care

Bob

pa_guns
15th April 2008, 17:48
Interestingly, Bob, virtually all the equipment used by the American Army in building the Alaska Highway through Canada was buried along the highway after the war. The Governments of the day did not want the equipment returned into civilian hands thus effecting the post war recovery. In retro-spect it would appear to be such a waste. I wouldn't mind owning a pristine WW11 Jeep today....


Take Care

Bob

Hi

Same deal. They simply had *way* to much stuff at the end of the war. They knew perfectly well that most of it would head to the scrap heap. Hauling it home just to melt it all down wasn't worth the cost.

Crazy stuff ....

Bob

mayagrafix
19th April 2008, 01:44
10) Colt M1911 MEXICAN: After WW I, Mexico procured an unknown number of
M1911 pistols made by Colt. These are rare because of Mexico's strict penalties for illegal possession of military arms (ON SPOT EXECUTION). Very few made it to U.S. and would have a "C" prefix serial numbers.
May have "EJERCITO MEXICANO" on right side of slide.

Is there a serial number range for these Colts? I slapped a Colt .22 kit on mine and registered it that way and use it for target practice at the local sport club (see pix under my user name) but I still have the original slide + barrel. Regarding on the spot execution, first they beat the living daylights out you and then they shoot :scared: