USFA to make 1911

[Joni Lynn]

When looking around the net, I went to USFA and they are showing proto type 1911's. I gave my father one of their single action flat top target revolver's last year and it is probably the finest work I have ever seen on a gun.
If anyone cares to view the proto type, here is the web addy for them.
http://www.usfirearms.com/

[wichaka]

I checked out the web site..........nice looking gun. Didn't like the grips much, but really liked the roll marks they're going to use.

[OD*]

I like the USFA products as a rule, don't care for their 1910 or 1911 as they are now. They're neither a 1910 nor a 1911, but I guess the can call them what ever they choose.

[1911Tuner]

Agree with OD...USFA needs to do a little more research on which features
are on which guns, 'cause they ain't quite got it nailed down. Good-lookin' pistols...but for 1500 and 1600 bucks...they'd better be some real doozies with milled triggers and zero MIM or castings.

Jury is still out on these pistols. The "1911 Clone" market has done bit too many people over the past 25 years to trust a newcomer until I can get my grubby mitts on one. ;)

[RickB]

If they'd put the "1911" hammer on the "1910" model, and I found $1600 on the ground, I'd be the first in line to get one. Actually, the Colt 1910 models had short, narrow spur hammers, but they were SPUR hammers. Over at that other 1911 forum, there was talk of the exact configuration of the 1910 prototypes, as to grips, safeties, etc. I went home and dug out my copy of Goddard's The Government Models, and right there on the cover is a color pic of a 1910, looking almost identical, except for the hammer, to the USFA pistol. I'd think the market for "tactical"/"combat"/"ninja"/"match" 1911s must be about saturated, but other than the Colt WWI repro, there's nothing to satisfy those who love the classic 1911 in all its beauty. $1600 is expensive, but no more so than lots of Baers, Wilsons, etc.

[1911Tuner]

RickB...Yup. It looks like they've confused the Model 1905 with the 1910.

The 1911 has a short grip safety tang...correct...but it's got the short trigger and the scalloped frame of the 1911A1.

Somebody needs to put a bug in their ear before they get hooted at. :D

[OD*]

From Sam Lisker's Coltautos.com

http://www.coltautos.com/images/1910.gif
No thumb safety on this 1910.

[1911Tuner]

OD...Thassa fact. Maybe they were shootin' for one of the modified prototypes that JMB re-engineered with the thumb safety... :D

Plain fact of the matter is that they couldn't be quite THAT authentic and still market the gun.

The contour of the slide scallop above the recoil spring tunnel is wrong too.

I still wanna have a look at one. Somebody buy one and bring it to me! :p

[OD*]

If they would use their 1910 receiver on their 1911 and mark it accordingly, I think they'd have a winner.

[RickB]

Goddard's book shows pics of two 1910s retrofitted with thumb safeties, one done by Browning, and one done at Colt. I'm sure the prototypes were modified in various ways, over time.

[1911Tuner]

If they would use their 1910 receiver on their 1911 and mark it accordingly, I think they'd have a winner.

Yep...and if the guns are true to original specs...complete with milled trigger and .078R FP stop...and machined barstock throughout...I'd plunk down my fifteen hunnert in two heartbeats. ;)

[gottripletsNC]

you get smarter everytime you realize that you are dumber than you thought...

think about that one a minute....

anyways my question is what is a 1910?

is it the model that JMB designed before the US Government required a newer prototype with a Thumb safety

[wichaka]

Yes, the 1910 came about before the final 1911 was adopted.

The adoption of the Colt Automatic Pistol in 45 caliber, which off the top of my head started around late 1904, with the first submission to the Army in 1905. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

RickB, there's a pic of a 1909 on page 111 with a crude thumb safety on it. Then on page 116 & 117, there's pics of 1911 without thumb safeies.

Goddards book "The Government Models, The development of the Colt Model 1911" is a good book that goes thru the testing period, adoption, and even some shipping records of the 1911.

[1911slabsides]

USFA seems to look hard at what they are making. Those pistols are certainly sharp looking but I can't imagine them going into production without a few changes. They seem just a little short of "correct" But I'd take one anyway

[TheProf-TX]

Ms. Joni, I think I am in love. And the gun is nice looking too :) :)

[TheProf-TX]

Darn it. Now I want one of their revolvers too. I wonder if there is a 12 step group for gun addiction...

[1911Tuner]

Lookout Prof! The lady's packin' heat! :eek:

[RickB]

Darn it. Now I want one of their revolvers too. I wonder if there is a 12 step group for gun addiction...

The latest American Handgunner has a review of the USFA Frontier Six Shooter; Colt saw fit to stop rolling that on their .44-40s around the turn of the century, but USFA is doing it, now. AM tests them in all three standard barrel lengths, with a bit of scroll engraving on each of them. I might want one just to look at.

[OD*]

Colt saw fit to stop rolling that on their .44-40s around the turn of the century,

Ventuurino stated this, what page? He should know better, the second style rollmarking was in use by January 1923 ("Colt Frontier Six Shooter 44-40"). From 1878 to 1890 they were acid etched, in 1890 Colt started the first style rollmarkings.

[Joni Lynn]

I doubt that USFA is trying to exactly duplicate any 1911, they are in business to sell guns. In todays society, ya know it just has to have a safety and they will make it look good and it will be a nice gun. True to any exact 1911 blue prints? We won't know until an actual production version gets out and someone gets their hands on it. It looks nice..beautiful lettering and finsih. If it's anywhere as nicely done as my fathers revolver it will be superb. I wouldn't be able to see the sights, so you won't be hearing about it from me.

[RickB]

Ventuurino stated this, what page? He should know better, the second style rollmarking was in use by January 1923 ("Colt Frontier Six Shooter 44-40"). From 1878 to 1890 they were acid etched, in 1890 Colt started the first style rollmarkings.

Don't blame Mike. I should have said "started rolling them . . ."; I have a CFSS from '97, and it has the later, rolled-on marking. It was the etched marking that was gone by the turn of that century.