Slide Binding to frame on dissasembly (pics)

[starduks]

gun fires and functions fine, but the slide will not come off of the frame at all.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa215/m3atman/rand/randsideslide.jpg

this is as far as the slide will go foward

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa215/m3atman/rand/randbackside.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa215/m3atman/rand/randunderside.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa215/m3atman/rand/randdownthepipe.jpg

any help is much appreciated.

[1911Tuner]

Most likely the lower lug width is binding in its recess in the frame. Bump the slide forward with the heel of your hand until it gets free. Look at the sides of the lower lug. You should see the points of hard contact. Dress both sides equally with a mill file. Shouldn't take much...maybe .002 inch per side. Keep the edges of the junction of the lug and the barrel. You don't want a sharp corner there.

[starduks]

ive tried, i cannot get it to go any further by hand and im afraid to use a mallett

[nunya]

Would soaking in CLP or similar overnight help?

[Constantine-1911]

ive tried, i cannot get it to go any further by hand and im afraid to use a mallett




Dont use a mallett, take it to a gunsmith.

[1911Tuner]

take it to a gunsmith.

Present...

Starduks...Keep tryin'. A rubber mallet will work. Plastic as long as you don't hit it too hard. That's about all it could be unless the lower barrel lug is actually broken. It'll probably help if you can get the bushing out and use a wooden dowel or something similar in the barrel to work the barrel up and down as you go. Bump...work the barrel...bump, etc. until you worry it off.

EDIT TO ADD:

Just went and looked at the pictures. The lug is already out of the recess...so that's not it. Next likely problem is the recoil spring guide rod has cocked and has the barrel in a bind. Push the barrel back a little and slip the spring back on it. You may have to go into the end of the tunnel with a pencil or other tool and straighten up the rod. Bump the muzzle straight back. The barrel will free the rod.

Next time, leave the recoil spring in place until you get the slide off.

[starduks]

Present...

Starduks...Keep tryin'. A rubber mallet will work. Plastic as long as you don't hit it too hard. That's about all it could be unless the lower barrel lug is actually broken. It'll probably help if you can get the bushing out and use a wooden dowel or something similar in the barrel to work the barrel up and down as you go. Bump...work the barrel...bump, etc. until you worry it off.

its all out, its basically field striped except the slide isint off, look at the last pic again

[1911Tuner]

GO back and re-read my last post. I just added something.

[starduks]

still not it. its a completly empty slide except for the firing pin and extractor.

[1911Tuner]

still not it. its a completly empty slide except for the firing pin and extractor.

Ahhhh. So you had the slide off and now it won't go back on...

Sorry for the haste here. Tryin' to get all these dogs fed and settled in for the night, and I'm goin' in 10 different directions at once.

Knock it off with the mallet. There's nothing in contact other than the rails.

Did you hit the rails or drop the frame while you had it down?

[starduks]

Ahhhh. So you had the slide off and now it won't go back on...

Sorry for the haste here. Tryin' to get all these dogs fed and settled in for the night, and I'm goin' in 10 different directions at once.

Knock it off with the mallet. There's nothing in contact other than the rails.

Did you hit the rails or drop the frame while you had it down?


no it never came off in the first place.

i completely emptied the slide,

ran it foward to remove it

and it binds at that point every time.

i can break it loose and send it back again but for teh life of me i cannot get it to go foward past that point and come off.

i hope this last bit helped

[1911Tuner]

Okay. The rails have galled for some reason. It's got to come off. Go ahead and knock it off with the mallet. Use a block of wood at the rear of the slide if you feel more comfortable with hitting that.

When you slide it forward to the binding point...does it stop suddenly and solidly...or does it "wedge" to a stop?

[starduks]

wedge most deff and in a very short distance, about 1mm or so

edit - but it always stops at 1 point

[1911Tuner]

wedge most deff and in a very short distance, about 1mm or so


Yep. Galled or maybe just a tight spot in the slide/frame fit. Go ahead and knock it off with the mallet and wooden block. You can determine what...and exactly where...the problem is. You can probably lap it out with straight J&B Bore Cleaner


Apply liberally in the rails. On until it stops...bump it just a tick further...back off. Repeat...go on just a little further...and back off. On a little further...repeat until it moves freely.

If there's galling, you may want to dress the really bad spots with a needle file first.

[starduks]

kay i'll give it a shot later, thanks

[Ken Grant]

Tuner, did you look at the first pic?
That is a USGI pistol and I think it is a 1944 Rand.

[Coastie Doc]

Starduks,
From your pictures it's hard to tell. It almost looks like your slide is not completely in the rails when it's the most forward you can get it (Riding outside and not in). You only posted one side. Does the other side sit higher or "off"? Also, post pictures of both sides and looking head-on when it's all the way back. How much up and down play is there when the slide is all the way to the rear?

I would lube it generously and lift up on the slide when pulling it forward. If that doesn't work then still lube the heck out of it and try to force it off with a rubber/plastic mallet as others' have suggested.

Also, when was the last time your gun was shot and disassembled? What changed between then and now if anything? :confused:

[niemi24s]

Might suggest (before trying to beat it off with a mallet) flushing the rails and ways of the slide and receiver with copious amounts of something while gently moving the slide back and forth.

It could be flushed with WD-40 or maybe even immerse the whole gun in a bucket of kerosene or under the nozzle of a parts cleaning/washing stand.

I see the frame's a USGI. What kind of slide is it? The first picture shows the slide & frame positioned so the thumb safety notch in the slide is at the squarish hole for the slide stop in the receiver - look carefully for a burr in that area.

[Coastie Doc]

I just looked at your pictures for a 4th time. Just a thought, maybe, just maybe, your firing pin stop is hanging low enough to catch and stop the slide from moving any further. I know it's a stretch, but it can't hurt anything if you put the slide all the way to the rear and remove the firing pin stop, pin and spring. It's certainly less violent.

[1911Tuner]

Yep, Ken. I saw that.

Slide's still gotta come off so he can figure out what's wrong...and it ain't gonna wish itself off.


Take it away, troops! I'm---->outta here! ;)

[Ken Grant]

It is just a worn out old junky rattletrap GI pistol that needs work.
I will gladly take it off your hands ;)