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20th March 2005, 18:55
A friend of mine just bought a used colt that had the Model # 1991 and I've never heard of this . Now is this something that Colt has done to mark the 80th anniversary or some thing . It is the same as any other Colt inside and out and a very nice shooter
Was just wandering :confused:
20th March 2005, 19:13
1911 is just a model that Colt put out, nothing fancy, or remarkable about it........other than the roll mark on the slide is pretty ugly. It functions the same as any other 1911, and it does have the firing pin safety........
21st March 2005, 18:43
The 1991A1 was Colt's answer to the "value" 1911 market. The 1st generation guns had an all matte finish, rubber grips, and a large block-letter roll mark. The recently introduced guns have polished flats, an updated roll mark, and in the case of the blued pistols, rosewood grips. Somewhere along the way 3-dot sights were added. Mine came w/ GI-type sights. Stainless models were/ are also available.
Wichaka: If you think the ORM is ugly, you must wince looking at the SW1911 roll mark!!! :D
21st March 2005, 20:21
lol, They do look like the SW
24th March 2005, 12:08
I also was wondering about the series 1991. I went to the Colt website and they list a Series 70 model, so if they are making the Series 1991 and it has the firing pin block, does that mean Colt just just renamed the Series 80?
24th March 2005, 23:06
The Series 70, like the Single Action Army, is from the Custom Shop. In today's world, "safety" is something that comes with or is built into the product; not between your ears. The "Custom Shop" cachet helps Colt skirt so-called "safety" concerns of the talking heads.
The "standard" 1911 became the "Series 70" when Colt tried to simultaneously maintain/improve accuracy standards while saving money on assembly by introducing the collet bushing on the Gov't. Model. The weakness of the collet bushing became well-known, so it was finally abandoned by Colt.
The Series 80 ushered in the firing pin safety (FPS). At first, people/smiths griped because it was a mite harder to get the same trigger w/o more gunsmithing. Eventually things worked themselves out as the 1911 pistolsmithing world found out how to tune the trigger. Fears of malfunctions due to apprehensions over the durability of the additional small parts have proven to be groundless. Those unconvinced can take 'em out and run the gun as a regular 1911.
The 1991A1 line is just not as finely finished on the outside as the regular (Series 80) and Series 70 Colt guns. Kinda' like the difference between the S&W Highway Patrolman and the M-27.
25th March 2005, 11:30
If the 1991 you're looking at is one of the NRM (New Roll Mark) pistols, these are some of the best guns Colt has turned out in years. The finish is much better than the ORM (Old Roll Mark) ones and equal to many of the earlier Series 80 and Series 70 guns.
25th March 2005, 12:36
I have looked at a few NRM's and they are put together well and are great looking.
26th March 2005, 09:19
In another thread, I jsut asked what NRM means. I should have checked here first--thanks, Mute.
Skyviking: I also asked about what removing the FP safety entails, and if there are any other compatibility issues. I don't mean to put duplicate posts all over the forum, but since you're in the know, maybe you could answer the questions...
2nd April 2005, 06:36
The 1991A1 was Colt's answer to the "value" 1911 market. The 1st generation guns had an all matte finish, rubber grips, and a large block-letter roll mark.
Since we're talkin' 1991A1s, here's a pic of my recent find. I have to agree, the rollmark is pretty gruesome, but Colt's are really scarce around my neck of the woods. http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid155/p583a1758b130f899d69525dd8406fd0a/f5640003.jpg
3rd April 2005, 14:55
The ORM is definitely not as asthetically as pleasing as the NRM. But I wouldn't pay more than 600 for a brand new NRM. The price increase is ridiculous. I paid 599 for a NIB NRM blued 1991 Govt. 2 months ago and I'm seeing used ones on Gunsamerica for 575. Ludicrous!! Luckily I found a brand new ORM 1991 parked/matte Govt. for 537 shipped. Not what I wanted but a good bargain in my book... :D
4th April 2005, 02:20
First post on this website. My 91-A1 is a matte stainless with the model info on the left side and series 80 on the right side of the slide. It came from the factory with adjustable rear Bomar sight and adjustable skeleton trigger - very nice, accurate and dependable shooter.
4th April 2005, 07:28
I don't know much about the roll marks, but when did colt make the change? Also, since I've read about price differences between the ORM & NRM, are there any significant (i.e. non-aesthetic) differences between the two?
4th April 2005, 17:06
The NRM's were introduced ~2002. Some spillover of parts likely happened, so take that w/ a grain of salt. As for the feature differences, this article pretty much sums them up: http://www.m1911.org/prodte27.htm
As well, a thread search for NRM will turn up plenty of info.
8th April 2005, 11:44
I picked up a Stainless used 1991 about a month ago. I can cloverleaf shots if I am careful. Quite frankly I prefer it over the Les Baer I had years ago.
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