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Hunter

30th July 2007, 22:26

I get the call today from Jim's Guns in Raleigh that "my" New Agent came in.
I will be starting the review in the next few days but I just have to tell all my friends about it now.
I like the little Colt already. I run a magazine of Federal 230gr JHP Hydra Shocks through her when I got home. I was able to hit a plastic bottle with it consistent from about 25 feet. Recoil was very manageable and the little Colt was flawless through "break in" with the JHP. :D
So as not to get John mad at me I won't go into too many details (really not many details to get into yet)
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/Hunter1911/2006_0730Colttrip0002.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/Hunter1911/2006_0730Colttrip0001.jpg

dakota1911

30th July 2007, 22:33

Too late to say YAHOOOO!!!! ?? Maybe it is never too late to say that. And I do not hate Hunter, but I am green all over with envy.

Ruggles

30th July 2007, 22:33

:D

Nice, I saw one last week and almost picked it up but I really had my heart set on a Kimber Warrior and thus got that instead. I have been thinkg about getting the WWI reissue but that Agent looks sweet!

Frank

30th July 2007, 22:43

It sure looks like a neat item. I'll be anxious to read your review.

DVC

Hunter

30th July 2007, 22:52

Thanks yall. I hate to form an opinion of this Colt already but I did break it in tonight.
I like the concept of this pistol and the sight rib is not hard to use.
Looks like I better get busy as I am trying to finish the Kimber Pro Covert II, my write up on the Colt plant, and now this new Colt.

Hersh

30th July 2007, 23:11

The more pics I see, the more it's starting to grow on me!

cameroni

30th July 2007, 23:16

Woooohooo!!!!!!

I like the prequel(sp?) to this New Agent review already! I woulda been extra fine with a Defender;but the NA is such a bold concept(well,these days);I'm just glad Colt decided to make a run of these.

Ever since I saw the first pic of it,it reminded me of the blockish/chiseled style/lines of "The Shadow"'s dual gats;or "The Phantom"'s blazing 1911s.

Les Baer's "Monolith" pistols look like the NA's daddy.(I'm just commentig on the general shape of the muzzle end).

I may not know art;but I know what I like...

mike

RonS

30th July 2007, 23:18

Looks odd without sights, but my wife says I look kind of naked on top too. I guess I'll keep saving back my extra money while you early adopters find any bugs.

Thanks for the photos, I really hope they have a homerun this time.

Hunter

30th July 2007, 23:27

I will agree the absences of sights looks different but looking down the slide the trench is pretty easy to use.
I also hope Colt hits a home run with this one and I got a good feeling but as always the proof lies in range time and so far I have very little with this Colt, rest assured that is going to change.

Mike I don't know art either but I know what I like (that is pretty good). :D

cliff731

30th July 2007, 23:45

Hunter... send her back...

Them Colt folks left the sights off of her... :eek:

:lh:

JustinTime

30th July 2007, 23:46

Can't wait to see the review.

elijdub

30th July 2007, 23:47

Looks like I better get busy as I am trying to finish the Kimber Pro Covert II, my write up on the Colt plant, and now this new Colt.
Sounds like you're pretty busy!!! I, for one, am anxiously looking forward to your reviews!!!
Oh, and i like the little gun too....now i want one!!!!

clughog

31st July 2007, 00:19

The more pics I see, the more it's starting to grow on me!Hersh, it's even more impressive in person...I'm beginning to really like this pistol, and I've only handled one at the gun show! The slim grips may take a little getting used to, but I'll bet I could manage. Sure seems like it will be easier to conceal, and that's what it's for! Can't wait for the E-zine, Hunter.

garrettwc

31st July 2007, 00:35

Man Hunter, would ya get off the internet and get to writin', I need to know if this little gem is going to be my next backup gun. :p

Hunter

31st July 2007, 00:54

I am already working on it :D
There is still enough to do to keep me busy until range day.

Jeffrey

31st July 2007, 00:55

Man Hunter, would ya get off the internet and get to writin', I need to know if this little gem is going to be my next backup gun. :p

Heck with the writin' I'd be gettin' to shootin'! :D

Hunter

31st July 2007, 01:04

Jeff you are so right. I hope to get to the range this weekend and I plan on getting the review together as soon as I can. I am excited about this new pistol from Colt.

cliff731

31st July 2007, 02:14

Hunter, this "new" Colt is working on me... and for reason I can't quite decipher makes me want to go back and revisit that Compact down at my local gunstore... priced in the mid-five range... different they are, but IMO both have the same purpose.

Hunter

31st July 2007, 02:20

OD*

31st July 2007, 02:50

I get the call today from Jim's Guns in Raleigh that "my" New Agent came in.
Good deal. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

cliff731

31st July 2007, 03:43

Cliff I carry a Compact at work and she is an excellent pistol. At the mid 500s that sounds like a good buy.
I prefer a steel framed pistol and the New Agent is aluminum. With that said I doubt the New Agent is going to get as much range time as most other Government Models. With the lightweight receiver and sight trench (I am going to find out the correct term) I believe this would be a good back up/deep cover pistol.
You may check out that Compact but be sure it has not been "improved".

Thanks, Hunter. I do appreciate your reply and comments regarding the Colt Compact. No doubt, it would be wise to check for "improved"... a sound reason to always lay one down and exit the gunstore.

"Sight trench" sounds good to me... I'm as curious as you though regarding what Colt might "officially" term such.

This new Colt appears to be positioning in direct competition to all other very compact handgun designs that are obviously specific CCW use. Colt has undoubtedly read the "market" and projects a healthy trend regarding the sales of such firearms.

Hunter

31st July 2007, 03:53

I agree that this is a very niche pistol but a niche that needs to be filled. I really like the Compact (though I did install a reverse recoil spring plug and did away with the one with the tab).
The Compact dispels the rumor that a short slide Government Model style pistol is not reliable.
I have run many rounds down range and the vast majority were 185gr and 200gr LSWCs with JHP a close second and FMJ a distant third without a failure
I hope the New Agent can live up to what I have come to expect from my Compact.

niceone

31st July 2007, 04:03

Never mind the sights cliff731. The laser will take care of it. Wait, where is the rail to install the laser? Oh my gosh!

Frank

31st July 2007, 04:26

Don't need a rail. When you buy the gun, Colt has a laser surgically implanted in your forehead.

DVC

cliff731

31st July 2007, 04:52

Never mind the sights cliff731. The laser will take care of it. Wait, where is the rail to install the laser? Oh my gosh!

No doubt, CTC is tooling up for this one already!!!

cliff731

31st July 2007, 05:04

...The Compact dispels the rumor that a short slide Government Model style pistol is not reliable.
I have run many rounds down range and the vast majority were 185gr and 200gr LSWCs with JHP a close second and FMJ a distant third without a failure
I hope the New Agent can live up to what I have come to expect from my Compact.

Hunter, that's an outstanding testament to your Colt's reliability. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

jeff1124

31st July 2007, 06:57

I hope the New Agent can live up to what I have come to expect from my Compact.

I believe you will find that it does, Hunter, mine has been aces through almost 200 rounds of mixed ammo. Have fun with the test, I'm anxious to see if you think as highly of it as I do. :)

OD*

31st July 2007, 11:15

With the lightweight receiver and sight trench (I am going to find out the correct term) I believe this would be a good back up/deep cover pistol.
You may check out that Compact but be sure it has not been "improved".
In the early advertising, before they changed the name, Colt refered to it as a trench.

http://forums.1911forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30585&d=1172260753

cameroni

31st July 2007, 16:32

Guttersnipe is a fun term for the sight/non-sight. Remember snipe hunts!?

Compact=OACP,right? I wasn't aware of that size 1911 being unreliable. OACP was my only carry gun for more years than I'd lke to admit....I wouldn't have carried it if it was in any way unreliable. It is loose as a goose for "old Faithful" reliable functioning while clean/dirty,or in the event I feed it the wrong ammo :nono: ;but the bell-bottom bbl./bushing lock up nicely tight).

Folks(some) who tend not to prefer alloy frames never purchase them. Carrying,shooting,living with LW framed guns has spoilt me :) I just got a new 1911PD(I lusted in my heart...). The way I see it,it is a Colt that jumped a few fences and had a different "brand" burnt in(the Raven).

Go Hunter!!!

mike

OD*

31st July 2007, 17:08

Paris Theodore's "Guttersnipe" sight is similar, but a little different. ;)

Theodore's ASP (Advanced Sighting Plane) and his "Guttersnipe."
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/jdarkcrown/images/asp_2000_005.jpg

http://commanderbond.net/resources/sections/news/images/asp/asp.jpg

jeff1124

31st July 2007, 17:59

In the early advertising, before they changed the name, Colt refered to it as a trench.

http://forums.1911forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30585&d=1172260753

early advertising? late advertising? any advertising? When was there any advertising from Colt on the new model? The only "advertising" I saw was by Mark Roberts, and others passing on his info, on these forums! Was there an announcement in a trade paper or something? I know that rumors were "rampant" prior to the shot show.

Hunter

31st July 2007, 18:37

I called Mark this morning and we are going with "trench sight". He sure is a patient man with me. :D

JustinTime

31st July 2007, 21:23

I called Mark this morning and we are going with "trench sight". He sure is a patient man with me. :D

He'd have to be. He must have young children. :p

swampthang

31st July 2007, 21:24

Cool, now git to testing and give us the review!!!!!

JustinTime

31st July 2007, 21:28

Dan, that picture is really cool.

OD*

31st July 2007, 21:38

early advertising? late advertising? any advertising? When was there any advertising from Colt on the new model? The only "advertising" I saw was by Mark Roberts, and others passing on his info, on these forums! Was there an announcement in a trade paper or something? I know that rumors were "rampant" prior to the shot show.
I guess you didn't click on the link?

http://forums.1911forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30585&d=1172260753

Joni Lynn

31st July 2007, 22:07

Slick looking gun! I'm looking forward to the range report!

dakota1911

31st July 2007, 22:25

Yes, looking at a range report>

cameroni

31st July 2007, 22:56

OD,I clicked the link and was unceremoniously whisked to some alien(to me) landscape of "1911forum";but couldn't get in.

Respectfully,
mike

OD*

31st July 2007, 22:58

Ah, you may have to be a member.
Sorry, Mike. :o

jeff1124

31st July 2007, 23:03

I guess you didn't click on the link?

http://forums.1911forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30585&d=1172260753

You are 100% correct sir, I did not. First Colt ad I've seen in some time that wasn't for a commemorative model of some kind!

OD*

31st July 2007, 23:10

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb274/OD1911/NewAgent.jpg

cameroni

31st July 2007, 23:10

Ah, you may have to be a member.
Sorry, Mike. :o

Right,amigo!
I have always been dubious of any group that would accept me as a member :bf:

Godspeed,
mike

cameroni

31st July 2007, 23:12

Now I see it!

I really like the looks of the Agent!!!!

Very nice,
mike

larry starling

1st August 2007, 18:54

Congrats on the new arrival my friend.....Cant wait to read your review. Hope things have been going well? :)

jeff1124

2nd August 2007, 20:10

I shot my New Agent tonight again, 150 more rounds of hardball and still no flaws!! I did however, break it down and clean and oil her up afterwards just because it seemed like the right thing to do! :) So now it's been through a mixed bag of over 330 rounds of ammo without a problem!

daveohno

2nd August 2007, 20:28

Good that she is working as expected! You're the only kid on the block with one!

jeff1124

2nd August 2007, 20:48

The only thing that's the least bit annoying about the gun is, it seems to require a 12 o'clock hold for direct center hits at 10 yards. Not a huge deal, once I'm familiar with the gun, except that none of my other Colts require a high hold! It definitely shoots straight though, I have a couple of phone camera pics to attest to that but I left my USB/phone cable at work!

Hunter

2nd August 2007, 20:58

I talked to Mark about the sight trench and he told me it is set up to be point of aim point of impact at close ranges. I can imagine the sight trench will take a little getting used to but that is what trigger time is for. :D

larry starling

3rd August 2007, 17:59

clughog

3rd August 2007, 20:12

Just got mine last night, but won't have a chance to shoot it for a while...can't wait!

jeff1124

3rd August 2007, 21:04

Just got mine last night, but won't have a chance to shoot it for a while...can't wait! wow!! Congratulations clughog!!! Mind if I ask what you had to pay? I think you will be happy with it, I've been carrying mine all day today, very comfortable, best Colt I have to carry, comfortwise!

Here are the two pics from my range outing, the top one is one handed only after I shot 2 handed to get the sighting in. The second pic you can see low hits which were the first shots taken before I adjusted to hit center. All shots were taken from 10 yards.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/jeff1124/Colt%201911/1hand.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/jeff1124/Colt%201911/2hand.jpg

One handed shooting is interesting, the pistol really torques to one side when shooting. I wonder if a small radius fps would help this short barreled gun?

The hits to the right of the target were from a previous outing.

clughog

3rd August 2007, 22:08

Nice shoot'n, Jeff! PM sent. I'm really anxious to try mine out.

elijdub

3rd August 2007, 22:17

Good shooting Jeff!

Congrats Clughog...hope to see some pics!!! We're short on NA pics around here! (hint, feel free to post some more Jeff!!!) I can't get enough of lookin' at this one!

daveohno

3rd August 2007, 22:37

Good to see you're putting the little Colt thru the paces!

OD*

4th August 2007, 00:21

Real good shooting, Jeff. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

Were you indexing using the trench, or the top of the slide as in point shooting?

jeff1124

4th August 2007, 00:29

I was looking down the trench at the top of the circular target when I was hitting center target. I wonder if I should be using just the front cutout of the trench on the target center, that would raise the barrel some! :D

OD*

4th August 2007, 00:35

Try looking down the top of the slide and not using the trench at all, see what you think. I've tried it numerous times (not with the New Agent of course) and find the accuracy impressive.

jeff1124

4th August 2007, 07:17

I'll give it a try, OD* maybe more than one try :D I'm probably guilty of trying to over aim a gun that's intention is to win in CQ. I think that I verified that it shoots straight enough and is pretty reliable!

swampthang

4th August 2007, 07:51

Very good shooting Jeff, That NA really seems to be a hit with the folks who have them.

OD*

4th August 2007, 10:13

I think that I verified that it shoots straight enough and is pretty reliable!
I think you did too. ;)

LOBO

4th August 2007, 11:44

Good shooting!

Chris

Hunter

4th August 2007, 12:09

Yea Jeff very nice. If my targets are not that good for the article maybe I can cheat a little (you know a left click and safe to my harddrive). :D

Jeffrey

4th August 2007, 13:52

Very nice shooting Jeff.

stormbringerr

4th August 2007, 14:23

i want one of those too.

jeff1124

4th August 2007, 14:49

Yea Jeff very nice. If my targets are not that good for the article maybe I can cheat a little (you know a left click and safe to my harddrive). :D

Hunter, I'm certain that you'll do just fine! How soon are you going to be able to shoot it?

Hunter

4th August 2007, 17:30

Jeff I had planned to go tomorrow but I am not sure that will happen.
I have run a few more rounds here at the house of JHP and LSWC and so far the little Colt is 100%

garrettwc

4th August 2007, 21:58

I was out and about today hitting up the local haunts and one of them had a New Agent in the case. Of course I had to get my hands on it.

I didn't realize it had slimline grips. That combined with the serrated front strap felt great. The frame is just long enough. I don't have to curl my pinkie under like I do on other little guns.

And the trigger, oh my mercy, that trigger. Almost no perceptible takeup. No creep ( zero, zip, nada, absolutely none), and just the right amount of overtravel. The preverbial glass rod. It feels like the trigger on a $3K custom gun.

Too bad I had to hand it back to the salesman, but I will get one of these!

larry starling

4th August 2007, 22:02

Jeff I had planned to go tomorrow but I am not sure that will happen.
I have run a few more rounds here at the house of JHP and LSWC and so far the little Colt is 100%
Can't wait to hear the report....
garrettwc I was out and about today hitting up the local haunts and one of them had a New Agent in the case. Of course I had to get my hands on it.Too bad I had to hand it back to the salesman, but I will get one of these
I'm starting to get the bug for one as well.

JustinTime

5th August 2007, 01:35

Try looking down the top of the slide and not using the trench at all, see what you think. I've tried it numerous times (not with the New Agent of course) and find the accuracy impressive.

I've experienced this mehtod before as well. Not with the a trench sight gun. But I had a buddy that had a taurus pt140 that you couldn't use the sights on to save your life. I simply would raise the gun up until I couldn't see the bull anymore. I was looking at the rear of the slide and I would hit bull everytime. I expect that is what I'll try with the New Agent as well.

Hunter

5th August 2007, 12:50

For those of you considering the New Agent I will offer this piece of advice.
Get one

Joni Lynn

5th August 2007, 12:56

Dr Coltitis has spoken! :D

paul45

5th August 2007, 13:25

Apparently, the price is dropping already.....I was noticed 6 or 7 of them on GB....and 1 for sale here!

Frank

5th August 2007, 13:49

For those of you considering the New Agent I will offer this piece of advice.
Get one
I would, but it ain't on the California list. Can we move in with you?

DVC

Brian D.

5th August 2007, 14:03

Please excuse my oversight if this has been covered already, but:

Are the innards of the New Agent the same as the Defender?

jeff1124

5th August 2007, 14:08

Please excuse my oversight if this has been covered already, but:

Are the innards of the New Agent the same as the Defender?

I believe that they are, all except the finish of them and no stainless! The box label calls it a Defender Concealed Carry.

Brian D.

5th August 2007, 14:12

Alright, thanks. While my Defender's recoil setup has always seemed Rube Goldberg-ish to me--and I change the larger spring pretty often--it hasn't failed. Was wondering if Colt's had invented yet another kind of system for this newest undertaking.

larry starling

5th August 2007, 16:08

For those of you considering the New Agent I will offer this piece of advice.
Get one
Uh OH! Hunter is trying to get me in trouble with the wife again!!!! :scared:

Hunter

5th August 2007, 16:10

I would, but it ain't on the California list. Can we move in with you?

DVC
Yes Frank bring it on. :D
Larry I doubt you would be sorry with the New Agent.

larry starling

5th August 2007, 16:22

Larry I doubt you would be sorry with the New Agent.
Maybe in the near future, can't do nothing right now!!!!! :bed:

daveohno

5th August 2007, 18:28

I have one of these on my I will get list, but the BHB keeps whispering in my ear about other things. Blue 4" Diamondback, .22 you need this one, Remington 870 shotgun, you need one..... Do you have any money left? I have a whole store to sell you! :D

I need a 4th job! :(

OD*

5th August 2007, 23:27

Hmm, you don't have an 8" Python, do you Dave? http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/evilbanana9.gif

The BHB

azreloader

14th August 2007, 18:09

Davidsons showed 18 of these on Monday. As of now, they are all gone. Price was right at $800

Mick_In_Texas

14th August 2007, 19:18

... Hee hee... not to burst your bubble, sounds like it's performing exceptionally well! I had a co-worker, private sector, years ago, who got a Smith revolver, .357 Mag, in a 2-1/2 barrel, and it was a BEAR with .357 ammo! Lately, I've become very open to the 4" Commander type in .45 ACP... But, less than that, I don't know, Bro.

Still, this is a BEAUTY. I'm pretty much a Colt's guy, now, with 4 to 2 to 2 to 1 to 1 on pistols/revolvers. I'm working on a .223 M4 rifle, and have an SKS coming, but I've lately realy soured on Chinese stuff... nothing against the Norinco folks... The M4 would be a Bushmaster. The SKS 7.62X39mm NATO. My Colts, though, have been exceptional... and I love them. What's your barrel/slide length on this one, Bro? Just curious, looks like about a 3". Smaller than an Officer's in 3-1/2", but sounds reliable!

Mick

sprice1973

14th August 2007, 21:59

Fine looking Colt,cant wait to read the review.

TattooPaul

15th August 2007, 00:08

She's a beaut to say the least. Guess that one has to go on the wish list too! ENJOY!!! (Shouldn't be too hard!) I'd be glad to store it for you if are cramped for space in the safe! _Paul

watchin

15th August 2007, 03:04

Does it use the same 6rd magazines as the Colt Officers 45ACP?

Hunter

15th August 2007, 03:11

Does it use the same 6rd magazines as the Colt Officers 45ACP?
The New Agent came with Checkmate magazines the same dimensions as the 6 round OACP magazines but hold 7 rounds.
The New Agent will function with either magazine as well as magazines for a full size (though the full size magazine will stick out the bottom some).

jeff1124

15th August 2007, 19:27

100 more rounds flawlessly today! Approaching the 500 round mark! I took the whole aiming thing to a different level today. I was shooting at 15 yards and I noticed that when I had the front of the notch aligned with the bull but was not "aiming" with the entire trough, that I was able to hit where I was "pointing". I think OD* was correct with his advice about not trying to overaim with the trough but try to Point at the target.
I guess it's harder to explain, maybe Hunter can do a better job when he writes up the test for the ezine.:) Suffice it to say, I can now hit where I "point" it and it's reliable so it's now officially my carry gun!:D

paul45

15th August 2007, 19:39

Geez....great news, Jeff!

OD*

15th August 2007, 20:07

Excellent, Jeff. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

elijdub

15th August 2007, 20:08

Makes perfect sense to me Jeff....sounds like you're getting a handle on the "trough"! Nice!

watchin

15th August 2007, 23:51

Sounds good! Point shooting is probably what you would do in a 'hot' situation anyway. The New Agent is top on the list on my 'To Get' items. I have an OACP that is also very reliable..and accurized. What the heck, one for each pocket!
-watchin-

Hunter

16th August 2007, 00:19

I have had nothing but excellent results from the New Agent in the past 2 range trips but there is 1 more trip left before the article is finished.

JustinTime

16th August 2007, 04:55

This thing is sweet. As you can see I've already taylored mine to my liking. I haven't shot it yet.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/96vortechSS/Thefamily004.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/96vortechSS/Thefamily005.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/96vortechSS/Thefamily009.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/96vortechSS/Thefamily014.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/96vortechSS/Thefamily015.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/96vortechSS/Thefamily017.jpg

OD*

16th August 2007, 10:50

Looks good, Justin. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

I think I prefer it with the rowel hammer and short trigger.

JustinTime

16th August 2007, 12:07

I do too Dan.

garrettwc

16th August 2007, 15:39

I like the rowel hammer too. I have long fingers though so I would have to keep the original trigger. Looks good.

JustinTime

16th August 2007, 18:34

I like the rowel hammer too. I have long fingers though so I would have to keep the original trigger. Looks good.

Thanks garrett. With the thin stocks my finger engulfs the short trigger but I tend to pull the trigger more smoothly with the shorties.

jeff1124

16th August 2007, 19:48

Nope, sorry, but the original look is the winner in my book!!! and why the pictures with a Glock? it's like taking a picture of Heidi Klumm with one of those Geico cavemen!! eeek! :p

daveohno

16th August 2007, 19:52

He's even got a tupperware "thing" as his avatar. I think he's trying to make Hunter crazier than he already is... :D

clughog

16th August 2007, 20:00

Nope, sorry, but the original look is the winner in my book!!! and why the pictures with a Glock? it's like taking a picture of Heidi Klumm with one of those Geico cavemen!! eeek! :pDoesn't look bad, Justin! But I have to agree with Jeff on this one--I like the looks of the stock version just fine. I especially like the blacked out skeletonized trigger. The more I handle mine, the better I like it--can't wait to hear Hunter's report AND get to shoot it.

Joni Lynn

16th August 2007, 20:01

Oh..........I don't know a couple of those cavemen looked 'not so bad'............( ;) Y ;) )

daveohno

16th August 2007, 20:51

Joni prefers the roughneck sort of guy...... :D

Joni Lynn

16th August 2007, 21:08

Well............the one guy looks like my kinda guy..............in a caveman sorta way......................well.......................
Hey!!!!
It's so easy even a caveman can do it! :D

elijdub

16th August 2007, 21:16

JustinTime

16th August 2007, 21:42

Nope, sorry, but the original look is the winner in my book!!! and why the pictures with a Glock? it's like taking a picture of Heidi Klumm with one of those Geico cavemen!! eeek! :p

Jeff, I'm glad you like the look of the New Agent the way it comes. To me the hammer/grip safety combo don't go together. An newer elongated hammer usually associated with beavertail grip safeties incorporated with a 1980's style commander grip safety that was designed for rowel hammers. Plus the Gunsite CCO has a rowel hammer. As for the pic with the Glock...well I needed something to prop the Agent up for the photo and well...it was on my hip at the time.

JustinTime

16th August 2007, 21:45

He's even got a tupperware "thing" as his avatar. I think he's trying to make Hunter crazier than he already is... :D

LOL...I don't know if that is possible. However I don't want everyone else around here to forget what a real work/combat gun looks like. :p

JustinTime

16th August 2007, 21:48

Doesn't look bad, Justin! But I have to agree with Jeff on this one--I like the looks of the stock version just fine. I especially like the blacked out skeletonized trigger. The more I handle mine, the better I like it--can't wait to hear Hunter's report AND get to shoot it.

Thanks Creighton, I know you cringed when I told you I already modded it out. My Taurus PT1911 had a black three hole trigger. I guess it really turned me off to that look. I agree with you the more I handle it the more I like it. I've almost rubbed the blueing off on one side. :o

JustinTime

16th August 2007, 21:51

My vote is in favor of the mods Justin! I like the idea of the short trigger...i tend to pull down and left with a longer one too...and the rowel hammer just looks cool IMO.
Dont know 'bout that "other" gun though ;)!

Thanks Eli, glad you like it. C'mon about the Glock. That is one of my favorite guns. Why?....I don't have to baby it, worry about scratches, it works everytime (so do the 1911's). Simply it is a knock around gun that gets the job done.

elijdub

16th August 2007, 22:58

Thanks Eli, glad you like it. C'mon about the Glock. That is one of my favorite guns. Why?....I don't have to baby it, worry about scratches, it works everytime (so do the 1911's). Simply it is a knock around gun that gets the job done.
I hear ya'....my CC instructor had one, and during my class last summer i got to fire it some. It actually was kinda' fun :o I do like the idea of beating the heck out of something and still having it work 100%.
That's enough of that though, before i get "the boot" for this sacrilege :nono:

Mushinto

16th August 2007, 23:13

-- I am very happy to see Colt come out with any new model

-- I am very sad that this pistol was so poorly executed.

-- Sight slot is a joke. Doesn't anyone remember that the Guttersnipe proved to be an utter failure? Lack of visible sights has no useful advantage

-- Since it is not a repro, reissue or retro anything, there is no excuse not to fit it with a useable beavertail

-- I like the abbreviated thumb safety

-- Some decent looking groups posted, but I wonder how fast they were fired

-- I love a pony on my guns

-- I love Colt; they just keep embarrassing me like an incontinent uncle

ML

clughog

16th August 2007, 23:27

Surely no one is really offended by that little picture of a plastic pistol! I've seen worse avatars here on the Forum...and, besides, we're having fun ribb'n Justin. By the way, I've seen it in person, and it's not a bad look'n piece (for tupperware, anyway). At any rate, the Forum even has a Miscellaneous section for non-1911 favorites, so I don't mind anyone's personal avatars!

Hunter

16th August 2007, 23:34

I am very sad that this pistol was so poorly executed.

Sight slot is a joke.

Since it is not a repro, reissue or retro anything, there is no excuse not to fit it with a useable beavertail I love Colt; they just keep embarrassing me like an incontinent uncle
I am assuming you have not fired this pistol you are so quick to judge.
This pistol is very well executed, I know because I have had mine apart and ran a pile of rounds through it without fail.
The trench sight is far from a joke. You just need to know how to use it.
The grip safety is perfect for the usage.
Look this is not a range or IDPA pistol. It serves 1 purpose, easy of carry and concealability so if ever needed it can save your bacon. If it comes to that I doubt you will care about the beavertail. This gun works and does it's intended job very well. I shot some nice groups with mine at a accelerated pace.
It is not wise to judge unless well informed.

JustinTime

16th August 2007, 23:43

I am very happy to see Colt come out with any new model

Me too.

I am very sad that this pistol was so poorly executed.

Your opinion...and you are in the minority thus far.

Sight slot is a joke. Doesn't anyone remember that the Guttersnipe proved to be an utter failure? Lack of visible sights has no useful advantage

Again, your opinion. And who cares if it has an advantage...it's cool.

Since it is not a repro, reissue or retro anything, there is no excuse not to fit it with a useable beavertail

There isn't an excuse to fit it with one either.

Some decent looking groups posted, but I wonder how fast they were fired

Fast enough I'm sure. I don't even use the sights on pistols equiped with them when I double and triple tap. Alway hit center mass too.

I love a pony on my guns

OK, ;)

I love Colt; they just keep embarrassing me like an incontinent uncle

To that I say I think you take what the folks at colt do too seriously. You don't have to buy Colt. Maybe Kimber is more up you ally.

daveohno

17th August 2007, 00:21

They just keep a poppin up. Lookit 'em, they're everywhere! :lh:

Mushinto

17th August 2007, 01:25

I am assuming you have not fired this pistol you are so quick to judge. This pistol is very well executed, I know because I have had mine apart and ran a pile of rounds through it without fail.
I'm sure it works. It's a Colt. I have no problem with the 1911 design. I carry one every day and have for over 30 years.

The trench sight is far from a joke. You just need to know how to use it.
I guess we have to agree to disagree on this. Groove sights have come and gone as far as I am concerned. To limit a weapon of this size to "across the table" shooting is a waste. As said, I've carried a 1911 a lot and the sights don't get in the way. The entire defensive pistol industry has come light-years ahead in producing guns with high-visibility sights and it amazes me that Colt has somehow managed to go in the opposite direction.

The grip safety is perfect for the usage.
Maybe that's just a matter of taste. The original Defender had a marvelous grip safety that was actually shorter than the NA. My opinion is that it was just a manufacturing shortcut.

Look this is not a range or IDPA pistol. It serves 1 purpose, easy of carry and conceal ability so if ever needed it can save your bacon. If it comes to that I doubt you will care about the beavertail. This gun works and does its intended job very well. I shot some nice groups with mine at a accelerated pace.
If it didn’t work, neither of us would bother talking about it.

-- I am very sad that this pistol was so poorly executed.

Your opinion...and you are in the minority thus far.

On this forum, apparently that’s very true. I just felt there was a need for another opinion.

… Lack of visible sights has no useful advantage

Again, your opinion. And who cares if it has an advantage...it's cool.

Blatantly honest. I can identify with the coolness factor. It’s just not to me. Now, maybe with ivory grips …

Some decent looking groups posted, but I wonder how fast they were fired.

Fast enough I'm sure. I don't even use the sights on pistols equipped with them when I double and triple tap. Always hit center mass too.

I can’t argue with your success. I was taught to shoot with sights (Cooper, Chapman, other old guys) and that’s the way I teach. However, that debate could go on forever ….

OK,

OK,

… You don't have to buy Colt. Maybe Kimber is more up you ally.

Now that hurt. I thought we were getting along so well.

ML

cameroni

17th August 2007, 02:08

Mushinto,everyone's opinions are important(everybody has one...) and welcome here.

I agree with you;that comment Justin Time made about 'Kimber might be just up your alley' was just nasty;and gave me a good laughing jag. I've been grumpy as a bear with a toothache;so I wanted to thank you all for your pithy comments. Now that's funny! Thanks,Justin.

It ain't the car;it's the driver.

mike

JustinTime

17th August 2007, 04:52

On this forum, apparently that’s very true. I just felt there was a need for another opinion.

Sir, your opinion is entirely welcome here. I promise! However there is a huge difference in saying it is poorly executed and saying you wish they had built it differently for (insert reason). That is all I was getting at.

Now that hurt. I thought we were getting along so well.

Sorry, you said Colt continually embarrasses you. I don't understand how you could get embarrassed by what a company with which you have no personal ties to builds or doesn't build.

paul45

17th August 2007, 07:37

it amazes me that Colt has somehow managed to go in the opposite direction.
I disagree. I believe Colt is offering choices. You want sights with a 3 inch?.....you can choose a Defender. One who understands sightless point shooting.......they can choose a New Agent. That is moving forward in my opinion.

I love Colt; they just keep embarrassing me like an incontinent uncle
Personally, I just don't understand your embarrassment. Offering a new choice in an extensive lineup from retros to Special Combats is far from embarassing to me.

Pointblank

17th August 2007, 18:47

This is a pure self-defense, close-quarter weapon. When you are in that situation you do not see your sights anyway. I was an LEO for over 32 years. We trained both ways, with sights and point shooting. Up to about 7 seven yards point shooting is deadly effective. The New Agent seems perfect for that function. No sights to snag and fast into action. As for point shooting, there is a natural relationship between your eye and your index finger. A little bit of practice will allow you to use the gun as an extention of your index finger and point at the threat as a reflex. I think this new Colt is an excellent addition to the stable.

Mushinto

17th August 2007, 22:48

I agree with you that at close range point shooting can be effective, although I don't consider 7 yards close. When I first started LE, we were forced to qualify from 7 yards "from the hip." After a while, I got quite good at it.

But, why would someone carry a weapon as large as an NA "just for close range?" What if you need to take a shot at 20 yards? 30 yards? What are the sights going to hang up on? We're not talking about a Bomar Rib or an Aimpoint here.

Hunter

17th August 2007, 22:57

But, why would someone carry a weapon as large as an NA "just for close range?" What if you need to take a shot at 20 yards? 30 yards?
Have you seen the pictures on the New Agent? It fits nicely in my front pocket so I would not say it is large at all.

You should not be taking shots at 20 or 30 yards with your CCW because that would never be concerned imminent threat.
Is there something you have against Colt or the New Agent? If you don't like it fine but I am not sure of your intentions.

OD*

17th August 2007, 23:20

Watch these videos and see what D.R. Middlebrooks can do with a pistol that has no sights.

http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=715980776&channel=429149807

JustinTime

18th August 2007, 00:38

What if you need to take a shot at 20 yards? 30 yards?

Your talking about 100 feet away. I agree with Hunter they are not considered an iminent threat to you from 20-30 yards away therefore no justification for drawing your weapon.

Frank

18th August 2007, 00:50

You never can tell what will be necessary to solve the problem. A BG 20 yards away may not be a threat to you (although you never know). But he may be a lot closer to your kid, and present an immediate threat to him. Would you be able to neutralize the threat ot your child from a distance or would you need to spend time closing ground?

Sure, you'd probably never need or be justified to engage a possible threat at a significant distance. But how absolutely certain are you of that.

That said, it looks like a fine pistol, and I'd be tempted. But I doubt that it's going to get on the California approved list.

DVC

daveohno

18th August 2007, 01:49

I doubt I would be shooting at anything more than 30 feet away from me here, but I am in a heavily populated city.

JustinTime

18th August 2007, 03:33

Pointblank

18th August 2007, 14:34

I think if you need to worry about a threat 20 to 30 yards away on a daily basis you need to either start carrying a rifle, hire a bodyguard or move!

:lh:

Frank

18th August 2007, 17:20

I think if you need to worry about a threat 20 to 30 yards away on a daily basis you need to either start carrying a rifle, hire a bodyguard...
Actually, I think the thing to remember is that just because the odds are that any threat you may need to attend to will be close, doesn't mean that the threat with which you must deal, today, right now, will be.

If you only plan and train for the most likely situations, and don't consider what is possible but less likely, you may be caught up short. And of course, if you only train and plan for what is possible but unlikely, you also may be caught up short. I suggest that it's a good idea to be balanced in both your thinking and training.

DVC

jeff1124

18th August 2007, 17:32

I guess I only plan to defend myself and/or my family in the case that someone poses an immediate threat to my/our safety. If it comes to an all out war, I have other weapons I can look to, but can't carry concealed. I can't be prepared for anything, I may be caught up short, when I'm away from my home base.

Ogie

18th August 2007, 22:25

I think if you need to worry about a threat 20 to 30 yards away on a daily basis you need to either start carrying a rifle, hire a bodyguard or move!

:lh:

What are the odds of any kind of daily threat? Then why carry a gun at all?

dakota1911

18th August 2007, 23:21

Ogie

19th August 2007, 00:20

I live in a more rual environment and the last couple bad things I blasted with a Colt Commander were rabid skunks. The longest shot was 44 yards. Daily threat? Depends on where you live. I saw a dog attack on a 14 year old girl. What the (medium size) dog did in 30 seconds was amazing. She lived. The dog was a family pet. Why have dogs at all?

Exactly my point!

It is foolish to say that there absolutely cannot be a threat from 20 or 30 yards away. You just never know. Just because the average number of rounds fired in a gunfight is less than three doesn't mean you should only carry three rounds in your Colt Commander. By the same token, if someone feels more comfortable carrying a pistol with sights than without, then I don't see any purpose in quoting the slim odds of having to use a pistol at greater distances The odds are probably similar to those of having to use a pistol at all. The problem is that stuff happens sometimes that contradict the odds. The solution is to carry as many rounds as you feel comfortable with and to carry the kind of pistol you are comfortable with for your own personal situation.

JustinTime

19th August 2007, 04:33

Exactly my point!

It is foolish to say that there absolutely cannot be a threat from 20 or 30 yards away. You just never know. Just because the average number of rounds fired in a gunfight is less than three doesn't mean you should only carry three rounds in your Colt Commander. By the same token, if someone feels more comfortable carrying a pistol with sights than without, then I don't see any purpose in quoting the slim odds of having to use a pistol at greater distances The odds are probably similar to those of having to use a pistol at all. The problem is that stuff happens sometimes that contradict the odds. The solution is to carry as many rounds as you feel comfortable with and to carry the kind of pistol you are comfortable with for your own personal situation.

Good point Ogie. My next comment is not necessarily directed at you so please do not get offended. This thread is getting derailed badly. This is not intended to be a thread in the M1911 for defense forum.

Bottom line the pistol doesn't come with sights because it is inted to be able to be pocketed in say a jacket or something similar and without sights the little pistol is snag free.

sff70

19th August 2007, 11:46

I detect an undercurrent of the "point shooting" v. "use the sights" debate.

I train to use the sights as much as possible (for example, I compete in IDPA and USPSA/IPSC), but it is my experience (12 yrs) as an LE trainer (among other things, running hundreds of force on force drills with non lethal training ammunition, etc) that under *****critical incident stress*****, in up close and personal fights, people do not use their sights, even highly trained people. We are hard-wired to focus on the threat. It is tremendously difficult to change this.

However, as distance increases (perhaps because the threat is perceived as not quite so overwhelmingly menacing), and/or precision is required, people do tend to use their sights. High profile sights (such as the Ashley Express) are very helpful in these situations.

Most LE shootings occur at 21 feet and closer, in lowlight conditions. The majority of these shootings occur at 10 feet and closer (just over half of them at at 5 feet and closer), what can be referred to as "bad breath" distances, as you are so close to your adversary.

There are several FBI publications in which they interview bad guys who shot cops. Overwhelmingly, they do not use their sights, yet they hit their intended target.

I have experiemented by taping over the sights on a pistol and firing it. No problem getting good hits out to 10 yards. How so? We humans have (sometimes highly developed, sometimes simply adequate) eye/hand coordination that allows us to point, hit, and throw projectiles at targets.

It might have been Col. Cooper who said, the body aims the firearm, the sights verify that it is pointed on target. The amount of visual verification required from the sights to obtain a hit depends on the difficulty of the shot.

IMO, the trench "sight" is useful for the purpose intended, and I wish Colt success with this model.

Also, IMO, the masses will not buy this gun because it lacks sights, which they expect, and because they do not understand the rationale of the trench sight.

Perhaps Colt could offer a variant with low profile sights?

Alvin York did pretty well with the minimalist sights on his M1911.

FWIW,

Scott

JustinTime

19th August 2007, 15:16

Very good post Scott.

Ogie

19th August 2007, 15:33

Good point Ogie. My next comment is not necessarily directed at you so please do not get offended. This thread is getting derailed badly. This is not intended to be a thread in the M1911 for defense forum.

Bottom line the pistol doesn't come with sights because it is inted to be able to be pocketed in say a jacket or something similar and without sights the little pistol is snag free.

No offense taken. I did think however that the thread had something to do with the Colt New Agent for defense.

If the Colt New Agent can fit in my jean's front pocket like my S&W 642, then I am all for it. Otherwise I thnk the Colt Defender would work better for me. Close up, no you are not likely to use your sights. In fact, I am starting to rethink the use of night sights. It seems like lining up three dots in a crisis situation, in the dark, would take more time that could be usefully used otherwise.

JustinTime

19th August 2007, 16:42

No offense taken

good!

If the Colt New Agent can fit in my jean's front pocket like my S&W 642

I believe it will fit in your pocket. I'm not sure how badly it will print though.

I am starting to rethink the use of night sights. It seems like lining up three dots in a crisis situation, in the dark, would take more time that could be usefully used otherwise.

You might look into only installing a night sight on the front only and no dots on the rear sight. That is how my pistols are setup. With exception to the new agent of course.

sff70

19th August 2007, 16:45

I, too, would like to compare the "New Agent" to a J frame smith.

Hunter, are you listening?

I don't like 3 dot sights, and I find the extremely bright truglo brand sights to be exteremly annoying.

I prefer Heinie straight 8s, and Novak Bar-Dots.

For those unable to switch from 3 dot tritium sights, I recommend dulling the brightness on the rear dots by applying a sharpie marker.

Hunter

19th August 2007, 19:03

Well I don't have a J frame Smith but I could compare it to a Ruger SP 101. Would that be close enough?
I have carried it in my front pocket and it did not print.

daveohno

19th August 2007, 19:27

Those J frame S&W's are more like a Colt D frame (Detective Special & Diamondback) than a Ruger SP 101 I would think. I think the Ruger has a slightly larger frame. Anyway, if your Ruger wouldn't print, I don't think a J frame would either, it's probably a tad smaller.

Ogie

19th August 2007, 19:32

My S&W 642 does not print with a DeSantis pocket holster. I doubt that you can do the same with a Colt New Agent.

clughog

19th August 2007, 20:01

I think that a lot of folks, like me, will find that the New Agent is much more impressive in person than in the pictures. I am sold on the pistol now, and was one of it's "naysayers" before I actually handled one. Now it will probably replace my Defender for most carry purposes (but I still love my Defender!). At the gun show this weekend, I had one at my table for display purposes, and it was very well received. Everyone who looked at it was impressed. It's amazing how much smaller it appears next to the Defender, and they're the same basic pistol. With the ultra slim grips and no sights, it's certainly not going to print as much as 99% of the 1911's out there. And some of us just plain prefer the 1911 to a reveolver for carry purposes. I think Colt will sell a ton of them!

JustinTime

19th August 2007, 21:34

Well, some of you are going to absolutely hate me for this. But I've been wanting to do this and today I had to stay home instead of getting to go to the gunshow with Creighton. This is what happens after a day of by myself.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/96vortechSS/NewAgentwithlateWWIIUSGIhammer.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/96vortechSS/NewAgentwithlateWWIIUSGIhammer1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/96vortechSS/NewAgentwithWWIIUSGIhammer2.jpg

*note* I changed the trigger out again for a blued one but the flash still makes it appear silver. I also fitted a EGW checkered slide stop so I'd have a slide stop that matched the thumb safety and hammer. In addition to th exterior mods I also swapped out the mim sear and disconnector for some (new old stock) WWII USGI sear and disconnector.

daveohno

19th August 2007, 21:39

You're busy with that new Colt!

JustinTime

19th August 2007, 21:48

You're busy with that new Colt!

Yes sir, I haven't been able to leave the house lately for long so I'm having to find new ways to keep myself content.

Ogie

19th August 2007, 21:57

Yes sir, I haven't been able to leave the house lately for long so I'm having to find new ways to keep myself contempt.

Hmph! It looks pretty nice.

I'm sure you meant content!

JustinTime

19th August 2007, 23:51

Hmph! It looks pretty nice.

I'm sure you meant content!

Thank you, and yep that is what I meant.

cameroni

20th August 2007, 07:37

elijdub

20th August 2007, 09:12

Keep those pics comin' Justin! I like the blue trigger (have to say i liked the rowel hammer myself), and the slide-stop looks great! Are those the standard grip screws (slotted vx. hex)?

OD*

20th August 2007, 10:08

JustinTime

20th August 2007, 10:51

Looks good this way too, Justin. How's the trigger pull with the new hammer and sear?

According to my electronic trigger pull gage 4.5lb

JustinTime

20th August 2007, 11:01

Justin,thanks for the New Agent pics. Very cool mods;can't have enough checkering!

I understand wanting to change out the MIM parts;good move.

I used to think I really wanted a New Agent;but it's looking more and more like I NEED one. Nice pic of the hammer and safety;the checkered slide release looks GREAT!

Defender,New Agent,and STI Escort all look like great hideaway guns to me. I'd be tickle with any one of them.

Happy shooting,
mike

Thank you Mike. STI Escorts do look cool. The nice thing I like about the New Agent and the Escort is the front strap design. I'm sure the STI is more functional in terms of grip retension but neither is plain jane. I'd go with the New Agent over the Escort though obviously. I believe Colt builds better pistols even though STI is a "semi-custom" 1911 style pistol manufacturer.

OD*

20th August 2007, 11:02

According to my electronic trigger pull gage 4.5lb
Man, that's about perfect. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

JustinTime

20th August 2007, 11:07

Kinda what I was thinking.

daveohno

20th August 2007, 18:20

What's the trigger pull on that plastic thing in your avatar?

JustinTime

21st August 2007, 03:16

What's the trigger pull on that plastic thing in your avatar?

4.75lbs. :p I don't leave anything alone.

JustinTime

21st August 2007, 03:34

Keep those pics comin' Justin! I like the blue trigger (have to say i liked the rowel hammer myself), and the slide-stop looks great! Are those the standard grip screws (slotted vx. hex)?

Sorry Eli, didn't see your post earlier. You know I'll do my best to keep the pics coming. The screws and stocks are factory. I liked the rowel hammer too. I'm thinking of putting the rowel back in and installing a wilson drop in beaver tail.

daveohno

21st August 2007, 05:29

What do you use to test the triggers? Digital or a spring type?

JustinTime

21st August 2007, 14:34

What do you use to test the triggers? Digital or a spring type?

Digital Lyman trigger gage.

jeff1124

21st August 2007, 18:54

When are you planning on shooting that thing Justin? No ranges close by?

JustinTime

22nd August 2007, 03:15

When are you planning on shooting that thing Justin? No ranges close by?

I dunno Jeff. There are plenty of ranges close to me but finding time to get to one is a problem. I may keep it unfired. :scared:

daveohno

22nd August 2007, 03:31

I dunno Jeff. There are plenty of ranges close to me but finding time to get to one is a problem. I may keep it unfired. :scared:

Sure you will. :D

jeff1124

5th September 2007, 18:49

What evr happened to the e-zine test on the New Agent? I've been looking forward to comparing notes!

daveohno

5th September 2007, 18:55

Beers got in the way. You know Hunter is always on the hunt for another cold one and a good relationship with someone other than his cat. :D

Hunter

5th September 2007, 19:08

What evr happened to the e-zine test on the New Agent? I've been looking forward to comparing notes!
We will ignore uncle Dave.
Jeff I finished the rough draft last night late. I have a little tweaking to do and will send it to Hawk so he can work his editing magic. I know it was a while back but I honestly tested this pistol thoroughly with 3 other opinions (one of which is my mother's as she shot it last Sunday) and a large cross section of defensive ammunition. John may kill me for telling the end first but the little Colt was flawless through 405 rounds of many different JHP, ball, and my home case 200gr LSWC.
I am a little slow but trying to do yall a good job.

paul45

5th September 2007, 19:33

Beers got in the way. You know Hunter is always on the hunt for another cold one and a good relationship with someone other than his cat. :DWow. That's pretty insulting.

Joni Lynn

5th September 2007, 19:39

Hunter and cold beers and myself looking for another L Baer.

Here kitty kitty..............( ;) Y ;) )

elijdub

5th September 2007, 19:42

I am a little slow but trying to do yall a good job.
...And it's much appreciated!

JustinTime

5th September 2007, 20:42

John may kill me for telling the end first but the little Colt was flawless through 405 rounds of many different JHP, ball, and my home case 200gr LSWC

Oh, :scared: your in trouble now mister. Yeah whats taking so long? Just kidding. :D

Frank

5th September 2007, 20:54

Hunter, I, for one, know that it'll be worth waiting for.

DVC

okcorral1881

5th September 2007, 21:51

Hunter and cold beers and " ", myself looking for another L Baer.

Don't forget OD*!:D

daveohno

5th September 2007, 23:39

Wow. That's pretty insulting.

Not really, most of us have better relationships with our 4 legged friends than our 2 legged friends. The little beasts like us without condition, they never argue with us, ask for money, take the car and never doubt what we tell them and never lie to us. They're swell little critters and Hunter has a cat, I prefer dogs, but many people like cats and their pets give them much enjoyment.

OD*

5th September 2007, 23:49

they never a take the car ...
Speak for yourself, Dave.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb274/OD1911/DrivingBuffy.jpg

jeff1124

6th September 2007, 06:35

is that your designated driver Dan? ;) , looks a little like my ex-wife:D

Thanks for the update Hunter, I won't tell John but I'm pretty darn sure he still can read! ;)

OD*

6th September 2007, 10:20

You know Pit Bulls Jeff, not only are they vicious killers, they're notorious car-jacker's too. :D

Joni Lynn

6th September 2007, 10:27

I had a talk with my dog about his attempted driving of my car.........he has since become quite the back seat driver. ;)

44 Man

6th September 2007, 18:36

I came back out of a store and chased my black lab over from behind the wheel of my truck with the comment; 'Get over, I keep telling you that you are not old enough to drive yet!' A fellow walking by on the sidewalk about keeled over laughing. 44 Man

jeff1124

6th September 2007, 23:51

You know Pit Bulls Jeff, not only are they vicious killers, they're notorious car-jacker's too. :D

You know, we just had another kid killed by a pit bull in Minneapolis recently but then I flip on national geographic and see Ceasar Milan (dog whisperer) with a pack of pit bulls around him, all docile and obedient and I think, it's just like kids, a person ought to have to take a test first!!!!

OD*

7th September 2007, 00:16

Remember Jeff, you're dealing with the media, the very same people who don't know a full-automatic from a semi-automatic. There are 25 breeds that are mistakenly identified as Pit Pulls.

JustinTime

7th September 2007, 00:25

Two things in life I can't be without are Colts and pit bulls. They're both the best breed imho.

jeff1124

7th September 2007, 00:53

Remember Jeff, you're dealing with the media, the very same people who don't know a full-automatic from a semi-automatic. There are 25 breeds that are mistakenly identified as Pit Pulls.

My point was that it doesn't matter what breed your dog is, if you train it properly, it won't go berserk on a member of the family. It seems like people want a "pit bull" as a status symbol, or a guardian of their stash, and they don't have a clue how to raise an animal right, so that it recognizes humans as it's leaders instead of something to be afraid of and thus, attack.

OD*

7th September 2007, 01:00

That's true Jeff, it's always the owners and not the breed.

We better get back to our regularly scheduled programing. ;)

daveohno

7th September 2007, 03:34

Pit Bulls are preferred by those that shouldn't have dogs. They mistreat the poor animal and wonder why it does something bad.

TattooPaul

7th September 2007, 13:20

My point was that it doesn't matter what breed your dog is, if you train it properly, it won't go berserk on a member of the family. It seems like people want a "pit bull" as a status symbol, or a guardian of their stash, and they don't have a clue how to raise an animal right, so that it recognizes humans as it's leaders instead of something to be afraid of and thus, attack.

The same is true for most dogs. I'm a big German Shepherd afficianado and trainer and once they know who the leader is (WITHOUT beating!!!) they only want to do what makes the pack leader happy as long as they trust that leaders judgement. I have worked with "unredeemable" rescued dogs and within days to weeks they perform off leash commands. People need the training as to how to handle a canines' instincts.