What 1911s do you have?

[John]

This is meant to replace the Profile information on this issue, that had bothered some member, enough to accuse me of being an antigunner.

Again, this is up to you, you want to vote, you do, you do not want to vote, it's fine with me.

Rgds

[mr Hotgun]

Thanks for the poll

[dimitri]

Thanks, John. It will be interesting to see the results.

I understand you being insulted. A gun owner who runs a gun site ... being called an anti!?? Your original idea was/is a good one.

[SargeMO]

Thanks, John. I appreciate and enjoy this site very much- especially the fact that there is a "guns for sale" section. Keep up the good work.

[John]

Thanks, John. It will be interesting to see the results.

I understand you being insulted. A gun owner who runs a gun site ... being called an anti!?? Your original idea was/is a good one.
The fact that I am a gun owner who runs a guns site is not so important. The person who accused me, lives in US, a place where acquiring a gun is -almost- as easy as bying a pair of jeans. And where you pay less money for a box of ammo than a pack of cigarettes (almost).

I live in a country where guns are taboo, where police considers you an outlaw, just because you ask for a permit to lawfully own a gun, where the state does everything they can to prevent people from starting in this sport, where those of us who are fortunate enough to have such a license, are forced to pay huge prices for guns and even higher for ammo.

And this person, had the guts to accuse me of collecting "statistics and data bases are one in the same and I will not assist in your design (he means desire, I assume) to count firearms in households".

As if I had made it mandatory to answer this question, if you wanted to become a member. As if I put a gun on his head to fill in the information.

That was too much! I know that some people seldom use what we all have between our ears, but this one really made me furious. Really hurt my feelings. After all those hours I've spend maintaining M1911.ORG, for people to come and get free information, free advise, free quality time.

Sorry gentlemen, your support, as expressed here, and in the other thread, really helped lift my spirits.

Kind regards

[LtlBear]

John,
I find the poll interesting in so much it might give some information on issues posted in the manufacture sections. For instance, if a large number of members have SA 1911’s, there may well be more issues posted on that section. It might help put the number of issues/problems in perspective.

If a US citizen is worried about data collection, I suggest they spend only cash on anything they do not want the government to know about. Several companies now gather the spending habits of us Americans based on our Credit purchases and there are no current laws regulating how this information can be used since it is not tied to a government agency.

Keep up the good work John, no offence taken here.

[sbvann]

thanks for polling the site john-Bill

[mr Hotgun]

I live in a country where guns are taboo, where police considers you an outlaw, just because you ask for a permit to lawfully own a gun, where the state does everything they can to prevent people from starting in this sport, where those of us who are fortunate enough to have such a license, are forced to pay huge prices for guns and even higher for ammo.

Here,s almost the same (eccept whe are allowed to reload )
John did the olympic games in Greece change anything for the shootingsport in Greece ,because it was a olympic sport also ?
I know they build a complete new shootingrange in a mountain

[beachjumper]

I have a Kimber TLE II and a Remington Rand 1911a1 circa 1944-45. I noticed you deleted the WWII models from the poll.
I think it's horse $hit that someone would accuse you of being antigun; what ever that means.
Joe

[eclipse1]

anti gun for a moderator of a gun forum??
keep up the good work john..

[stumbler]

Good info. Helps me to know which products people are satisfied with. (I presume the "Others" would be home assemble?)

[sbvann]

M1911.ORG HAS TO BE ONE OF THE BEST INFORMTIVE AND MANAGED SITES ON THE WEB-Bill

[chitoryu2454]

i am glad you decided to have the poll....thanks

[JMJ45]

I am new to the 1911 forum, and I have tried others, this is my first choice, and thanks for making it that. You are doing a wonderful job, keep up the good work.

Jake

[stumbler]

I like this, but there is one small problem. This is asking what brands you have, not how many. Like I own 2 of Brand "X", but it only counts as 1. Now if someone is interested, I have

1 of those,
1 of those,
2 of those,
oh yeah, 1 of those
and don't let me forget, 1 one of these
:)
Just added another of those:)

[Sifu]

I see there are a lot of diehard Colt and Springfield fans still out there. Kimber is gaining in popularity these days. S&W seems to be declining. Polls present interesting statistics. :rolleyes:

[tuck]

stand strong guys,I will let them do all the counting they want, it's the taking away they will have the problems with

[Bud White]

I see nothing wrong with this nor anything wrong with it being in profile... Some people are jsut to out there ... guy probley wears a tin foil hat too

[bobelk99]

John:
Thank you for the poll.
But more importantly, thank you for the moderator work you do and the concern you have for this to be a good site. I have only recently started having tirme to do the forums, and I believe 'yours' to be the best I have seen.
Most of us shooters (I almost said guys) in USA are decent sorts. It is the old 'bad apple' deal I guess.
Info to share you may find disgusting due to your environment: Last month I was able to buy one zillion Winchester white box ball at $177 US per thousand! Thanks again for all your efforts

[John]

John:
Thank you for the poll.
But more importantly, thank you for the moderator work you do and the concern you have for this to be a good site. I have only recently started having tirme to do the forums, and I believe 'yours' to be the best I have seen.
Most of us shooters (I almost said guys) in USA are decent sorts. It is the old 'bad apple' deal I guess.
Info to share you may find disgusting due to your environment: Last month I was able to buy one zillion Winchester white box ball at $177 US per thousand! Thanks again for all your efforts
One explanation, why I removed the USGI pistols.

These are usually the "collectables", whose price is from a little, to a whole lot higher than a commercial contemporary pistol. So, maybe some people might be intimidated to answer (again). The "Other" option is a cover-up for them.

If you die-hard collectors are interested in having a poll, of the USGI brands, I would be happy to create one for you. Please let me know.

Finally, thank you to all who posted in this thread expressing their opinion on me and M1911.ORG, sincerely appreciate it.

And now ladies (0.95%) and gentlemen (98.31%), if you would allow me, I'll get ready to go to the range. I need a couple more matches before April to maintain my permit, so I'd better take advantage of a sunny Saturday morning.

Rgds

P.S.: I find it rather interesting that 1% of our membership is females. Thank you for your trust ladies.

[swampertwo]

John
Thanks for all you do and have made available to all of us.

For the complainer: May your tinfoil hat never melt and let "them" get you.
Jeff
PS: I forgot to check Wilson Combat!

[John]

John
Thanks for all you do and havfe made available to all of us.

For the complainer: May your tinfoil hat never melt and let "them" get you.
Jeff
PS: I forgot to check Wilson Combat!
I added a Wilson Combat vote for you.

Rgds

[Doran]

How do you vote if you have Colt customized by Wilson Combat?

[John]

How do you vote if you have Colt customized by Wilson Combat?
Wilson Combat, I guess!

[Doran]

Too late, I guess. I already voted it a Colt before I thought about it.

[lil toad]

Sometimes I believe them knowing just how many armed and unafraid citzens are out in the world is a good thing. That being said, John, the site is a darn good one, and 99.9% of the users knew what you were doing with the question. Let the bum with the complex lose sleep at night, not you. Your better than that.

[Sabre]

This is a great poll. I am really enjoying examining the results. I am extremenly surprised to see that over 50% of those that have voted as of 12:08pm Eastern Time on 12 March have Colt's pistols!!!

[patrickj]

I don't post very often, but I would appreciate having your very fine idea returned to this site and in a very american response tell that individual to F*** O**.


I have 17 Colts, 3 SA, 2 Star, 2 Argentinians, 1 STI, 3 PO, 2 USGI, 7 revolvers, 1 Shotgun, 2 Lever Actions and some oddball stuff of interest to me.

[1911WB]

John- thanks for the great work you do for all of us. Those of us who are Americans need to be extremely grateful for our firearms rights, and do everything we can to support each other.

[jackz]

John...(I believe you are the Site's owner)
This is only my second post. I have seen this type of Crap on other forums. Please don't let the Trolls worry you in the least. Usually in a situation like this it would be taken in front of the members for a vote as what to do. When that happens the owners can sit back and relax laughing!
I clicked Springfield when I registered and have again clicked Springfield!

Regards, Jack

[valkyrierider]

I would have been easier to just say, thank's, but I don't care. I thought it was cool.

[gottripletsNC]

John,
Please do not take to heart what one ignorant moron said. He evidently doesn't have the materials between his ears to understand that for what you do and represent in this site, is by far a gun control site, especially if he/she had read some of your posts explaining your disgust at only being able to own 2 guns. Everyone on here with the exception of that one person, had the intelligence to understand what you were doing.

THANK YOU FOR RUNNING THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!

Brian Hehl

[texasbatman]

If John is an example of an anti-gunner then I am ready to join their ranks also, I am sad that it was someone from this Country that had the audacity to ask that. I could see if he were from Russia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, or other similar places but AMERICA???????? This guy must work for the Government. :) Maybe this guy is Charles Schumer or Barbara Feinstein incognito? GEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep up the good work John and thanks for all you do for all of us. We really do appreciate it. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

Jim

[thirteen]

:eek: why dont you kick the guy off the forum that accused you, I wouldnt let a dude stay at my bbq if he accused me of peeing in the pool

[Nikolai]

Greetings,
Removing this member from the forum will accomplish nothing. It's his right to disagree, sadly, but honestly. It's one thing to disagree and voice yourself on it, it's another to blatantly disrespect and attack someone else who doesn't share your particular beleif, is it not? I think we'd have a concensus here that such an attack took place in John's private messages. I'd also point out that banning, warning, or otherwise using the Discipline Whip on this member would be doing the exact same attack, disrespect, and childish act that he took on himself to begin. This is a forum, and hence, a place we're all allowed to share opinions, advice, stories, range reports, questions, concerns, etc,. That encompasses disagreements, childish as they may be. Just so the rest of you guys know, this particular member has been an active member for several months, it wasn't a troll, or newbie who wants to leave his stamp of approval on everything.

John, I do ask that you remove that ridiculous admission of fault off the forum homepage. This topic has been given more than its fair share of attention, and I, for one, am sick of hearing about it every time I want to visit. You've done nothing wrong here, and the forum populus is behind you every step of the way, as you can see here. He's already earned himself several threads, as well as hours of chat fodder, which should get him a shiny new badge to wear. It should be left at that.

If I were King, I'd want this member to blow his horn somewhere where others can hear him. We've had no posts in this thread which expressed disagreement with sharing this information, nor have we had one single "vote" for the "I'm not telling" category of firearms in the poll itself. That, to me, shows cowardice, something that makes me nauseated with disgust. If you're man enough to make such a spectacular claim in a private message, and stand up on your stool long enough to slap the forum owner, M1911 devotee, father and husband, hard working individual who put all of that aside to bring us an M1911.org, and then pay out of his own pockets the cost to support and maintain it for the benefit of everyone BUT himself AND his family, then I'd hope you could ever so sheepishly lift your pinky in the air and say hello in the face of your forum family.

My personal feelings, G-rated of course.

-Nikolai

[John]

:eek: why dont you kick the guy off the forum that accused you, I wouldnt let a dude stay at my bbq if he accused me of peeing in the pool
Absolutely not. It's his opinion and even though it hurt my feelings, I'll defend his right to his opinion, as long as I live. He did nothing wrong in this forum to deserve a banning, so he is still here with us and will remain here, as long as he behaves according to the rules.

Rgds

[bearandoldman]

Thanks for the poll
Hey Hotgun, your quote on the signature line makes a lot of sense, last road trip i tool the cars thqt passed ne had thier angels at leas 20 kolos behind them/

[Jim V]

Colts
Remington-UMC
Remington-Rand
Ithica
Norway 1914
Norinco
Argentine
P/O

[mr Hotgun]

Hey Hotgun, your quote on the signature line makes a lot of sense
Hello Bearandoldman
I had that signature on my Renault forum ,and about two weeks ago i translated it and put it in my profile I find it an nice and useful signature

Only 2 Olympic arms in the Poll??(and i have 1 of them !!)

[bearandoldman]

Hello Bearandoldman
I had that signature on my Renault forum ,and about two weeks ago i translated it and put it in my profile I find it an nice and useful signature

Only 2 Olympic arms in the Poll??(and i have 1 of them !!)
And truthful too, wonder how them angels do in the left hand lane on the autobahn?

[Bud White]

John Can you add a Rock island choice on mine for me bought one today

[hipshot percussion]

only problem, the percentages add up to alot more than 100%, ignore the jerk and lets get on with more 1911 stuff.

like.....like....pant pant, pant, amt hardballer longslide, 10 mm bostar barrel, paraord frame and ambidexterous safety and slide release, with wide beaver tail grip saftey. and if the govt is reading this for info. let them worry for a change.

[John]

John Can you add a Rock island choice on mine for me bought one today
It's there already, Charles Daly, etc.

Rgds

[John]

only problem, the percentages add up to alot more than 100%, ignore the jerk and lets get on with more 1911 stuff.

like.....like....pant pant, pant, amt hardballer longslide, 10 mm bostar barrel, paraord frame and ambidexterous safety and slide release, with wide beaver tail grip saftey. and if the govt is reading this for info. let them worry for a change.
Well, this is not my fault, it is the forums software that calculates these, I'll come up with the proper percentages, when enough votes are collected. Remember thought that every one can select more than one maker, so I guess the software gets confused.

Rgds

[swampertwo]

Hello Bearandoldman
I had that signature on my Renault forum ,and about two weeks ago i translated it and put it in my profile I find it an nice and useful signature

Only 2 Olympic arms in the Poll??(and i have 1 of them !!)

And I have the Richard Niemer Custom Enforcer :D :D

[Bear]

ALRIGHT JOHN!!!!!!!!!!
That's the spirit. If this guy doesn't like the fact that we are proud of our arms then he's sadly mistaken. As for me I was proud to vote Kimber and Llama. I'm proud to see that you made pretty good lemonade out of this guys lemons. As for the guy. We are good people one and all. Responsible citizens who own firearms. Deal with it. Ha.

To quote Ron White: If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Then find someone who's life has given them Vodka and have a party.

Enjoy safe shooting!

Bear

[Nikolai]

Greetings,
The poll will never add to 100%, and it's being added correctly (I just checked it). It'll never equal 100% because people can make check off more than one manufacturer. That said, Mr. Right still hasn't voted, maybe he left? :)

-Nikolai

[Bud White]

It's there already, Charles Daly, etc.

Rgds


Sorry what i meant was i need one of them added to my voting as ihad voted earlier in the week and bought a RIA on sunday and need it added to my vote

[mr Hotgun]

And I have the Richard Niemer Custom Enforcer by Swampertwo

one and one make,s the 2 safari (olympic arms ) owners
i have the 6" matchmaster :)

[AGB]

by Swampertwo

one and one make,s the 2 safari (olympic arms ) owners
i have the 6" matchmaster :)
John,

Please, add Imbel to the list. Guess I'm not the only one here with one.
By the way, I do not trust or see You as an anti gun guy.

[Nikolai]

Greetings,
Perhaps for now, Imbel votes can be placed in the "Springfield" section of the poll.

Glad to see more participation here!

-Nikolai

[John]

Guys,

Altering the poll now, is kind of difficult. I would suggest that Imbel be added to the Others (or as Nikolai said to the Springfields).

As for that RIA someone wanted added, I just did so,

Rgds

[Tom]

Or should I not be surprised that Springfield (and Imbel if you wish) is leading the pack, followed closely by Colt and Kimber?


Tom

[Nikolai]

Greetings,
I wouldn't be too surprised. Springfields are a great mix of performance and value, both high selling points. Colt is the "original," and Kimber has revolutionized the 1911 market. I'd pick those as the top three, any day!

-Nikolai

[AGB]

Greetings,
I wouldn't be too surprised. Springfields are a great mix of performance and value, both high selling points. Colt is the "original," and Kimber has revolutionized the 1911 market. I'd pick those as the top three, any day!

-Nikolai
Nikolai,

Since I started to browse this and some other gun foruns, I learned that brazilian made guns do not have a real bad reputation around. Since here we do not use to grab ourselves about our stuff, it is a welcome surprise. Somethings springfield sells is done here, so I'm even more surprised. It may not belong to this tread, but would You please enlist some features about the Kimber guns that may explain or justify your upper comment? I never came across one, so would like to hear some.

[Clyde]

9mm (Wilson)
38 Super (Colt, Kimber, Wilson)
40 S&W (STI)
10mm (Colt)
45ACP (Colt, Wilson)



:cool:

[twitch]

My first 1911 was my Springfield, and when I bought it I knew it was a good company, but i didn't realize how many people according to this poll have them, makes me glad I went with the SA over other manufacturers to know that its this popular.

[JohnV]

John,

I have been a hunter and shooter for over 40 years. The change in attitudes and the laws have been appalling. There is no going back to how it was...

I see your site as a place to share ideas about a sport that I love. I feel connected to those who ask questions in the forum to help me better understand the details of my favorite pistol, 1911. I applaud you for your interest and courage to speak to all that love this sport.

As in most organizations, some folks diverge. There are those that speak out so loudly, everything is confused in an attempt to react to them. I ask that you keep up the great effort. The freedom on the web to read about my interests is most important to me.

JV.

[John]

John,

I have been a hunter and shooter for over 40 years. The change in attitudes and the laws have been appalling. There is no going back to how it was...

I see your site as a place to share ideas about a sport that I love. I feel connected to those who ask questions in the forum to help me better understand the details of my favorite pistol, 1911. I applaud you for your interest and courage to speak to all that love this sport.

As in most organizations, some folks diverge. There are those that speak out so loudly, everything is confused in an attempt to react to them. I ask that you keep up the great effort. The freedom on the web to read about my interests is most important to me.

JV.
JohnV,

I took the liberty of unerasing your post, since it was properly posted. I assume you read my first post, decided to answer, and your answer was posted last, as it always happen. I unerased it, because I think it expresses quite nicely the attitude we should all have here.

If you disagree, please let me know, and I'll erase it again, as well as this answer.

Rgds

[JohnV]

Thanks John. I am not the best at the message boards. I really appreciate your site. JV.

[Paulo]

Just wanted to add a big thank you for hosting such a great site!!!! Was given a Colt Gold Cup as a present and became a instant addict to the 1911. Bought a brand new Springfield recently and my choice was made between the SA or Colt, made the choice in large part based on the great wealth of info i've found on this terrific site!! Keep up the great work and in my opinion that person has recieved way more attention than they deserve! They should at the least apologize for the personal attack, everyone is allowed their opinion but there is no excuse to make it personal. Thanks again for all your efforts John and keep your chin up!

Colt 70 series
Springfield Trophy Match
Magnum Research Baby Eagle 9mm
High standard 22
and hopefully more to join!!!

[Labuyo]

Whooaa! Colt and Springfield tops the chart! :D

[MontanaMike]

John,

Just want to add my support with the rest of the members. I have been a hunter and (long ago) a competative shooter, but this forum provides answers to questions I never even thought about. I really appreciate what you are doing here.

MM

[Nikolai]

Nikolai,

Since I started to browse this and some other gun foruns, I learned that brazilian made guns do not have a real bad reputation around. Since here we do not use to grab ourselves about our stuff, it is a welcome surprise. Somethings springfield sells is done here, so I'm even more surprised. It may not belong to this tread, but would You please enlist some features about the Kimber guns that may explain or justify your upper comment? I never came across one, so would like to hear some.

Greetings,
Springfields are great guns, no doubt about it. The biggest stigma about them is that they ARE made in Brazil, and that is compounded by the shock factor of the majority of new buyers who don't find that out until their pistol is purchased, and being oggled over at his/her home. Xenophobic! Americans think "Made in Brazil" or "Made in XXXXX" and think cheap, shoddy, what have you. This is what we're accustomed to, sadly. Not necessarily from Brazil, but when half our stuff is made in Taiwan, China, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, India, etc,. and it breaks with the pressure of a breath, foreign products lose their luster, quickly.

As to Kimber, Kimber has a huge fund for advertising in their budget, perhaps the largest in the 1911 market. They also sell approx. 55,000 1911s annually, which is amazing in itself, especially for such a new company. Their guns are quality, and generally well made. They're accurate, reliable, but not cheap, or affordable for many. They use modern technology, most of the time a benefit, but at times, it's problematic. Their pistols are a decent medium between low end Springfields, RIAs, and higher end Wilson Combat, Les Baer, and similar pistols. As their advertising states, their 1911s are loaded with options that professional shooters desire most. Faulty processes and a quality control problem have put a SMALL damper on their market share, but it's quickly on the rise with new addiitions, and good customer service reports. Their website is www.kimberamerica.com.

-Nikolai

[Tom]

I concur with Nikolai. I firmly believe in "Made in U.S.A." and whenever possible, buy products made here in the U.S. For example cars: I don't generally look at Japanese models but stay with the "American" brands. But look at the "Big Three". One is co-owned by a German automaker and is sharing power plants and frames, so that blurs the lines somewhat. And personally, I own one of the last, big, V8, rear-wheel drive behemoths left in the world - and mine was assembled in Canada, though with (mostly) American parts.

But the truth is, we do live in the "Global Economy". Many things we buy from American companies are made - partially or completely - outside the country. And many foreign-made goods are made from raw materials that, strange as it sounds, produced here in the U.S. Until Japan's steel production came online, most Japanese cars were built from raw American steel. Those same cars were then loaded back onto ships and sent to the same ports that exported the steel in the first place. And if my memory serves, U.S. automakers are now buying some of their steel from Japan now!

I guess if you didn't realize that Springfields were made in Brazil and that's important to you, I can see how that could be upsettings - or at least surprising. I knew that when I got into the market for my 1911. Now if there was a comparable 1911 made in the U.S. for the same price, I probably would have gone with the U.S. maker. But with the limitations and expectations I had, Springfield - for me - was the obvious choice, and I don't regret it one bit.


Tom

[John]

Re. positioning of Kimber vs Sprinfield, when I am in the mood, I might start a new thread, comparing the top of the line Loaded Springers with the Kimbers. Somehow, I have the impression that Springfield gives the average Joe (or John, if you like), the same features, for less money, however, living here does not allow me to make price comparisons.

Rgds

[AGB]

Nikolai,

Thanks. Quite interesting answer!

Islandersfan,

As for cars/carmakers, I have among other american made/projected cars a V10 Ram. Surprisingly enough, the engine block was cast here in Brazil, in Minas Gerais state, the same state where is located the Imbel factory. Do we have a pattern here??
Anyway, big engine and rwd forever. Ah, I was forgetting one, I read about a guy named Joe Morgan, that used to race (in U.S., of course) a Ford Pinto into some imports only category, the engine block of the 2.3L ohc engine was cast here also and was used on some Mustang/T-Birb turbo 4 engines. The guy was giving the rice burners a good heat on their races.

[Paulo]

We talking cars now? Chevy V8 all the way!!! Z28 Camaro, Blazer, and 2 full size trucks. As far as guns go, it can be built in Timbuctoo for all I care as long as the quality is great along with function and reliability. Costomer support is important also!!

[AGB]

Paulo,

I'm a half Chevy/half Mopar guy. Love them both. Been installing sbc engines in small brazilian built Opel Rekord for sometime. It helps paying the gun expenses. Have a bunch of cool toys, if You care to see them, check out at http://www.bigblockdart.com/cgi-bigblockdart/gallery/album.pl?album=Alexandre_Garcia.
Bith the Camaro and the Chevelle are rat infested. Guns, cars, dogs and a family. What else can I ask for??Much more fun than I could ever desire, deserve or afford! Life is good!

[Tom]

Nikolai,

Thanks. Quite interesting answer!

Islandersfan,

As for cars/carmakers, I have among other american made/projected cars a V10 Ram. Surprisingly enough, the engine block was cast here in Brazil, in Minas Gerais state, the same state where is located the Imbel factory. Do we have a pattern here??
Anyway, big engine and rwd forever. Ah, I was forgetting one, I read about a guy named Joe Morgan, that used to race (in U.S., of course) a Ford Pinto into some imports only category, the engine block of the 2.3L ohc engine was cast here also and was used on some Mustang/T-Birb turbo 4 engines. The guy was giving the rice burners a good heat on their races.


You make a good point, but I'd leave out the part about those Ford 2.3L turbo engines. That was a very bad idea that fortunately didn't last long.


Tom

[AGB]

Tom,

Ford engines are not a good idea. ;-))))

[Nikolai]

Greetings,
Glad it was understood. John, that's an interesting idea. A thread (Springfield vs Kimber) already exists, but isn't directed at specific models. Without glancing at the existing thread, I'd think as long as it would remain civil and was looked at subjectively, it'd be worth it. Not sure how that'd work out, or for how long, though.

Let's not get too off topic, guys.

-Nikolai

[a1-equipment]

Keep up the good work

[thirteen]

since I picked up two more today, here is my list:

Kimber Custom TLE II
Kimber Pro Tactical II
Kimber BP10 II
Kimber Ultra Shadow II
Kimber Ultra II
Springfield Custom Loaded park
Springfield MC Operator
Springfield CL micro OD green
Springfield CL micro two tone
Colt Series 70 Commander high gloss
Colt Series 80 Commander two tone
Les Baer SRP original high cap

[Galileo]

It's a good poll - and so is this site - thank you!

I'd like to see another poll - not only what you have (like this poll), but what have you had? It might show trends of which manufacturers have repeat customers.

Currently I have a Kimber. But I have had two other previous Kimbers and also a Rock River Arms. This info is not addressed by the current poll but might be of interest.


best,
Galileo

[charliecrusader]

Thank you John. This site is a real joy and tool for all of us who love the venerable old 1911. And about the other, some people seem to live to say dumb things.

[John]

since I picked up two more today, here is my list:

Kimber Custom TLE II
Kimber Pro Tactical II
Kimber BP10 II
Kimber Ultra Shadow II
Kimber Ultra II
Springfield Custom Loaded park
Springfield MC Operator
Springfield CL micro OD green
Springfield CL micro two tone
Colt Series 70 Commander high gloss
Colt Series 80 Commander two tone
Les Baer SRP original high cap
I assume you are trying to make me feel jealous, right?

Well, you definitely succeeded.

LoL

[Galileo]

Thirteen has 12? :confused:

. . . I think Thirteen's a dealer in disguise :rolleyes:

[Sabre]

It's really surprising to me that Colt has as many votes as it does. It just didn't seem like there were that many Colts out there

[Nikolai]

Greetings,
It's a little surprising. Nice to see Springfield just a few votes short of #1.

-Nikolai

[thirteen]

No, I am not a dealer, and John, if you ever make your way to the southwestern US I'd be happy to let you shoot them (and clean them) :D .I only have about 6 or 7 on my list of ones I want, but I have two kids and a baby on the way, I think when the baby gets here I will have to slow down a little. For the die hard 1911 or nothing guys, I have two 9mms, but my 12 year old daughter that weighs 75 pounds prefers the full size 1911!!

[thirteen]

oh yeah, I forgot to tell you, my 30 year or Colt Commander with crappy sights shoots best out of all of them, I guess whoever said the series 70 was the best 1911 ever wasn't joking!

[John]

No, I am not a dealer, and John, if you ever make your way to the southwestern US I'd be happy to let you shoot them (and clean them) :D .I only have about 6 or 7 on my list of ones I want, but I have two kids and a baby on the way, I think when the baby gets here I will have to slow down a little. For the die hard 1911 or nothing guys, I have two 9mms, but my 12 year old daughter that weighs 75 pounds prefers the full size 1911!!
I thank you Sir. And I think you should slow down when the baby gets here, so act fast now!!!

LoL

[thirteen]

I'm trying, I bought 4 in the past 3 weeks, I cant wait for my wife to notice. Of course she thinks all my 1911s look the same, so maybe she wont!

[pete1953]

John, when I read your quote "I live in a country where guns are taboo, where police considers you an outlaw, just because you ask for a permit to lawfully own a gun, where the state does everything they can to prevent people from starting in this sport, where those of us who are fortunate enough to have such a license, are forced to pay huge prices for guns and even higher for ammo." I thought you were talking about New Jersey, USA. America starts across the Delaware River in Pennsylvania, because there are no gun rights in New Jersey!

BTW, thanks for moderating this site!
Pete

[Tenring]

Great site. I'm somewhat new to forums and really enjoy this one. Lots of activity and information.
I would also like to apologize for the behavior of my countryman who completely overreacted. Unfortunately he was exercising one of the rights we "enjoy" in this country. Too many nuts at both ends of the spectrum on the gun issue make things rough for the majority of us who have and use some common sense. :p
Anyone wants to know what pistols I own only needs to ask as I have nothig to hide.
I was also wondering if any interset has been expressed in a category for conversions on a 1911 frame. I have a Marvell mounted on a home-built Caspian frame. Just curious, no big deal.
Once again, thanks for a great site and also for showing what a class act you must be by not going off half-cocked like the guy who chewed you out. Great restraint. ;)
Regards, Doug :)

[jw45]

Hello John! Great forum! For my first post I just want to say that the world is full of morons, and its no surprise that some of them found their way here. Dont ever let them get you down. I own a Colt, but I am a 1911aholic and would love to own one or two of the customs some day. Thanks John...

[Tom]

I thank you Sir. And I think you should slow down when the baby gets here, so act fast now!!!

LoL

Now John, are you telling Thirteen here to slow down with the kids - or the guns? :)

Thirteen, congrats in advance for the coming addition.


Tom

[thirteen]

Tom, thank you very much, I have only two more months.. dont worry, we werent having them all at once, they are 12, 5, and -2months. After this one I think someone is getting fixed! I'm getting too tired!

[John]

I would never be the one to slow down someone who is on the right track. Buying 1911s is definitely suggested for a man's mental health. Having kids (especially two at a time, like I did) is DEFINITELY NOT SUGGESTED.

LoL

May the new arrival be healthy and strong. If it is a girl, my two sons need brides, although I think GotTriplets has the priority!

[Tom]

If it is a girl, my two sons need brides

How old are your twins? I've got a 9-year-old girl. She likes guns and knows how to change the oil in a car. :)

A whole new twist to "International Relations". LOL



Tom

[thirteen]

my 12 year old is a girl and she goes shooting with me, 5 year old is a boy- not yet ready for shooting yet, and the new one coming is a girl. I think my 12 year old is Annie Oakley reencarnated!

[John]

How old are your twins? I've got a 9-year-old girl. She likes guns and knows how to change the oil in a car. :)

A whole new twist to "International Relations". LOL



Tom
Tom, sorry they are only three. But of course, these days, a girl can be a few years older than the man. And if she knows how to change oil, man I admire you for your parental guidance! That's the kind of girls I like (only I've never found one)!

[Tom]

Tom, sorry they are only three. But of course, these days, a girl can be a few years older than the man. And if she knows how to change oil, man I admire you for your parental guidance! That's the kind of girls I like (only I've never found one)!

I don't expect to make my daughter a wrench-head. I don't want her to be like your typical woman who walks into the garage and says "My car is not working. Can you fix it?". We had an incident in Tampa about a year ago where a woman went into one of these "quick" oil change places - and left with a $400+ bill for crap she didn't need!

I want her to know enough about cars so that when something does go wrong, she can tell the mechanic "This is broke and needs to be replaced." and not get suckered into hundreds of dollars of additional - and unnecessary - repairs.

And if she can save a few bucks by doing her own oil or brake pads, so much the better! :D

So John, what about hooking my daughter up with Sergios? :D


Tom

[John]

I don't expect to make my daughter a wrench-head. I don't want her to be like your typical woman who walks into the garage and says "My car is not working. Can you fix it?". We had an incident in Tampa about a year ago where a woman went into one of these "quick" oil change places - and left with a $400+ bill for crap she didn't need!

I want her to know enough about cars so that when something does go wrong, she can tell the mechanic "This is broke and needs to be replaced." and not get suckered into hundreds of dollars of additional - and unnecessary - repairs.

And if she can save a few bucks by doing her own oil or brake pads, so much the better! :D

So John, what about hooking my daughter up with Sergios? :D


Tom
That, I wouldn't advise! I think Dimitris is more suitable for her.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/sv1cec/Pict0741.jpg

Or, if you want to have company while shooting, Alexander is your man.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/sv1cec/alex1911.jpg

Rgds

[fatrichie]

Thanks John, it is interesting to view this poll.

And on the subject of this site collecting information;

A couple of years ago I was fortunate enough to have a neighbor who was an FBI agent. He was also a gunsmith and avid shooter, I might add. One day he took me with him on his daily route, from the office to surveillance, the full meal deal. In the office he showed me the infamous 'FBI Computer'. And believe it didn't look impressive, and he didn't show me it's complete capability, but let me tell you. If you are old enough to speak, it already knows more about you than you do!

So if someones worried about you collecting information on this site, he should be well assured, our Uncle Sam has already the situation WELL in hand. In my opinion, they don't necessarily care how many guns you have, it's what your habits may show you are capable of using them for.

The best thing a person can do is just quit stressing about it and enjoy this awesome sport.

[walangkatapat]

I have my Custom built Caspian .45 and my Springfield Loaded Operator.

[Kilroy6644]

I have a NRM Colt 1991AI and a SA GI 45.

[wetidlerjr]

The fact that I am a gun owner who runs a guns site is not so important. The person who accused me, lives in US, a place where acquiring a gun is -almost- as easy as bying a pair of jeans. And where you pay less money for a box of ammo than a pack of cigarettes (almost).

I live in a country where guns are taboo, where police considers you an outlaw, just because you ask for a permit to lawfully own a gun, where the state does everything they can to prevent people from starting in this sport, where those of us who are fortunate enough to have such a license, are forced to pay huge prices for guns and even higher for ammo.

And this person, had the guts to accuse me of collecting "statistics and data bases are one in the same and I will not assist in your design (he means desire, I assume) to count firearms in households".

As if I had made it mandatory to answer this question, if you wanted to become a member. As if I put a gun on his head to fill in the information.

That was too much! I know that some people seldom use what we all have between our ears, but this one really made me furious. Really hurt my feelings. After all those hours I've spend maintaining M1911.ORG, for people to come and get free information, free advise, free quality time.

Sorry gentlemen, your support, as expressed here, and in the other thread, really helped lift my spirits.

Kind regards


You do well. Some people are, simply, stupid. Please ignore them and continue your good work. :D

[medic15al]

I carry my 1976 era Colt Commander (LW) due to the weight and it's a favorite! I also alternate with my SS Mil-Spec that was lightly customized for me with a MGW original Ring hammer, Colt-style beavertail, Black T slide for a Two-tone look and slim cocobolo grips.

[Mitrod3]

started out with a used Kimber TLE II five months ago. now have a S&W basic stainless, and two Springfield Armory 1911 A1 loaded 9mm's. all function flawlessly and shoot like a dream. one of the Springer's did need some warranty work (slide to frame fit too tight) but S A took good care of me and work was excellant on the gun.

be safe, shoot well. :cool:

[gsis shooter]

keep up the good work john, dont be bothered by comments like that. Definitely your not anti-gun. ;)

-------
PT92 AFS 9MM
SAM Falcon .45acp hi-cap
AR-15 commando type 5.56mm
STI .40 S&W
Armscor Shotgun 12 gauge
G30 .45ACP

[Sabre]

I see our mystery "anti-pollster" has voted, too...

[RikWriter]

I HAVE OWNED through the years well over two dozen 1911s, including half a dozen Kimbers, ten Colts, two Para Ordnance P12s and at least four Springfield Armory pistols.
At this moment, because of the vagaries of house-buying, kid-bearing etc...I have only a Kimber Classic Stainless II.

[right hand]

first, would like to thank john for the forum. really.
second, about the poll, i carry a usgi 1911A1. would i check 'others'? i wish there was a 'usgi' option.

[John]

Yes please check "Others", unfortunatelly we all have to live with my brain-cells inefficiency!

Rgds

[robertbank]

John if we all had the same opinon on a subject there would be ONE happy woman in this world and a whole lot of unhappy ones! Just do what you do, seems to me those of us who are members appreciate your work. We both live in countries where the Liberals would love to see our firearms taken away. Here in Canada it is becoming a PITA frankly as our government continues to pass their social engineering legislation. Never-the-less your forum is a great place to learn and live with our 1911's keep up the good work.

[White]

2 Colt 38 Supers(blues)
2 Colt 45 National Match Series 70(blues)
2 Colt 1991 NRM 45(blues)
2 Springfield 38 Super(Parkerize, Nickel)

There's been only one 1911 that I bought that I have not kept. It was a Rock Island Armory 38 Super. The gun was such a pain. I had so many malfunctions, I don't even want to remeber. For the exception of that one bad apple, my 1911's have never let me down.

[blain6]

like the poll cant wait to see springfield vs kimber

[theArmedRebel]

I have three, a WWII GI Springfield, a Mil-Spec Springfield worked over by the Springfield Custom Shop, and a Smith & Wesson SW 1911. I just bought a Colt Detective Special. I hadn't been looking for one, a woman in my class asked me if I wanted it and the price was right, so....

You guys know what I'm talking about, but how do we convince our wives?

Robert

[larry starling]

OK i voted :D

[Kevinch]

Hi folks - 1st post here, glad to be aboard!

So - is anyone surprised about the results of the poll so far, or are they pretty much as you predicted? (If you did, that is!)

[PZ93C]

Colts.

Brian

[Sabre]

Not as I predicted. I thought Kimber and Springfield would have high numbers, but I didn't think that Colt's would be as high as they are.

[Dwolf00]

I have a S&W, a Kimber and a Springfield. I have many Colts. IMNSHO Colts are still tops. And I'm not surprised that Colts lead the poll, they are after all the original.

[GCT00427]

John,

Someone needs to loosen up their shorts a bit. Nothing wrong with seeing which brand of 1911 is the most popular. Thank you for your time and effort in operating this forum.


With kind regards,

Chuck

[billsr]

I think you should have a category for U.S. Gov't Issued pistols also.

[dlctech]

Thanks for the poll and the forum. I enjoy reading all of the forums, commentaries, etc.
and am thankful we still have the freedom to own firearms and what little freedom of speech we have left. I do feel that they are both eroding quickly.

[b1bendt]

Just purchased my first 1911. A Kimber Tactical Custom II. Haven't had it out yet but I'm excited about it. :D :D

John thanks for the great site and keep up the good work.

Bob

[Sabre]

I think you should have a category for U.S. Gov't Issued pistols also.

Perhaps this is a good idea, but I dunno if it can be added now. I think that a distiction should be made between new-production Colt's pistols and "US GOVERNMENT PROPERTY" pistols. After all, Colt's has a pretty good head-start on most everybody else :D

[John]

Yes, I should have, but since I didn't, adding it now would be counter-productive. People have already voted, so it's pointless. Please use Others, for USGI pistols.

Sorry folks, even the best intentions are not always enough. :-)

[Tom]

Sorry folks, even the best intentions are not always enough. :-)

And you know that's what the Road to Hell is paved with. :)


Tom

[thirteen]

Just added a Springfield longslide V16 to my long list, say... does a Marlin Camp 45 count? :p

[shep854]

I voted earlier, but didn't post a comment. Anyway, I have a Colt Ser 80 SS Commander (my first handgun), and an Auto-Ordnance GI.

Is there any significance to "Auto-Ordnance" being in italics?

[Sabre]

I voted earlier, but didn't post a comment. Anyway, I have a Colt Ser 80 SS Commander (my first handgun), and an Auto-Ordnance GI.

Is there any significance to "Auto-Ordnance" being in italics?

The system puts the things you voted for in italics so you can remember what you voted for when you look at the poll later.

[shep854]

Ah-HA! The threshold of ignorance has been pushed back another step!

Thanks, Sabre.

[papashah41]

The system puts the things you voted for in italics so you can remember what you voted for when you look at the poll later.

I thought the italics were there to show which selection is the best! :p


..............doesn't everyone see "Colt" in italics??? ;) :D :cool:

[texasbatman]

Tom, thank you very much, I have only two more months.. dont worry, we werent having them all at once, they are 12, 5, and -2months. After this one I think someone is getting fixed! I'm getting too tired!

Let us know how your wife does with the surgery. :) Congrats in advance.

Jim

[John]

Let us know how your wife does with the surgery. :) Congrats in advance.

Jim
I really laughed my heart out! Nice touch!!!!

[2400]

I liked the poll, but wish you had a provision for more than one gun from a manufacturer. I have mulitple guns from several manufacturers.

[John]

I liked the poll, but wish you had a provision for more than one gun from a manufacturer. I have mulitple guns from several manufacturers.
If I had asked the number of guns you have, that someone would have probably accused me of being Ted Kennedy and Sarah whatever-her-name is, in the same time.

[bill may]

John: Got in on this on a little late, so forgive me. An odd coincidence that I just got through minutes ago posting a reply in which I raved about the quality of this site. All I can say is your time and efforts are muchly appreciated. You have helped me tremendously, and without your work on this site, I may still be wondering about some issues and questions with which this site has helped. I for one and a big John fan. Keep up the good work. We need you!

[Sabre]

And Colt's PT. F. A. Mfg. Co., from Harford, Conn., USA., is first to break the 200 mark...:D

[thirteen]

texasbatman, thank you very much and I will let you know how she does! :cool:

[intercede007]

That was too much! I know that some people seldom use what we all have between our ears, but this one really made me furious. Really hurt my feelings. After all those hours I've spend maintaining M1911.ORG, for people to come and get free information, free advise, free quality time.

Sorry gentlemen, your support, as expressed here, and in the other thread, really helped lift my spirits.

Kind regards

Thanks for this incredible website!!!!!!

In a matter of hours after recieving a very old weapon from a family member, I was able to use this forum to ask for help determining it's age and how to care for it, and got all the information I could have ever wanted and MORE!

I know my family heirloom was produced on February 26th, 1918. I now know that the guns history corroborates the story my grandmother tells (and vice versa). As an American History major, this site has been an absolute blast to read and soak up!

Again, thank you so much for an incredible resource!!
Jon

[cloc10]

Colt does it again!!!!!!!!!!!

[NHBandit69]

Thank you so much for this site. Without it, I would have had a much harder time becoming informed about the work I need done on my pistol, and wouldn't have been able to specify exactly for the gunsmith what parts I wanted installed. I would also think I'm nuts for looking at additional 1911's after purchasing the first one; now I know I'm among fellow addicts!

[John]

Gentlefolks,

to all those who expressed their feelings here, a sincere "thank you" is in order.

I guess that as we are now approaching the 500 voters mark, it is safe to say, that a pattern is becoming evident. I'll try to express the above numbers in words, but obviously, you may jump in and add your opinion.

First of all, let's clarify one thing. The poll asked you to vote the maker of the pistols you have. If someone voted for manufacturer ABC, that does not mean that the voter has only one ABC pistol. He may very well have more than one. So we have no way to tell who is the "numbers" winner, we can just say that manufacturer ABC is the prefered manufacturer between our members, since most of our members have at least one pistol from that manufacturer.

With that put behind us, Colt is emerging as the unconditional leader in your votes. That means that more among us have Colts than any other brand. Since we do not know how many Colts each voter has, the margin of Colt's win can be much larger (or smaller) than what appears here. This is to be expected, given the years Colt is been selling us these lovely 1911s.

Second strong runner-up, Springfield. My assumption for SA second position, is that this company has grabbed the heartbit of the shooting public. They offer us budget-priced, no-frills models, like the GI or the Mil-Spec, but in the same time, they offer us their Loaded models, with most of the options a seasoned shooter would like to have in his 1911.

Third manufacturer, in your preferences, Kimber, the company that started up the "tight tolerances as per custom guns, but all machine production 1911" trend. Almost one in every four votes goes to Kimber, while the two first manufacturers share 3 out of every 4 votes.

More or less, this is what I was expecting to see when this poll was started.

Para Ordnance and Smith & Wesson fight hard for the fourth place. I guess that one can say that S&W is the winner in this battle, since they have been in the 1911 world for much less time than the Canadian firm. Para Ordnance however, was until very recently a double -column magazine pistol maker, so somehow I have the feeling that the numbers here are not comparable. Somehow I believe that most of the P.O. voters in this poll have the hi-cap models of the firm, so not a direct comparison can be drawn.

On the other hand, with STI, P.O. and Bull being at the numbers shown, we have to assume that most 1911 lovers do not prefer hi-capacity designs. Single-stack rules!

Some other things one can notice in the table above.

- From the "custom makers" Les Baer and Wilson Combat share (more or less) the first position, with Ed Brown getting the third place.

- Auto Ordnance, a manufacturer of no-frills 1911s of questionable quality (as some think), is having exactly the same votes as Sigarms, a top-of-the-price-range maker. Interesting indeed.

- Norinco has by itself almost as much votes as Charles Daly/Armscor/Rock Island/SAM all together. I wonder what position they would be in, if their import in US hasn't been stopped some years ago.

Unfortunatelly, this poll cannot show us some other trends. For example:

- Are members from a particular country (like Canada or Phillipines) favoring their country's weapons (P.O. or Charles Daly/Armscor/Rock Island/SAM)?

- What manufacturer's pistols one used to have, but no longer has? In other words, which were the guns you got rid of?

Enough statistics though.

This poll will stay open, let's see if these conclusions will change, when we'll approach the 1,000 voters mark.

Rgds

[robertbank]

A fairly tight analysis. Your conclusions about Canadians buying Para is interesting. As a Canadian here is my breakdown in terms of numbers:
Para - 1 Canada
STI - 1 U.S.A.
Norinco - 3 China

Next two 1911's, Norinco 9MM and a Dlask .45acp

All are single stacks.

May have to ask the boys on canadiangunutz.com to visit our site. Try to add to our small numbers.

[John]

Bob, I never said that Canadians are buying P.O., I said with the way this data was collected, we cannot tell if Canadians prefer P.O.. This particular statistic, was one of the reasons why I initially used the "What 1911s do you have" in the User CP. The user country is there already, so if I had the 1911s the user has as well, I could come up with statistics saying "From the 35 Canadians, 28 have P.O.s" or whatever. Since the poll here collected answers not related to your country, there is no way we can derive that information.

I hope this clarifies the issue.

Rgds

[PZ93C]

4 Colts. No others.

Let's push that margin a bit. ;)

Nice play by play, John. Lookin' foward to the 1000 vote mark.

Brian

[7790314]

no caspian, no CMC, need a category for Heinz 57 guns like Essex, Caspian, Federal Ordnance or Double Star frames etc... with GI and other parts conglomerations

[John]

You have that other category already, it's called "Other M-1911s".

Rgds

[1911Tuner]

Whew! Where do I start? There's 35 in all...including a pretty decent '42
Colt GI that I picked up Saturday afternoon. It's gonna need another barrel, though...Some gifted idiot throat jobbed it to the point that it would probably chamber a .45 (Long) Colt round. :rolleyes:

I gots me at least one example of all the WW2 contract guns except Singer... :( Including a practically new Rand and a nice Union Switch.

Gots me 7 beaters of various make, including a couple of Frankenguns that I
put together from parts all over Helen Gone.

There's an early 80s production Thompson Auto Ordnance that makes me wonder why they couldn't have built all of'em that way. Truly amazing gun that's never been reworked except for the small parts upgrade. Never burps and shoots into 4 inches at 50 yards from the bags.

A brace of carry pistols that get rotated periodically...including a LW Commander and a 1918 GI Colt that's been rebuilt twice since I got it back in the 80s. Before anybody goes into conniptions, it's neither original nor correct. There's a gaggle of USGI and aftermarket parts in the gun because I bought a frame, slide, recoil system and the grips. I shot that one 'til the slide busted and installed an Essex slide when I rebuilt it the second time. FYI, the slide was dead on spec, and only required light fitting and final lapping. Continued to shoot it until it started to loosen up, and reassigned it to carry status last fall.

Presently negotiating another Union Switch and a '16 Colt...I'll keep ya posted. :cool:

[John]

Presently negotiating another Union Switch and a '16 Colt...I'll keep ya posted. :cool:

Oh yes, please do, as if there wasn't already enough material to make me green with envy in this forum!!!

[shep854]

:p I'm still waiting for Tuner to quit piddling around & being a wannabe, and get serious about 1911s. :eek: :D

Talk, talk, talk and no action. It's getting tiresome. ;)

[1911Tuner]

:p I'm still waiting for Tuner to quit piddling around & being a wannabe, and get serious about 1911s. :eek: :D

Talk, talk, talk and no action. It's getting tiresome. ;)

I'm tryin'...I'm tryin'! Can't find a decent Singer... :p

[robertbank]

You got a North American Arms example? Just a test. I have a chance to pick up a well used Ithaca - gun seems to woek fine but is loose as a goose. Should be able to get it for about $500 Cdn. Are the WW11 era guns worth working on or is this a nostalga collector thing.

[1911Tuner]

You got a North American Arms example? Just a test. I have a chance to pick up a well used Ithaca - gun seems to woek fine but is loose as a goose. Should be able to get it for about $500 Cdn. Are the WW11 era guns worth working on or is this a nostalga collector thing.

Howdy Robert.

Don't have any NAA or Safari Arms pistols. The WW1 era guns are definitely worth the effort. The trick is finding a really nice one that's not worn out or
abused. I picked up a 1919 Colt just recently that's completely reliable and
is a total embarassment to my neighbor's tweaked Gold Cup. It'll feed Winchester Ranger Talon, old Black Talon, and Golden Saber as slick as
greased goose poop...from the original magazine...and the barrel throat is
untouched. The old ones shouldn't be pressed into hard-use service, though.
The slides are soft and prone to cracking if used a lot.

[sasquatch98226]

I think that a major maker is missing from the list. Granted Caspian is not a firearm manufacturer, but look at how many guns have been built with their frames and slides. I would like to see Caspian included in the poll list, as well as maybe even a forum board. :)

[John]

This subject has been brought up again. The forums list change as the requirements change. If I see too many posts for a particular maker, I add a new forum. Haven't seen too many posts in the "Other M-1911s" section for Caspians, so I do not see the need for a new forum.

As for the poll, Caspian is not the only one missing. This is what happens when you do things in anger. Sorry folks, next time, I'll wait for the cooling-off period.

Rgds

[BGregory]

Hi John,

As a sidebar to "What 1911s" you may want to add how many of each.

[John]

I could BGregory, but obviously you haven't read the first messages in this post. Initially, I asked members to enter in a field in UserCP what 1911s they have. The reason was that I wanted to come up with some statistics, like the one here, but more complete. Like for example, do people from Canada favor Canadian 1911s, etc. And then, here comes some member of this board, who accused me of being an antigunner and that I wanted to collect information about how many guns there are per household, or whatever.

Can you imagine what he would accuse me of, if I've asked you to enter how many of each???? He would think I am the impersonation of Sarah Brady.

LoL

[robertbank]

HI JOhn, yes it doesn't what your intentions were there will always be somebody who reads more into what you ou are doing then you intended. BGregory has a point in that to truely gauge the popularity of one make over another the inclusion of "How Many" "might" have provided a truer picture of the popularity of one make over another. The problem is you then open the door to posters saying they have 4 guns of one make when in fact they don't. In writing that it is also fair to say even a simple poll as the one you have provided still allows for abuse.

That said I would bet money that your stats likely are representative of the market share of the five most popular brands indicated in your poll. It would be interesting to hear fro George Wedge if PARa enjoys 10% market share by their estimates.

I found the poll interesting.

[BGregory]

Hi John,

Yes, I actually did read the first post. It was the reason why I decided to participate in the poll. Maybe you misunderstood my suggestion. I am not asking for Member "A" to say he has X number of pistols, but rather when taking the poll in the anonymous manner in which you have it set up, one could say I have 3 of those and 2 of these. It would give a better idea of what the "Really Popular" brands are out there.

BTW I own 2 Colts, 2 Kimbers, 3 Springfields, and 1 Para Ordnance.

Sarah who? ;)'

[Tom]

BTW I own 2 Colts, 2 Kimbers, 3 Springfields, and 1 Para Ordnance.



Forwarding this information to the proper government people. Thank you for your support.


LOL Just kidding. :D



Tom

[BGregory]

:eek: maybe I shouldn't mention the other handguns I own, then again they're not 1911s, so why bother...

Actually, I live in a state that uses NICS checks as a form of permanent handgun registration. They've been taken to court several times, but always manage to win. :(

Last time the shop phoned in for a check, it took about 20 minutes.

[KillitnGrillit]

I have a Colt 1991,and a Springfield Loaded, my favorite is the Colt.

[Tom]

I have a Colt 1991,and a Springfield Loaded, my favorite is the Colt.

We won't hold that against you. ;)

Just kidding.

[SAWBONES]

Springfield Armory circa '80s
Springfield Armory Milspec WWII
Caspian (being built, from scratch)
Les Baer Stinger
Colt Series 70 Gold Cup
Colt Gunsite CCO

[arty155mm]

Gold cup 70 series
Kimber Eclipse Target 2
Para Ord SSP

[legrena]

I am the impersonation of Sarah Brady.


That's not a pretty thing...





And, BTW - Xristos Anesti!

[RomeoTango]

And this person, had the guts to accuse me of collecting "statistics and data bases are one in the same and I will not assist in your design (he means desire, I assume) to count firearms in households".


I am appalled that you would collect such statistics.
Oh yeah, 11 handguns, six longguns and 2 "assault weapons".

[John]

That's not a pretty thing...





And, BTW - Xristos Anesti!
Alithos Anesti (that's Greek for most of you).

[1911Tuner]

John,

Nil desperandum, mea amicus...Suum cuique. Pace et concordia vobiscum.

That there's Latin... :cool:

[Mustang]

Anti-gun? Gun Forum Moderator? The dots don't connect. Someone needs to get a grip on reality. John, thanks for the poll, results will be interesting. Ron

[TommyC]

Can I refuse to answer on the grounds that my wife might read this? :)

[1911slabsides]

Shhhhh. this is classified from the anti gunners,
Add another NRM to my list.

[Tom]

Can I refuse to answer on the grounds that my wife might read this? :)

That didn't work for me. Not only did mine read it - she joined the site, too! :(

[John]

Not only that, she got herself a brand new 1911 too. And to Tom's sorrow, the 1911 replaced Tom on their bed (well, at least he had to move over a few inches, for the pistol to fit in between them).

LoL

[Tom]

Fortunately it's a compact 1911 - it doesn't take up much room. There's still a little left for me.

And the cat.

And the dog.

:(

[John]

Imagine if it was a long slide with a 6" version!!!

LoL

[Joni Lynn]

Gee Tom it's always good to know where you stand in the order of things......Carole, gun, cat, dog,........................and then ..............maybe you............hee hee heeee

[Tom]

Yeah...maybe. :(

[modelo]

kimber gold combat stainless

[EdWG]

Folks can take the paranoia a little too far..... and when they start sniping at the folks on their side... its really just gone way too far.

Here in Michigan, you'll see the same thing at gun shows.... one or two "tin foil hat" types raging against some poor seller for asking to see a drivers license in order to take a personal check for a purchase of ammo... :rolleyes:

I appreciate your site John... its obvious how much time, energy & money you put into thisplace.. and I appreciate it.

I am new here... but not new to guns... shooting... or gun forums. You run a class act here bud, so dont let the tinfoil hat guys get you down.

Next time.. tell him you already have his information, as you sent super brain reading radar beams at him thru his compuer screen... and sold the info to the ATF. :D

[horse 91-A1]

I think this is a great site and wish I had found it sooner. Just read the whole 18 page thread and a few comments. It's good to see a "lemon" situation turned to "lemonade" with humor. :)

And truthful too, wonder how them angels do in the left hand lane on the autobahn?

Those who live in Arizona soon learn that stop signs, red lights and speed limit signs are all optional. :) Who gets the angels first??? :confused:

Arriving on the thread late; has the -2 month old delivered yet? . . . and how was the surgery? :D

I belong to two Mopar forums; including the big block Dart forum already mentioned - also belong to shortmags.org.

Traded my M-66 for a Colt 1991 with added features and it's a shooter. There's always someone at the range who wants to see an old slabside in this day of double stacks and they all come away with a smile on their face when they shoot it - even gals with small hands. :)

Adios,
Bob

[bearandoldman]

Folks can take the paranoia a little too far..... and when they start sniping at the folks on their side... its really just gone way too far.

Here in Michigan, you'll see the same thing at gun shows.... one or two "tin foil hat" types raging against some poor seller for asking to see a drivers license in order to take a personal check for a purchase of ammo... :rolleyes:

I appreciate your site John... its obvious how much time, energy & money you put into thisplace.. and I appreciate it.

I am new here... but not new to guns... shooting... or gun forums. You run a class act here bud, so dont let the tinfoil hat guys get you down.

Next time.. tell him you already have his information, as you sent super brain reading radar beams at him thru his compuer screen... and sold the info to the ATF. :D

Where are you located in Michigan my friend, I am located in Saginaw. Shoot a lot at the new indoor range in Midland on Stark Road.

[EdWG]

Where are you located in Michigan my friend, I am located in Saginaw. Shoot a lot at the new indoor range in Midland on Stark Road.


Hey bud... I'm in Davison... not too far at all, just east of Flint of I-69 area. I normally shoot at Williams Gunsite.... and of course hit the gun show regularly at Birch Run.

Small world, eh? ;)

[bearandoldman]

Hey bud... I'm in Davison... not too far at all, just east of Flint of I-69 area. I normally shoot at Williams Gunsite.... and of course hit the gun show regularly at Birch Run.

Small world, eh? ;)

Don't really care to do the gun show thing. Thursday, Saturday and Sunday afternoon am usually shooting sporting clays at my club. Bear and I set the4 targets and pretty much maintain the sporting clays course atSGC (http://www.saginawgunclub.com) but on Wenesdays usually get a little range time in at this place (http://www.gunclubofmidland.com) . This Saturday or Sunday am going to the club in Durand to try my hand at IHMSA silhouettes.

[EdWG]

Wow... looks like you stay busy in the sport!! Sounds like you got a good buddy there as well... "Bear"..

Me? I dont get to shoot as often as I'd like... I work 7 days a week... about 12 hours a day... running my own small operation. But if you love your work.. its all good.

[bearandoldman]

Wow... looks like you stay busy in the sport!! Sounds like you got a good buddy there as well... "Bear"..

Me? I dont get to shoot as often as I'd like... I work 7 days a week... about 12 hours a day... running my own small operation. But if you love your work.. its all good.
My first locve in shooting is turning clay taargets to a puff of black or orange dust in the sky, after that comes action pistol games. I retired about 8 years ago and was 72 last December, Ma and I and Bear just trying to enjoy our Golden years.

[thirteen]

horse 91-A1, -2 months is now -1 to 2 weeks... anyday now, then she can go under the knife! thanks for the interest, I'll keep you posted

[EdWG]

I hear you Bearandoldman...

Sounds like you are enjoying those years.. power too you bud! I have a feeling that my wife will have me on a beach somewhere with a metal detector.. :D

I love to shotgun hunt for bird.. dove mostly, in East Texas where I'm originally from... and mainly punch holes in paper with the 1911's. ;)

[bearandoldman]

I hear you Bearandoldman...

Sounds like you are enjoying those years.. power too you bud! I have a feeling that my wife will have me on a beach somewhere with a metal detector.. :D

I love to shotgun hunt for bird.. dove mostly, in East Texas where I'm originally from... and mainly punch holes in paper with the 1911's. ;)

Got to have some fun while you are still here, that other thing si too permanent. Our middle daughter lives in Houston and has since she graduated college and teaches elementary school in Houston. Man that has got to be 20 years now. Would love to try that dove hunting, that has got to be fun. Gave up hunting and switched to clay targets because I love the shooting more than the hunting. Hunting just did not let you get enough shooting in a day. Small bag limits and the fact that I shot well ended a lot of hunt in the first hour or less. Remember pheasant hunt one time 2 birds in less that 5 minutes and the bag limit was reached and the hunt was over.

[EdWG]

You'd love a Texas Dove hunt then.... Larger bag limits... and competition amongst groups of shooters keep you out there all afternoon.

My father has a huge spread on the Katy prairie jsut west of Houston... and goose season is phenominal... you'd have to see it to believe it....

[McMike]

John, you're doing right, don't let any idiot tell you otherwise!

[Joni Lynn]

John.............ditto.........what he said in the previous post. You're doing a great thing here. Thanks.

[Tom]

John, you're doing right, don't let any idiot tell you otherwise!

John? Yeah, he's all right I guess.

;)

[Joni Lynn]

Tom..........looks like Carole and I will go to Greece without you.

[John]

John? Yeah, he's all right I guess.

;)
Then, how come you called me wierd, in another thread?

Right, Lynn and Carole are going to Greece and you are staying behind baby-sitting the cats, dogs and pistols (Carole's will be locked of course, so you can't play with it).

[Tom]

Because I never said that being weird wasn't all right. C'mon, coming from me, being weird is the only way to be all right in my book. :D

[John]

Got you! I can live with beign wierd!

LoL

[Joni Lynn]

Hmm...........I can't say I am weird.........but Tom doesn't hold a candle to me........in many ways. I excell in being..................well.................. uniquely..........and individually me!

[Tom]

Hmm...........I can't say I am weird...

I can! You're weird. ;)

[Joni Lynn]

No Tom.......I'm so much further along than weird that it just doesn't fit me. But thanks for trying. :)

[shep854]

Oh WOW! Is this thread drifting, or what? :D

[Joni Lynn]

Yes when Tom and John and I get started everything skews off. It keeps me from being too serious also.

[robertbank]

Very attractive I might add along with being on the other side of weird. Hey you said it and I don't even know you. ;)

[shep854]

It speaks well of John that he is letting this thread drift; after all we are having fun yet playing sweet.

[Joni Lynn]

Thank you Robert. John was kind enough to give me this avatar.

[Joni Lynn]

Oh.......did I forget? 1911's.........Series 80 Gold Cup, customized, Series 70 Gold Cup customized, 1962 and 1957 Gold Cups, 38MR Gold Cup, Mk3 38MR Gold Cup, Series 70 Gov't model (nickel), RRA Limited Match, Les Baer P2, Kimber Custom Eclipse target.

[John]

Folks, if you want to see wierd, go to the Test Forum and find a thread called "Test, pls ignore". Let's keep this one a bit ... sanitized, for those who want to report their guns.

And yes, as Lynn pointed out, any thread that includes posts from her, Tom and me, tends to be ... a little out of the ordinary.

Rgds

[1911slabsides]

John, if you could throw another Colt on for me. Got one on layaway. I have no spine when it comes to a pretty 1911.

[Joni Lynn]

No spine...........hmm...........if I could be like that would my severe back pain be lessened to any degree? I seriously understand the gun bug thingy. I have so much trouble passing up a nice 1911.

[juboyiun]

Here's a stat for ya, 21 pages 100% full of praise for John and his efforts :D vs ONE mad hatter. I'm new to 1911s and wouldn't have considered buying one without the help and info I got from this site. The people are intelligent, kind, and quick with answers I was unable to get elsewhere. Thanks all. I would love to join in that questionairre, but I've been waiting months for my limited ParaOrd to arrive and may be a few months wait yet :( . As for the Canuck tendencies for PO, I would have to say that was 1/3 my reason. 1/3 is the LDA, 1/3 other (quality gun, look awesome, feel good). I'll ring in with some pics when she arrives... and may the Liberals :mad: lose the upcoming election!
Thanks again John.

"Oh, how am I supposed to last five days without shooting something?" -Homer J Simpson :)

[robertbank]

Assume you are a Canuck - if so please register as such as we need more of our flags flying! Good Luck with the Para, I have the SSP and my son has my old P-14 Ltd. Both great guns, accurate and reliable. Amen to the Liberals and the next election. Just got to convince those in Ontario to vote Conservative, we may never get a better chance.

[1911slabsides]

Here's a stat for ya, 21 pages 100% full of praise for John and his efforts :D vs ONE mad hatter. I'm new to 1911s and wouldn't have considered buying one without the help and info I got from this site. The people are intelligent, kind, and quick with answers I was unable to get elsewhere. Thanks all.
Thanks again John.

"Oh, how am I supposed to last five days without shooting something?" -Homer J Simpson :)

Heck if someone had to be in charge of Gun Control I'd pick John in a New York Second. :D

[jwenum]

John,how can a '1911' site be anti-gun??Keep up the good work, an old Marine in the U.S.A. Jeff

[fwarren94551]

I voted. It's certainly interesting.

I didn't realize how MANY brands I had until I voted. Yet they are all 1911s.

Frank

PS And if they want to come get me, I'll just have to deal with it when it happens. I learned a long time ago that I can't control other people; I wish the liberals would learn that too. And one might note that the response of nazis, commies, socialists and so on to learning that lesson is to set up government death camps. Best reason to have a gun is to take some of them with you, the whole point of the Second Amendment.

[RICKF178]

John, Thanks For Taking The Time To Set-up The Poll On Gun Ownership. I Love This Site And Many Thanks Go Out To You. Remember That In America We Have The Right To Speak Our Minds, Or Pie Holes As Some Would Say And Don't Let One Pie Hole Spoil You Day. I Can't Drive 55!!!
Rickf178

[John]

Gentlefolks,

As far as I can tell, it is by now evident, that the poll results are not changing any more. I guess that we can safely accept the top brands to be :

- Colt
- Springfield
- Kimber
- Para Ordnance
- Smith & Wesson

I would like to thank all those who took the time to vote on this thread, and those who took more time to express their opinion about me and M1911.ORG in general. Sincerely appreciated.

I'll leave this open for a couple more days, just in case there are objections to closing it.

Rgds

[robertbank]

Hi John

Might be worth leaving the poll open and eliminate the commentary. I find it interesting to come back to the poll and see how each manufacturer is doing. Kind of neat stats for the forum. So too the stats on where we all reside.

Regards,

Bob

[Tom]

I agree with Robert - leave the poll itself open, but eliminate the posts. That way new members can cast their vote(s), but you can save forum space by not having the threads. If someone wants to talk about their specific brand of 1911, there already is their dedicated thread in which to do that.

[John]

You want me to go around 22 pages of post, mark each one of them and delete them? Gee, you are not a demanding person!

LoL

I wasn't planning to delete the poll, just to close the thread. If I do that though, no more votes will be entered. So I guess, I'll leave it open.

Did Mrs. Key voted?

[fwarren94551]

You want me to go around 22 pages of post, mark each one of them and delete them? Gee, you are not a demanding person!

LoL

I wasn't planning to delete the poll, just to close the thread. If I do that though, no more votes will be entered. So I guess, I'll leave it open.

Did Mrs. Key voted?

I had no trouble finding your post, El Commandante. I just followed the email link and Voila! There you are!

Amazing, this technology business. If only it were so easy to acquire a custom 1911....then they'd be like air, which is virtually free, and nobody would come here anymore. Nobody talks about air.

1911s, good 1911s, remain scarce, which is why we talk about them. Gold may not tarnish but if it were plentiful, if the beaches were lined with it....

[shep854]

It seems as if this thread has taken a life of its own. :) Closing it would be like tossing out an old, soft shirt that is just right for loounging around in.

Besides, maybe Auto-Ordnance will post a run... :rolleyes:

[Tom]

You want me to go around 22 pages of post, mark each one of them and delete them? Gee, you are not a demanding person!

LOL In a word - yes. I mean, what else did you have planned to do during that time? :D

Did Mrs. Key voted?

Damn, I'm really liking this "Quick Reply" feature for multiple quotes. I dunno. Probably, but who knows. Besides, who ever said women should have the right to vote anyway? ;)

[Jeffrey]

Damn, I'm really liking this "Quick Reply" feature for multiple quotes. I dunno. Probably, but who knows. Besides, who ever said women should have the right to vote anyway?

Well, she does have a 1911 (though, bought with your money ;) ) I think she is entitled to the right to vote. :D

[Tom]

Shhh! No one asked you. ;)

[shep854]

does it sound like this is becoming the "bar" or "lounge" thread for the forum?

[TommyC]

I guess I should answer this...

9, all colts. Mostly stock, some slightly modded.

1 x 80 series Oficers Model, Blue
2 x 80 series Combat commanders, Blue
1 x 70 series Combat Commander, Blue
1 x 70 series LW Commander, Blue
3 x 70 series Govt. Models, 2 blue & 1 Satin Nickel
1 x 80 series CCO, Two Tone

Comming Soon to a gun safe near Me:

SA Milspec to be sent to YOBO for the 1* Enhanced Treatment
SA Milspec to be sent to Dave Berryhill for the MEU(SOC) Treatment.

If my wife is reading this, It is a sickness Honey! Honest! :D

[RICKF178]

I have three (1)Kimber Ultra Elite,all the extras,(2)Colt Officers Model,night sites and rounded and snag free,(3) Old Army Colt my father brought back from WWII very special to me just because my Dad owned it, plain Jane. On a personal note, my father earned a Bronze Star on Omaha Beach on D-Day. He never spoke of the war and I didn't know he had any metals till he died this past March. He was a country boy who had never been more than a few miles from home until his great country called him to serve, and serve he did.I believe what makes this country what it is, is because all those young men ran to enlist to save this country and the free world. I salute each and every one of them. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Thanks
Rick

[Jeffrey]

I have three (1)Kimber Ultra Elite,all the extras,(2)Colt Officers Model,night sites and rounded and snag free,(3) Old Army Colt my father brought back from WWII very special to me just because my Dad owned it, plain Jane. On a personal note, my father earned a Bronze Star on Omaha Beach on D-Day. He never spoke of the war and I didn't know he had any metals till he died this past March. He was a country boy who had never been more than a few miles from home until his great country called him to serve, and serve he did.I believe what makes this country what it is, is because all those young men ran to enlist to save this country and the free world. I salute each and every one of them. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Thanks
Rick

...and may God Bless your Father. :)

[Tom]

I believe what makes this country what it is, is because all those young men ran to enlist to save this country and the free world. I salute each and every one of them. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

I believe the same thing. Every one of those men and women who stopped what they were doing to join up and server are heroes in my book - and the same holds true for the ones now in Iraq and Afghanistan. The news media today may not report on today's warriors with the same enthusiasm they did back in the 1940's, but I believe that when all is said and done, and the history books are being written about events since 9-11-2001, they'll show we did the right thing - not just for us but for the entire world.

Amen.

I'll climb down from my soapbox now.

[dartman]

Nice poll John. 1911 is the best hand gun!!!!
Although I don't see my gun's model in the list- but its ok.
More power to this site!!!! :)

By the way mine is an Imperial Defense "Ranger" 1911a1.

[Joni Lynn]

The 1911 is like the Harley Davidson. It has personality and is easily modified to suit the owner. And.........like the HD, can really be a PITA at times.

[fwarren94551]

Nice poll John. 1911 is the best hand gun!!!!
Although I don't see my gun's model in the list- but its ok.
More power to this site!!!! :)

By the way mine is an Imperial Defense "Ranger" 1911a1.

I disagree, dartman. I pick a SIG or Walther over 1911 for last-ditch defense any way, any day, or perhaps a revolver. I like the 1911 and have been with it a long time but too many have been marginal for me. I no longer trust the design or manufacturing abilities of most major manufacturers.

Maybe some day this will change but probably not in my lifetime.

The 1911 is a lot of fun to use, like the 1873 SAA, but I believe there are better choices. Nobody right now is producing a reliable 1911 for less than $1500 retail, and sometimes even some of those are marginal if they say Kimber or SA on the slide.

The bottom line is that nobody, except the boutique shops started by the top 3 pistolsmiths in the country (Wilson, Baer, Brown), make the 1911 as it should be made. Some, like Springfield and Kimber, never appear to have known and others, like Colt, forgot.

As Joni brings up in the reply following this one, 1911s are like original HD's; you got to wrench on them after every ride so the bolts don't fall off the thing.

In the meanwhile, some work, but most don't work all that well.

A truly great design when first conceived that is being dragged, backwards, into the 21st Century because nobody left notes. Making 1911s run reliably has become a costly, arcane art. Glocks run better and cost only $550 or so. SIGs run even better than that and run only $820 or so. None of this $1500 noise when the people building it also designed it to work with the manufacturing methods available at the time.

After living with 1911s since I was young, this is what I have learned. They USED to run a lot better than they do now.

Frank

[robertbank]

I respect your opinion but as my grand-dad used to tell me when I was a very young child, "every man has the god given right to be wrong".

I have three Norincos, a Para SSP, had a Para P-14 Ltd, now owned by my son and NONE of these guns required a dimes worth of work on them to shoot reliably. The Norincos cost $325. Cdn or about $250 US which is half the cost of a Glock. The Para SSP cost me $1,050 Cdn or about $800 US and is sooooo much better than a Glock both in fit and finish.

Have yet to hear of a KAboom in a Para. Type in Glock - Kaboom in Google and check out the pictures or if you need more convincing just pick up some .40 cal brass shot from a Glock and check out the base of the case.

Yes I have spent money on my Norincos, but that was mostly ego stuff and customizing for my personal benefit. Older eyes required better sights for the shooting I do. That said the mil-spec sights were good enough if humans were to be the target of choice which after all was the reason for the 1911 in the first place.

Enjoy your Sigs, Glocks and Berettas if you will but the 1911 design was, is and will in the future be a proven simple design doing a job it is very capable of doing.

Bob

ps. I have a CZ85 and a pair of Brownings, all in 9MM. All three guns are very dependable designs. IF I had to carry a 9MM either pistol would be fine - might favour the CZ over the Brownings only because of the increased capacity BUT both are very well made and excellent designs. The latter has a pretty good long time record in the line of duty matching my favourite piece the 1911.

Stay Safe

[Tom]

A truly great design when first conceived that is being dragged, backwards, into the 21st Century...

There's a contradiction here, I think. Nothing can be truly called "great" if it hasn't passed the test of time. And in this case, a "great" design either is, or it isn't.

The overall design of the 1911 may not be sophisticated by today's standard. It may not utilize the advances of today's technology. But that doesn't still make it a "great" design. The Empire State Building in New York is one of the Wonders of the Modern World. The building itself is old, built with materials and using designs that are "passe" by modern standards. And there are buildings that are taller and more sophisticated in terms of technology and materials. But that doesn't lessen the importance of the ESB - and that is why it still has its designation today.

Push rod V8 engines is another "great" technology, and may be something even more applicable to this analogy. Conceived and first manufactured decades ago, the push rod V8 is still a technological marvel, and still widely produced and utilized in many motor vehicles including the coveted Chevy Corvette. Are there "better" engine designs? OHC - and even DOHC - engines abound and have staggering performance benchmarks. A definite improvement in automotive and engine design. Add to that fuel injection over carburetors, front-wheel drive over rear-wheel, etc. There have been improvements, sure. But when someone wants a car with a lot of muscle, they don't go looking for the latest products from Japan. They want the Mustangs and the Camaros and similarly designed vehicles.

Doesn't make them better. Doesn't make them worse. It just "is" and they are called great because they've lasted all these years.

If you like the 1911 design, fine. If you don't, that's also fine, but maybe give us the opportunity to change your mind. :)

[fwarren94551]

And I respect your opinion, Bob, and am glad you haven't run into the problem guns, magazines and malfitted parts that I and others have.

There is no "right and wrong" in all this - only experience and, as this site shows, it varies from man to man and gun to gun. That is why I posted as I did, because I don't think it should.

[robertbank]

You will give me this. Sigs are sigs unless you count the Norinco copy which is not built by Sig and from what I have read has a few issues. The 1911 platform is presently being built be a number of companies. I think it is a bit much to expect every part to automatically fit a 1911 design gun built be one company and then the same part to fit a 1911 design built be another.

We tend to speak as though each are identical when clearly they are not. The platform design is the same but each 1911 maker essentially makes his own variant to the 1911. Do you expect a CZ75/85 part to fit a Norinco copy of the gun? I doubt it, yet we expect a Springfield built 1911 to be identical in every respect to a Kimber. Sorry I don't get it.

Of the major players I stick to Para and STI. For a base gun, only because they are so inexpensive the Norinco A1, the best buy right now is shooting sports IMHO - in Canada anyway, I know you can;t get them stateside.

I think Joni exagerates a tad on the wrneching bit. ABout the only thing I have seen done to 1911's after a major shoot is they need to be cleaned. She, however, can answer for herself because I don't think the 1911 is at all like a HD motorcycle. There are better bikes than a Harley but no better handgun than a 1911 IMHO.

[38 Super]

Chalk on another Colt!

[Joni Lynn]

No robertbank, I didn't exagerate, even my gunsmith couldn't understand how my series 80 gold cup left the factory with a trigger pull over 12 pounds, wouldn't reliably feed hardball Federal ammo, and shot match grade ammo into about 3 to 4 inches at 10 to 12 yards, also rattled like it wanted to fall apart. Now it's a wonderful gun, best I have. Once a 1911 is running right, which I'm sure many do from the start, all it takes is cleaning and shooting.

[Joni Lynn]

I wasn't saying the HD was the best of motorcycles, only that there is so much can be done to one to personalize it....similar in that regard to the 1911.

[MICK]

semper fi because of my 45 i didn't have to die

[Joni Lynn]

That's a very very good thing!

[Jeffrey]

No robertbank, I didn't exagerate, even my gunsmith couldn't understand how my series 80 gold cup left the factory with a trigger pull over 12 pounds, wouldn't reliably feed hardball Federal ammo, and shot match grade ammo into about 3 to 4 inches at 10 to 12 yards, also rattled like it wanted to fall apart. Now it's a wonderful gun, best I have. Once a 1911 is running right, which I'm sure many do from the start, all it takes is cleaning and shooting.

12 pound trigger pull on a 1911! :eek:

[swickness82]

I don't see how there's an issue about data collection when to register on this forum you're not even required to give your real/full name. How could someone collect a "hitlist" this way? I'm sure there is a way and I would be interested to hear how. I like the poll. I was suprised there are not more sig 1911 owners... that was what i probably would have got if i didn't get my KIMBER TLE/RL II! :)

[Joni Lynn]

Yes at least 12 pound, we used a scale for weighing a fish to try and check it. (Yes we were holding the grip safety down.) It was just that bad. My gunsmith at first thought I had done a kitchen trigger job on it. The safety was so hard to engage that is was useless also. It wasn't a very good example of a colt gold cup, and a trip back to colt didn't help any. Any company can make a lemon, When my lemon was near water lemonade resulted. The gunsmith didn't believe I hadn't done that to it until my father told him I hadn't touched it. Like I said, it's a fine gun now, slide tightened, barrel work, trigger work......it's quite nice now.

[robertbank]

Oh I don't doubt your experience for a minute.

Of all the handgun designs out there, few, no I have to say none are re-produced or "copied" like the 1911. CZ 75/85, Hi-Power and Sigs come to mind but even then the numbers pale in comparison.

We gun owners speak as though every 1911 is the same as the next and they clearly aren't. Colt made the first 1911 designed guns. Even Colt didn't leave the original design alone and probably for a number of good reasons. So now we are treated with variations of the design by a number of manufactures. Some get it right others don't. The marketplace seems to be saying most do. When they don't, the guns can be made right.

[Jeffrey]

Oh I don't doubt your experience for a minute.

Of all the handgun designs out there, few, no I have to say none are re-produced or "copied" like the 1911. CZ 75/85, Hi-Power and Sigs come to mind but even then the numbers pale in comparison.

We gun owners speak as though every 1911 is the same as the next and they clearly aren't. Colt made the first 1911 designed guns. Even Colt didn't leave the original design alone and probably for a number of good reasons. So now we are treated with variations of the design by a number of manufactures. Some get it right others don't. The marketplace seems to be saying most do. When they don't, the guns can be made right.

Ahh the beauty of the 1911. :)

[threerounds]

Nice survey. John you are way too smart. I never would have figured you for an anti gunner...what a cover ;) .

[keeva]

Thanks for the poll. Itis good info. I have a Colt Officer's Model and a Para LDA Spec Ops in OD.

Ignore the insult. It comes with the territory.

[Joni Lynn]

Keeva.....Hi!!! Great to see you post here!!!!!!!!! :):)

[keeva]

Imagine running into you herem Joni. Cool!! :)

Actually, I have been lurking around this site for a while. Excellent site.

[Tom]

Actually, I have been lurking around this site for a while. Excellent site.

Oh great. There goes the neighborhood. :)

[keeva]

Good to see you, too IslandersFan. Obviously this is the right neighborhood.

[Joni Lynn]

I hang around here too much, but someone has to keep the Dark Sith Tom in line.

[Tom]

Obviously this is the right neighborhood.

I don't think there's anything "right" about this place. I mean, c'mon, Lynn posts here. ;)