New Colt Carry is in distibutors computers!!!!!

[d90king]

Just a quick post to let everybody know that it appears that the new Colt is not far away. :p My guy called to let me know he got confirmation on mine from the distributor that they have received I think he said allocation numbers based on individual distributors orders. It sounded as if they got far fewer than they had placed orders for. Who knows ya hear lots of stuff ?? I wouldnt think that they would be to far behind. One can hope ;)
Also I think he said list was 860 but not sure on that.

Patrick

[clughog]

Sounds good, Patrick! I'm on the list with my distributor...can't wait! MSRP was $885 for the Model O7810 last I saw and it's called the "New Agent" I believe.

[daveohno]

I see a new Colt in my not too distant future!

[Chuck86]

are there any pics anywhere of this weapon?

[wetidlerjr]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/wetidlerjr/Colt%201911/CCC.jpg

[elijdub]

NICE!!!! That's one fine lookin' Colt!

[John]

I have only one question. Why on earth isn't there a beavertail on this pistol?? I mean, it's not a traditional 1911 on which Colt would like to maintain the original Commander grip safety, so why did they used it? Why not a proper beavertail, shortened to the smallest possible size to help concealability?

[d90king]

I have only one question. Why on earth isn't there a beavertail on this pistol?? I mean, it's not a traditional 1911 on which Colt would like to maintain the original Commander grip safety, so why did they used it? Why not a proper beavertail, shortened to the smallest possible size to help concealability?

I could not agree more :butthead: :butthead: . They not only look better but I think they function better too ;) (much better seating for a proper grip)

Patrick

[John]

Don't get me wrong, I love this grip safety with the round Commander hammer they now use on the Combat Commander, but on this gun? It looks totally out of place.

[Jeffrey]

I have only one question. Why on earth isn't there a beavertail on this pistol?? I mean, it's not a traditional 1911 on which Colt would like to maintain the original Commander grip safety, so why did they used it? Why not a proper beavertail, shortened to the smallest possible size to help concealability?

I was going to pose this same question John. Although it is a gorgeous Colt, I don't quite understand the grip safety. :confused:

[OD*]

I actually like the looks of the pistol as it is. IF, I were to get one, I would replace the hammer with a rowel type.

[JustinTime]

I too would change the hammer to the rowel hammer instead of the beaver tail. My FFL is supposed to be holding the one they have ordered for me when it comes in. I'm not sure if I want it or not. There are too many other colts out there. I haven't heard that this pistol is a limited run.

[RonS]

Does anyone have an idea yet on actual prices on these? I checked Buds GS website, and they have several Colt models listed, but not the CCC.

The only thing I would change is to fit conventional sights, except for that, it is perfect. Since I have thin hands, I don't need the bulk of a beavertail and I love the classic safety. That gun and a summer special is all I need in a gun.

[elijdub]

IF, I were to get one, I would replace the hammer with a rowel type.

Can you clarify the "rowel" type hammer? Is that the "rounded" more circular one on the commander's?

Personally, i agree with John, in that i'd like to see a beavertail on there too. Also, IMHO, i think it would benefit in general from the model "O" package. Some dehorning especially!
Anyone know what kinda' sights are on this one? It almost looks like those "trough" sights like on the Kimber RCP (which i've never tried, but i know others like).

RonS, I believe earlier in the thread someone mentioned that the MSRP was $885...?

[OD*]

These are rowel hammers (by Berryhill Custom, LLC) ;

https://www.shop.berryhillguns.com/images/1176998893494695643238.jpeg

And you're correct, many people call them "Commander" hammers, but they were in use 50 years before Colt ever offered a Commander. ;)

They were used all the way back on the C96 or more commonly referred to as the 1896 Broomhandle Mauser.

[elijdub]

Interesting. I'd always just assumed that they "showed up" on the commanders. Personally i think they're great lookin'....I don't know what the benefits are, per sey. I just like that "traditional" look of the commander. Thanks

[OD*]

It almost looks like those "trough" sights like on the Kimber RCP
Basically, that's exactly what it is. ;)
Although Colt did not copy the design from Kimber, Colt/Browning were using it as early as 1903 and again on the Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket MODEL 1908 .25 ACP.

[OD*]

Interesting. I'd always just assumed that they "showed up" on the commanders. Personally i think they're great lookin'....I don't know what the benefits are, per sey. I just like that "traditional" look of the commander. Thanks
Early P-35 Browning High-Powers used them also (and Walther PPK back in 1932). ;)

[elijdub]

Basically, that's exactly what it is. ;)
Although Colt did not copy the design from Kimber, Colt/Browning were using it as early as 1903 and again on the Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket MODEL 1908 .25 ACP.

Can you be fairly accurate with those sights? Personally, i don't mind having some "low-profile" sights on my carry gun...but can understand why others do. Speaking of which...i'm finally taking New Mexico's conceal carry class this weekend! ..been lookin' forward to this one for a while.

[OD*]

Can you be fairly accurate with those sights?
Used as intended (close range), yes sir, many practice without sights altogether.

Best of luck with your concealed carry class. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

[daveohno]

At very close range, you probably wouldn't use the sights anyway. This isn't a target pistol, it's kind of like a snubby wheelgun. For close encounters of the ugly kind.

[aphco]

Other than looking just a little shorter, and the thinner hammer, how does this differ from the Lt. Wt. Officers Model?

[airbornerangerboogie]

Nice looking piece, but I think I'll hang on to my Ole' Trusty Colt Defender for a while longer.

[auto45]

Good looking gun IMO.

If I "see" one more stainless 1911 with Novak sights...I'll scream... :D

I think we'll see this as a good base gun for some custom work.

I'd make some bets that a good percentage of people that buy them, add sights within a year. At least the ones that bought them for shooting and not collecting.

[jeff1124]

I dunno, it's made for carry and carry guns are generally not used for long range target guns. I think it's a great idea for snag free IWB use! There's a lot of Colts out there with sights already if you want one!

[elijdub]

Best of luck with your concealed carry class. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

Thanks OD!


I DO think the sight-free feature is great for carry...i just can't get past the look, personally :eek: . I may have said so earlier, but i don't mind having low-mounts on my carry gun (even for IWB).
I agree with the above statement...this gun is a great platform for custom work.

[Mr. X]

Since Colt didn't consult me on this one (or any other) the only flaw in the design is that the relief on the slide in no way marries up with the front of the frame (dust cover). This looks aesthetically strange. I have been looking at Detonics Combat Masters and Kimber RCPs but I think I might wait for this one...

[elijdub]

Since Colt didn't consult me on this one (or any other) the only flaw in the design is that the relief on the slide in no way marries up with the front of the frame (dust cover). This looks aesthetically strange. I have been looking at Detonics Combat Masters and Kimber RCPs but I think I might wait for this one...

Are there other pics of this new one out there? I've only seen the one on the first page of the thread. I'm really lookin' forward to seeing it in person! I have a buddy who has an RCP, and swears by it....i just can't get past the "bobbed" hammer on it.

[John]

What? You haven't read our E-zine? This pistol was reported first in our E-zine (before any other publication), in the Volume 2 Issue 1, straight from the SHOT Show floor, in FL.

Here is another picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/sv1cec/reviews/shotshow/DSC_0381.jpg

[elijdub]

Ah ha, thanks John. I don't think i was a member yet when this one was reviewed..? I'm on it!

[RonS]

Anyone got one yet?

[John]

They are not out there yet folks. Last I heard from Mark Roberts was that they'll ship in July. Of course, you will be the first to read about this, here, in our E-zine.

[twin oaks]

Is it just the way I'm looking at it, or is this basically a black, unfinished 'defender'?

[Hunter]

Not really. It has the BHP cuts at the muzzle of the slide and no sights. Internally I do not know if it is any different but rest assured I will post pictures of all the internals when I get my hands on one for the e-zine.

[twin oaks]

Hi Hunter,
Just went sniffin' around and guess what I found. . . .check out post #116 in the "pictures of Colts" thread. I believe you even commented on it.

[OD*]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/trk2ajk/DSCF2691.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/sv1cec/reviews/shotshow/DSC_0378.jpg

[Mr. X]

I do love the 'KISS' approach to the gun. I have always been a fan of the Kimber RCP and the Detonics (RIP?) Combat Master. But seriously, I know I have said it before... why the BHP cuts? And if Colt just can't leave it alone and has to do something with the front of the slide, maybe serrations or, perhaps something that won't snag on a holster.

I am sure I am in the minority here with this gripe. I will more than likely still buy one.

Wonder what finish they are putting on the frame. The whole gun looks blasted/blued or parked... and I am assuming that it is an AL frame.

Cheers!

[RickB]

I've seen this Colt ripped in the gun press and internet; No sights; what were they thinking?!? No beavertail; what were they thinking? G.I.-style thumb safety; what were they thinking?!?! The very similar Kimber gets nothing but fawning. It's so smooth! It's so compact! It comes with so much advertising money . . . uh, I mean, it's uh . . . Maybe if Colt painted it tan next month, and then a different color the month after? For Kimber, that would rate two magazine covers for the "new models". :rolleyes: .

[Hunter]

I agree Rick and by them saying that leads me to believe they have absolutely zero creditability.

[John]

I've seen this Colt ripped in the gun press and internet; No sights; what were they thinking?!? No beavertail; what were they thinking? G.I.-style thumb safety; what were they thinking?!?! The very similar Kimber gets nothing but fawning. It's so smooth! It's so compact! It comes with so much advertising money . . . uh, I mean, it's uh . . . Maybe if Colt painted it tan next month, and then a different color the month after? For Kimber, that would rate two magazine covers for the "new models". :rolleyes: .
I am not ripping Colt for the sights or the safety, I can understand the concept and I am perfectly happy with these, but this gun is for ... deep concealment (whatever that means). A small, rounded beavertail would be much more effective both in concealing the pistol and in protecting the shooter's hand (the Commander grip safety used is OK as far as protecting the shooter's hand, but it's kind of long for such a gun).

[paul45]

Here is the latest quote from Mark1648 from the other forum....

"New Agent"

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Is the name of the new trench sight defender clone that was displayed at the Shot Show. First 300 will ship before the end of June. No pics yet, new roll mark came in last week. I am on the road for the next few weeks but will post complete pics when I get back.
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Mark

I for one like it and wish them great success.......

[elijdub]

...But seriously, I know I have said it before... why the BHP cuts? And if Colt just can't leave it alone and has to do something with the front of the slide, maybe serrations or, perhaps something that won't snag on a holster.

I am sure I am in the minority here with this gripe. I will more than likely still buy one.

Wonder what finish they are putting on the frame. The whole gun looks blasted/blued or parked... and I am assuming that it is an AL frame.

Cheers!
If you're in the minority, i'm with you! I can't get past the "cuts" either. It is also a small thing for me, and i'll still buy one i suppose... Can anyone explain that design choice (maybe i'm missing something..?)?

BTW, looks like parkerized to me :)

I'm with John about the beavertail...i for one think it could benefit from one. Assuming i buy one, that'll be the first thing i do.

[Hunter]

I hate to say this as a few others told me they did not love the BHP cuts at the muzzle but I do. I suspect this is to aid in cocking the slide from the muzzle. If that is the case I like this cuts much better than front cocking serrations. It is different. As for the grip safety I have always preferred the standard style (that is why I look for the pre enhanced GCNMs first).
From what I have seen through our e-zine I like the little Colt and an optimistic on how it works. The range day will be the deciding factor though.

[Mr. X]

I've got it! Colt needs to make two versions... one with BHP cuts and a std grip safety and one w/o and a beavertail. Problem solved. I never considered that the cuts were there for a 'press check.'

As far as parkerizing goes, can you park AL? I assumed the frame was alloy.

[JustinTime]

If you're in the minority, i'm with you! I can't get past the "cuts" either. It is also a small thing for me, and i'll still buy one i suppose... Can anyone explain that design choice (maybe i'm missing something..?)?

Looks like the minority is becoming the majority. I'm not worried about the grip safety. Wilso Combat makes a nice little drop in part that will take care of that.

[elijdub]

I suspect this is to aid in cocking the slide from the muzzle. If that is the case I like this cuts much better than front cocking serrations.

...The range day will be the deciding factor though.

Hunter, i have to agree with you about this one...much better than front cocking serrations! I, for one, am very much looking forward to your review (if i'm right in understanding you'll be doing it..?).

Mr. X, I think you've nailed it! ...Two models! Now i'm wondering about the parkerized alloy too...?

[larry starling]

I for one like it and wish them great success.......
As do I. And I can't wait to get one myself..... ;)

[Hunter]

I, for one, am very much looking forward to your review (if i'm right in understanding you'll be doing it..?).

Yes I am the one reviewing the new Colt. Mark Roberts has my dealers FFL now.

[Rio Vista Slim]

Yes I am the one reviewing the new Colt. Mark Roberts has my dealers FFL now.
Hunter,
Give Mark a call and tell him to hurry and hustle one up for you. We're all anxious to see what you think. :D

[larry starling]

Yes I am the one reviewing the new Colt. Mark Roberts has my dealers FFL now.
Not bragging are you my friend???? And second I'm jealous! :D

[Hunter]

No sir not bragging just answering the question. I feel lucky to be the one to get to review the new Colt. I am not the most qualified but I think John knew it would break my heart. Thank John I love you!

Slim I am anxiously awaiting the new Colt and Mark is good enough to keep me in the loop. I sure wish they would hurry up though. The wait is painful. With that said I would rather wait and the pistol be right then rush it and I had to be the one to write a bad review on a Colt. That would probably get me banned here. :D

[larry starling]

[QUOTE]No sir not bragging just answering the question. I feel lucky to be the one to get to review the new Colt.
I hear ya, I'm just busting your chops a little. I hope that when it comes in I get a chance to shoot it????
I would rather wait and the pistol be right then rush it and I had to be the one to write a bad review on a Colt. That would probably get me banned here. :D
I can think of some worse things to have done to you than being banned! :D

[Hunter]

I know Larry I was being very blunt for the sarcasm effect. Work with me here. :D
Yes sir you can shoot it but you can't have it. :nono:

[twin oaks]

How about having a 'younger' member, say me, who doesn't have a world of experience w/ the 1911 platform, and who's never shot a 'mini', give it a wringing out?
That way we could critique the pistol in the hands of 'the average user', and not just in the hands of an experienced shooter. :D

[John]

Looks like the minority is becoming the majority. I'm not worried about the grip safety. Wilso Combat makes a nice little drop in part that will take care of that.

You sure Wilson's drop-in safety is for a short frame???

[OD*]

I believe they have two John. IIRC, the one for the Commander is the one you would use, they have the short tangs also..

[John]

Well, yes, they have one for Commanders and one for Government models, but I do not think they have one for Officers frames. And this Colt is an Officers size frame, isn't it?

[OD*]

I have a Government Model grip safety in my Officers, they are all the same size, it's only the tang radius on the frames that differ. ;)

http://mysite.verizon.net/od45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/minime.jpg

[John]

Darn OD* you are right, what was I thinking? All that is different in the Officers, is the MSH, everything above it is the same. Good Lord, I shouldn't be trusted near a computer in the morning.

Sorry folks, carry on.

[Dr. Dickie]

Good golly!
I leave you guys alone for a couple of months and you come up with a brand NEW pony!
Wow, that is a sweet looking pistol. The lack of sights and doesn't bother me (they just seem to block my view on the governments and commanders I have anyway). And I just promised the wife no more guns for a while (gotta get a dictionary and look up the definition of a while!).

[John]

Anything for 3" to 10'. More than 10' can not be considered "a while". You can tell her that I said so.

:lm:

[OD*]

Darn OD* you are right, what was I thinking? All that is different in the Officers, is the MSH, everything above it is the same. Good Lord, I shouldn't be trusted near a computer in the morning.

Sorry folks, carry on.
I like to blame my brain fades on lack of caffeine and nicotine. :D

[larry starling]

Yes sir you can shoot it but you can't have it. :nono:
Come on now!that just doesn't seem right.... :(