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Carbine_Man
22nd February 2005, 18:29
Thanks to the good information to be found here, I find that I'm building an Auto Ordinance 1911 quite by accident!

I got the bug to build a 1911, and looked around at a few frames. When I called Sarco and told them what I was interested in, the Sarco gun shop guy steered me toward frames from a company called SMI. Sarco has more expensive frames, but I wanted to build a drop-in shooter. He told me that he had very good experience with these frames and had built a few guns with them, and that the parts just dropped in, and they ran great.

So I ordered it, had it delivered to the local FFL, went over and did the paperwork last week. I was impressed with the quality of the machining and finish for an $89 frame. What caught my eye was the "WORCESTER MA" under the "SMI MA INC." on the side of the frame.

I own a Kahr PM9. I find it hard to believe that in anti-gun Massachusetts there would be two completely unrelated gun manufacturers, Kahr and SMI. So I looked around this forum and sure enough, SMI is Saeilo Manufacturing Industries, division of Saeilo, Inc. Check this out. (http://www.saeilo.com/oper_front_f.html)

And the president of SMI is none other than Justin Moon, who also started Kahr Arms, which purchased Auto Ordnance.

It just so happens that today I have been searching high and low for a reputable source of GI parts. I have already ordered some parts from Brownells, but Brownells was out of grip screw bushings. So I went over to Auto Ordinance (http://www.auto-ordnance.com/) and thence to Tommy Gun Shop.com (http://www.tommygunshop.com/) where I found all the parts I needed.

I may go ahead and buy the top-end parts from Auto-Ord as well, since lately they have a good reputation.

AND BEFORE YOU REPLY: Yes, I know I could have done it cheaper by just buying one, but I really want the satisfaction and knowlege that only comes from building it yourself. I will be doing a beavertail grip safety and upgraded internals as well.

Hope someone finds this useful information.

stumbler
22nd February 2005, 18:39
Be safe and keep us informed. (We want pics when finished):)

2IDdoc
24th February 2005, 14:06
Hello, I'm new to these forums. I have a AO 1911 WW2 model, and I like it, but I want to make some changes. What beaver tail grip safety will fit the frame? Where can I find one? Are Colt parts interchangable? I want to change the hammer, grip safety, and the barrel. I had to send it back to AO a few times to get it running. It was stovepiping alot. They fixed it, but now the slide is kind of loose. The accuracy is hurting. Would a new barrel or recoil spring guide help this?
Just like to add, the people at AO were very friendly, and were very eager to help resolve my problem. They did a great job, and now this pistol eats everything. I go out back and pop Wolf 230gr. hardball all day, don't clean it for a few days, and shoot it again with no problems. This pistol is a shooter.

Customer service at AO is top notch! :D

stumbler
24th February 2005, 16:50
Welcome to the forum! Most 1911a1 parts are interchangeable. The best source for quality parts is www.brownells.com (http://www.brownells.com) . www.m1911.org (http://www.m1911.org) has a very good tech section. In there, you will find info on accuracy, reliability, rebuilding issues.


Good shooting.

xd9user
28th February 2005, 19:15
Be safe and keep us informed. (We want pics when finished):)


Heck, stumbler, I want pics as carbine man builds it. I have a HUGE BURNING desire to build a 1911 and have been actively looking for a frame. All the ones I have found so far are several hundred dollars.

Carbine man, you fitting the frame to the slide yourself? If so how about a "blow by blow" description as you progress. Are you using a jig to hold the frame as you work? If so which one? I would love to see pics as you make progress in fitting the slide to the frame.


RWW

Carbine_Man
28th February 2005, 20:35
Heck, stumbler, I want pics as carbine man builds it. I have a HUGE BURNING desire to build a 1911 and have been actively looking for a frame. All the ones I have found so far are several hundred dollars.

Carbine man, you fitting the frame to the slide yourself? If so how about a "blow by blow" description as you progress. Are you using a jig to hold the frame as you work? If so which one? I would love to see pics as you make progress in fitting the slide to the frame.


RWWHeh, heh, heh... You've got the wrong man. I am NOT a gunsmith. My whole building experience is a half-dozen AR15's.

Everything I am doing on this 1911 is drop-in, as much as possible and without apology! If I end up in a place that requires buying a jig, it will go to a gunsmith. If the slide fits the frame somewhat loosely, I'm fine with that. I expect this to be a shooter, not a target/competition gun. If I pull the trigger and it goes "BooM!" and not BooM-BooM-BooM-BooM-BooM-BooM-BooM!, I will consider it a success,

So don't use me as an example! It will be "how NOT to build a 1911" video, first and last in a series from AGI!!!!

All kidding aside, I will be progressing slowly and using a lot of advice from the forum.

Carbine_Man
2nd March 2005, 12:12
Well guys,

I ended up having a problem with the Kahr/Auto Ord mainspring being too tight. A Wolff replacement worked fine. Notes are over in the gunsmithing forum.

The mainspring housing proved to be very crude. I permanently pinned and trimmed off the lanyard loop that cam on it, and then started smoothing down the outside corners with a fine file. After really working with it, I'd have to say it is soft steel and the surface was very irregular and crappy. I had to do a lot of filing to get it smooth and nice looking.

Overall, I'd have to say don't buy Auto Ord/Kahr 1911 parts unless you're desparate.

stumbler
2nd March 2005, 14:35
I suggest you keep a log as you go. What you had to purchase, What work had to be done to fit things, etc... I am interested in seeing a complete report (with pics) and what problems arose.

Be safe.

stumbler
2nd March 2005, 14:46
Just for your info, check: http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=277

Carbine_Man
2nd March 2005, 14:54
I suggest you keep a log as you go. What you had to purchase, What work had to be done to fit things, etc... I am interested in seeing a complete report (with pics) and what problems arose.

Be safe.That's a good suggestion. In fact I am keeping a log lof each purchase, problem, resolution, etc. Biggest issue I've run into so far is finding a shop that does aluminum oxide blasting. I've been talking to the people at K-Guard (the people who make Gun-Kote) to insure I can make the finish work. Thankfully that issue is resolved (found 2 places to do Al-Ox blasting) and finishing should be straightfoward. That should be a thread by itself.

I have been looking over the Wilson disconnector, sear and trigger. Beautiful parts. I'll be ordering the hammer soon, and the slide should be arriving next week.