Colt O1911 WWI Repro Model... Well...

[Mick_In_Texas]

...I did it. Ordered one today. From AJC on a lead from folks here on John's forum. I did search around some, couldn't find one anyplace else. I hope it's a good one. Reckon I'll have it in about 10 days... have to travel for business mid-next week, but, don't expect my FFL to have before the weekend of the 10th or week of 12-16.

Reckon I sure don't need another 1911 pistol... but, by golly, I sure wanted the 1911 Repro! They're limited production. I love my USGI 1911, First Lady, from 1918. If my Repro is good, reliable, and functional, it WILL be carried. And shot. Now that my right hand has healed up, finally.

We'll see. I will check it out when I get it, and share with y'all. You folks are my "family" as far as guns and 1911s go. After this one, GOT to postpone for a while... thought long and hard before mailing that payment this morning. Hopefully didn't mess up; but, darn... some things, you only get one shot at. Like First Lady. I appreciate the guidance and help from several folks here, in finding one that was available NIB outside of some pretty steep auctions. Couldn't have found it without y'all, even though I had to apply a little of my own initiative to search around other places. Thank y'all.

Y'all take care and be safe. Have a good start on the weekend. I'm sick right now, but, I'll live.

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

Congrats Mick! I've been waiting for mine now for a week. If they're all as good as the one I handled we'll both be happy.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Congrats Mick! I've been waiting for mine now for a week. If they're all as good as the one I handled we'll both be happy.

I SO hope we will be. It's a beautiful gun. You're pretty knowledgeable, and if you like the O1911, there you go, folks. I've never actually been able to handle or see one in real life, as we have no Colt's dealers here in the Texas Brazos Valley... My Va dealer couldn't get one. But, I LUST after this one, and I got the money, so there you go. I'll use my IRS refund to pay down credit cards. This one, ma'am, is getting rare as they near the end of the production run; I wish they'd add it to the "regular" line; but, right now it's a custom shop model. Am anxious to hear about yours, and will sure share mine with all you fine folks here. Congratulations, Ma'am!!! I'm happy for YOU, as well!!!

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

The only problem I saw with the one I fingerprinted was the sights............very original, not very range friendly. Still..........great 1911!!!!!

[swampthang]

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Reckon I sure don't need another 1911 pistol...

Mick

Yes you do Mick, you just dont know it yet!!!!!!!!!!:D

[Mick_In_Texas]

The only problem I saw with the one I fingerprinted was the sights............very original, not very range friendly. Still..........great 1911!!!!!

Very minimal. The milspecs. My USGI 1918, my RIA, my GI45, have those; I can handle them, as the 1911's pretty much a point and shoot pistol. But, yeah, I much prefer those Colt's three dot combats, like on my O1991 and 38 Super Govt and my Springer Mil-spec... but, ma'am, what can we say? Since the platform fits my hand, eye, mind and heart so well, I do about as well with the milspec sights, as I do with the three dots, except for the Colt's: they are WONDERFUL. Better than my Springer, better than my two Rugers, better than my Taurus. I'm just happy that you N me and many others, are getting the O1911 before they're GONE. You are correct, in most ways, though. Shoot, I'd like to get Tricons for one of my Springers, actually. Maybe even a LaserGrip for it. But, with folks like you... I think the world is safe, regardless.

My unfortunate three brandish encounters with criminals--and I hope to NEVER have another--have pretty much been face to face or less than 10 yds. At that distance/range, you're going to be pretty much dead on if you have to fire, and thank my God I've NEVER had to fire, and I never want to. I still remember the taste, the senses... of that one face to face in an apartment door. He was literally in my face. For a few minutes. He left. Smart boy. Targets and ranges are one thing, defense is another. Some overlap. Although, for some reason, I do okay with the milspecs as well as the three dots. My P90 has three dots, and it's what in the past I've earned my CHL with; next time, though, prob going to be a 1911, one way or the other.

You and yours take care and be safe, Ms. Joni.
Mick

[tonyniev]

Congrats Mick! I've been waiting for mine now for a week. If they're all as good as the one I handled we'll both be happy.

Joni Lynn...I took your word that this is a good gun. I put on lay away a ww1 reproduction 1911. The only reason I did it on lay away was to conserve cash for the gun show weekend after next. :-)

This Forum is dangerous...I stumbled on this forum only last Dec 28, bought a Colt Commander in January another Colt Commander in February and now March 1, I have another Colt with my name on it.

I actually went to my favorite gun shop to pick up a dressy gun belt I ordered. The gun belt was not yet in. So I window shopped and saw several Colts- an sxe lightweight commander, an Olympic commemorative 22 cal , a Ranger , a defender, a 380 and in the lower shelf was the ww1 reproduction...it felt lonely as no one has taken it home since Christmas...so I used the money for the belt to start a lay way.

My wife was laughing why I had to place it on lay away...I told her I may buy another gun on March 17. I hope I can find a good Gold Cup...I saw two in January but opted for the Commander.

I plan to display this one in my home office...where can I find a good small display gun case? A small galss covered case that I can hang on the wall.

[Mick_In_Texas]

...whether I do or don't, that O1911's a-coming, I hope! Life is short, I reckon, and I'm an older dude, so there you go: go for the gusto, or whatever, sir! I love firearms, I love law-abiding citizens of ALL countries being able to own and enjoy them, we're NOT a problem, I love to shoot, and I LOVE the 1911 platform, in all its myraid and beautiful variations. But, my first love is the original 1911. First Lady, I would never carry, or shoot much, due to her status, age, and authenticity; she's a Colt, but having a "modern" 1911 to carry and shoot, is my secondary dream. While I love ALL my guns, there are a couple that have a special place in my heart and mind... mostly, 1911s... especially First Lady... I'd sooner give up my two Rugers and my Taurus, than I would ANY of my 1911 platforms. Really though, I don't want to give ANY of them up. Just priorities.

The 1911 fits me better than ANY handgun, revolver or pistol, I've ever owned or shot. I LOVE it. Love it. It's just a viable, functional, defensive, solid design. Guy at work, is looking to buy a Glock; I told him, they're good guns, not my personal choice, he's young, he likes that 9mm and Glock thang... that's okay, as long as he's law-abiding, and he is. Personally, though, I don't need, want, and would never buy a Glock. I talked to a sheriff's deputy today, who was very interested in my choice of a 1911 in .45 ACP as my primary carry gun: he liked it! He, like most decent LEO's, sees me as an ALLY, not an enemy, with my Texas CHL, and thought I had done some homework on my choice for both apartment and road defense. He carries a 9. Yet, I've never met a Texas LEO, who didn't like my choice of .45 in a 1911. Dang thing is a dang good gun and caliber. In fact he and I were trying to convince one of my female co-workers to get into handguns and a CHL. She didn't bite. Oh, well.

Y'all take care and be safe.
Mick

[Hawkmoon]

Chris had one in the case at the range where I shoot awhile back. It is a gorgeous pistol, there is no question about it. The one he had was new and unfired, so of course I didn't get to try it out, but I'm sure he had to give it a good cleaning after I left to remove all the drool and slobber from the finish.

[JustinTime]

Alright Mick, I'm proud for you. Since your gonna shoot yours...if your ever up around Ft. Worth look me up. We'll go shoot it. Then I'll know what mine should shoot like. :D J/K except for the looking me up part.

[JustinTime]

One thing that might be fun for you Mick...The WWI repro is modeled after the 1918 GI. So since you own an authentic 1918GI pistol you'll actually be able to compare the two pistols side by side to see how well colt reproduced them. Kinda Cool huh.

[tonyniev]

Alright Mick, I'm proud for you. Since your gonna shoot yours...if your ever up around Ft. Worth look me up. We'll go shoot it. Then I'll know what mine should shoot like. :D J/K except for the looking me up part.

Can I join you so I don't have to shot my repro too. :-)

[OD*]

Congratulations Mick, I'm sure you'll love it. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif


One thing though buddy, you need to put a little more emotion in your posts. ;) :D

[TattooPaul]

Sweet Mick! Finally!! Congradulations!!! The richness of that Carbonia Blue is too cool and it's like they jumped right out of the history book. They really did a good job getting it closer to the original. You'll not regret the purchase. I'm sure there will be pictures involved here, right? :D

[JTWard01]

I plan to display this one in my home office...where can I find a good small display gun case? A small galss covered case that I can hang on the wall.

Try a search on eBay for "display case." I've bought two from there for a couple pistols, and plan to get a third for my WWI repro.

[tonyniev]

Mick,
I add my congratulations. Your passionate description of your search and final decision to buy this model inspired me to get one myself. Thanks also to Glockinload for posting the photos in another thread. And also Joni Lynn endorsement. Although I paid a tad higher than your VA dealer price, ( shy of 1G) the chance to hold and assess the pistol before buying it was priceless.
The gun shop owner made sure that I understand this model had no upgrades and is based on the old design...I noticed the sights, the hammer and the safety were different form my other Colts. (actually the sights were very similar to my Colt Combat Commander made in 1973 and i can hit bullseye with that sight.)

He knew that I was very partciular on the new features on my series 80 as well as with my polymers.

[tonyniev]

Try a search on eBay for "display case." I've bought two from there for a couple pistols, and plan to get a third for my WWI repro.

Thanks...I did search and now I know what to look for... a good companion to display with the ww1 reproduction will be a springfield rifle the US issued to the GI's before the WW2 Garand MI.

[JustinTime]

Mick,
I add my congratulations. Your passionate description of your search and final decision to buy this model inspired me to get one myself. Thanks also to Glockinload for posting the photos in another thread. And also Joni Lynn endorsement. Although I paid a tad higher than your VA dealer price, ( shy of 1G) the chance to hold and assess the pistol before buying it was priceless.
The gun shop owner made sure that I understand this model had no upgrades and is based on the old design...I noticed the sights, the hammer and the safety were different form my other Colts. (actually the sights were very similar to my Colt Combat Commander made in 1973 and i can hit bullseye with that sight.)

He knew that I was very partciular on the new features on my series 80 as well as with my polymers.

Always happy to do my part.

[JustinTime]

Can I join you so I don't have to shot my repro too. :-)

Sure why not. I'll let you shoot Mick's pistol. :D

[daveohno]

Very good, Mick! My WW1 Repro is amazingly accurate even with the small sights. I got a little hammer bite from it, just as I do with my Bright Stainless Super .38. I would say big hands and a high grip is why I get that bite. I'm sure you'll find everything in order with your new purchase, I'm glad AJC worked out for you. As soon as you get her, take her out and give her a whirl at the range. ;)

[mo' guns]

Mick,

Congratulations on your latest purchase! I'm happy for you. Your excitement is truly infectious. Shoot Well! :D

Mo'

[RemingtonRand]

Mick:

Enjoy that M1911, and like me, it's a nice repo (but just a repo) so shoot the heck out of it and save the originals for future generations -- mine sure gets a good workout with my originals jumping in occasionally, but just occasionally. During my nightly dry-fire exercises, the Colt repo gets just as much attention as my other carry Colts and Springfields. I think you're going to enjoy Colt's newest gem.


RR

[cliff731]

I'd sooner give up my two Rugers and my Taurus, than I would ANY of my 1911 platforms. Really though, I don't want to give ANY of them up. Just priorities.
Like you, Mick, I think the same. I've lately been given to thoughts of thinnin' the herd anyway. Focus on just three or four Colts... and one Springfield 1911A1 Mil-Spec... and yes, I gotta keep one Beretta 92FS... and one Smith & Wesson revolver... oh yeah... gotta keep one Ruger Mk. II... the rest is chafe. That really doesn't look like thinnin' the herd... does it? :nono:

No doubt, fate has led you to acquire this Colt M1911 "reproduction" pistol. Mick, in my heart I believe you would have enduring regrets had you had chose a different path. If I could only have one pistol... and only one... it's gonna be a Colt 1911A1.


But, I LUST after this one, and I got the money, so there you go. I'll use my IRS refund to pay down credit cards...
Now, that's what I call a "plan"!!!

Gotta love this "I LUST after this one"?? But, Mick, what happened to "I pant for one"? In my book, you win the forum award for showing the most sincere and genuine desire to own one of these fine Colts!!!

I don't believe anyone could be more deserving of this pistol than you. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif


My unfortunate three brandish encounters with criminals--and I hope to NEVER have another--have pretty much been face to face or less than 10 yds...

I still remember the taste, the senses... of that one face to face in an apartment door. He was literally in my face. For a few minutes. He left. Smart boy.
That's scary... and real. I am thinking you did have one of your sidearms with you and no doubt would have used it had this "gentleman" (and I use that in the loosest of terms) pursued his intentions.

I am finding that as I mature, any inclination on my part to second guess a person in such a moment as you found yourself has diminished... an overwhelming desire to protect myself has grown while any tendency toward hesitation just ain't there like it used to be.

Maybe it's an "aging" thing... but as I have grown older I find more and more that I sincerely do enjoy the company of my sons, cats and dogs, a pickup truck, good sippin' whiskey and a fine Colt 1911 pistol.

A good woman ought to be added in there... but like any good and proper country song, she's done left me... and that's why the good Lord gave us that Tennessee sippin' whiskey. :p
:lm:

[Mick_In_Texas]

...my enthusiasm! I AM excited. This is almost as good as when I knew First Lady was coming to me... pins and needles, mixed with extreme anticipation... she looked good in the photos at auction (many, many)... yet... was she authentic? Was she damaged internally? All that, all that... and my UTTER AMAZEMENT when we got her out in the FFL's shop, went over her... and she was... excellent. This time, I know this 1911 is NIB! But, I am still anxious, excited, hee hee... But what MAKES IT...

...is sharing it with all you fine folks who also love John Moses Browning's 1911 design!!! Nowhere but HERE can I share these experiences... it's like riding a motorcycle: if you haven't done or don't do it, you just don't get it. Same with you folks: when I fell for the 1911, wow, has it been two years???... it was almost like... a second childhood, in a way; it had been so long since something really interested me, outside of work, passionately. I found y'all before I found my first one, and I am thankful, and still am, that I did. My interest and enthusiasm would be miniscule, a lonely thing, were it not for THIS place and YOU folks!!! Thank y'all...

Tony: glad you found a case for your beauty!!! That is really cool, to have one that you know can be fired, displayed on the wall... How proud you must feel, and you can work away being able to see her!

Hee hee, yessir, first rattle out of the bag, and I've got volunteers to shoot MINE even before I get it... hah! I love it... Guys, y'all are great. Joni Lynn's enthusiasm as a woman shooter--and danged knowledgeable one, at that--is nice, it's good to have law-abiding women involved in our interest. (Me and a sheriff's deputy at work yesterday tried to talk a new female employee at my place into taking handgun training, but she wasn't taking our enthusiasm too well... but, maybe a seed planted?... oh, and he was carring a SHINY gun on DUTY, which I asked him about and found another good LEO who supports we law-abiding firearms-owning civilians who KNOW what these men and women go through)

Hopefully by next weekend... I'll have this one. You can be sure that I will be irritating and clogging y'all with photos, and YES, cooooooool to lay this Repro and First Lady side by side and see what we can see!!! GREAT idea, I'd had it, too, and reckon... pictures... Hah! I've got way better lighting in my place, since I last took photos of my stable... hopefully, we'll get some good ones to look at here. Some of you are just SO good with your photos...

Thank y'all for sharing with me. This forum is a valuable part of my enjoyment of this fine ol' firearm that just keeps on keeping on, in all its many variations...

Mick
:o :lh: :o

[Mick_In_Texas]

...some follow-up phone calls Friday and today... and a really GREAT FFL... and you folks here... I AM GETTING A COLT'S O1911 WWI REPRO MODEL!

Had it not been for leads given me here, I'd never have found one. Yes, I had to pay Texas sales tax, as I got one from AJC Sports in Clute, Texas. Like many folks, my FFL--a big 1911 platform and Colt's fan--has never heard of this very special, semi-custom-shop Repro model. He'll get to see one this week! I'll take First Lady with me to go pick it up this weekend; she's my USGI Colt 1911 from 1918, and we'll have some male/gun fan bonding over the two!

The charge is on my card tonight. I almost missed my chance at one; the on-line order form really didn't make it clear about how they wanted to verify the customer's FFL, and it like to have slipped away from me. Tomorrow, it would have... fortunately, with my purchaser's experience, I was following up on the "buy", stayed in contact with them (AJC Sports). A lady named Linda was a great help to me, there, and so was my FFL, Eddie Sullivan of Sullivan's Outfitters in Bryan.

But, SO WERE YOU FOLKS WHO GAVE ME LEADS TO FIND THIS ONE! I'd never have found it, had it not been for this forum, folks. Thank you all, for all the help!

This will be it for a while, my stable growing to 7 1911 platforms, including First Lady. Four Colts now, including that original one; one RIA, two Springers... so, reckon that makes me a Colt's Guy. Sort of... although I love my Springers and my Rock. There's just something special about a Colt 1911 .45 (or 38 Super, like my one Colt's)!

Wheeeeee! Oh my oh my, I am SO looking forward to getting my fat hands on this O1911 WWI Repro!!!

Mick
:lh:

[Joni Lynn]

That's great news.........I'm sure you're going to be happy with it.
I hope to get a little range time tomorrow with mine.

[pa_guns]

Hi

Now it's time to start looking for your second one ....

(trust me on this ...)

It's the only solution to the "to good not to shoot" / "to pretty to shoot" dilemma.

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

That's great news.........I'm sure you're going to be happy with it.
I hope to get a little range time tomorrow with mine.

It is very good news to me. I almost lost a chance at this one. It set me back, but I know they're limited production. I so love First Lady, my original USGI 1911, but for sure, she'll never be carried or shot that much (like I shoot any of mine all that much, I'm trying to figure how to feed a few SJHPs through them on a regular basis as well as FMJs)...

My FFL is excited. He thinks the O1911 is a collector's item, which in a real way it is; but if it's reliable, I think there will be some holster/truck time with this one, ma'am! It's a limited production model, true; but it's not as collectible as First Lady. Certainly, it will not be abused, as all my firearms. But it will be shot some, and it will be carried. I am so excited I do not know what to do with myself... despite a horrendous day at work today.

Joni, thank you for sharing my excitement. YOU enjoy yours at the range tomorrow!!! It's so good to have a woman mod here, and I love seeing women get involved in the shooting sports and being as knowledgeable as you are about pistols, handguns, and rifles. I wish more women and girls would get involved with the shooting sports. Despite "tradition" or "stereotypes", it is NOT just for males... I saw a bumpersticker on a pickup last week here, that said, "Girls Hunt Too". I LOVED IT. I really enjoy your posts here: You've got a lot of knowledge, and experience with our beloved platform.

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

There's no such thing as a gun that's too pretty to shoot.
Thanks.........really........the reason most women aren't more involved in the shooting sports is probably due to the amount of time they spend talking on their cell phones while driving.

[pa_guns]

There's no such thing as a gun that's too pretty to shoot.


Hi

So swap out the sights and put on a beaver tail? :D :D

They are marvelously well built pistols. You could do *much* worse as a base for a *very* neat custom gun. It would be truly unique ....

Bob

[clughog]

Congratulations, Mick! You guys and gals are sure making me want one!

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

Now it's time to start looking for your second one ....

(trust me on this ...)

It's the only solution to the "to good not to shoot" / "to pretty to shoot" dilemma.

Bob

Oh dear, sir, I don't think I'd ever be able to find a second one... maybe in my dreams, Bob, or if I win a Texas Lottery! But, true: you can NEVER have TOO MANY guns, as a law-abiding citizen. As I was telling Joni Lynn, I realize this one is somewhat rare... but not nearly as rare as First Lady. So, there you go...

I LOVE the original design of the 1911. I will be so HONORED to be able to occasionally carry THAT version of the platform. I hear here that the Carbona Blue finish is just beautiful, outsourced by Colt's. This one, just like First Lady, is just as Mr. Moses designed it for the American military prior to WWI.

Of course, y'all will be oppressed or blessed--depending on how you look at it--with photos this weekend. If AJC ships it tomorrow, I should have it by Saturday. Happy St. Patrick's Day, I GUESS!!! Eddie's wanting to call me at work when he gets it, but he's a long ways from work, and so far, we have restrictions on having firearms in our vehicles at work, even if we're Texas CHL holders as I am. That may change, but as it is, we can't really park on the parking lot anyways, due to construction: I thought I was going to SINK in the mud, leaving tonight!

I am so THRILLED to have latched onto a O1911 Model. I really never thought I'd have one, Sir Bob. As it is, it will be on its way soon. You and yours take care and be safe.

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

I wouldn't do quite that, somewhat better sights maybe a different trigger & trigger job maybe a different mainspring housing and leave the rest as is.
I think I'll leave mine alone. (for now)

[pa_guns]

Hi

Once you have one be very careful you do not run into another - it's a *very* dangerous thing to do.

What's the least invasive thing you can do to the sights? The front sight is Carbona blued as is the rear sight. A black or normal blued part may look a bit odd ....

My first one has a very nice trigger....

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

Congratulations, Mick! You guys and gals are sure making me want one!

... try to get it. They are getting about as rare as hen's teeth. I got mine here, since you're in Texas, too:
http://www.ajcsportshop.com/index.html
They're in Clute, Tx. They actually have run it through for less than I anticipated. There was some confusion on my part in re: my FFL; when you mail order from the on-line form, you need to send a copy of your FFL's certificate with it. They don't really state that, maybe I should've known.

These are beautiful. I love the 1911 platform, sir, but this one is special:
http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/1911WWI.asp

I'm sure you know this. But, just FYI. As I understand it, these are not "regular" production; they may stop at S/N 5000. I have expressed my thoughts to Mark, here, about adding these to Colt's regular production line-up, but, no response. I'd settle for a blued one, regular production...

Anyways, if you can get one, I think it would be a fine addition to your collection. I shouldn't have done it, but I did. There you go.

You and yours take care and be safe.
Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

Once you have one be very careful you do not run into another - it's a *very* dangerous thing to do.

What's the least invasive thing you can do to the sights? The front sight is Carbona blued as is the rear sight. A black or normal blued part may look a bit odd ....

My first one has a very nice trigger....

Bob

Hee hee, I think my WWI Repro will be left as is. I've modified my two Springers--flat MSHs without the ILS--but, my three current Colt's are fine as they came. First Lady, of course, has the military specification minimal sights; my 38 Super and 1991, have the best three-dot combats I've ever seen: Ruger, Springer, S&W, Taurus, Beretta, bar none to my two modern Colts. That said, I function okay with the minimal milspec sights on my GI45 and Rock and First Lady: the 1911 platform is the BEST point and shoot handgun EVER designed, to me, bar none.

pa, I like the long trigger on the original 1911 as opposed to my 1911A1s. It's ALL good, but, my preference. Like Ms. Joni, I think my O1911 will be left alone... It has a steel trigger, like First Lady, unlike my 38 Super Govt Model and O1991. I MUCH prefer the way Colt's builds 1911 platforms... despite that firing pin block on the Series 80s... and Rock Island, as opposed to Springer. My Ruger P90 has that pernicious firing pin block, as does my 38 Super and 1991; but, I can sure live without it, like my Springers and First Lady. My Springers no longer have the ILS, either. The O1911 should be FINE, just like Colt's make it. I LOVE all 1911 platforms, even the ones I wouldn't personally have; but, give me an original. As close to the original as possible. That's why I'm SO EXCITED to have gotten a 1911 Repro. I never thought I'd get one. Really. It's ALMOST as good as getting First Lady, bless her 89-year-old mechanical military heart!

Sights-wise, though... I've thought about a LaserGrip for my Mil-Spec Springer. NEVER on one of my Colts. At the same time, my three encounters with bad guys, have been pretty much face to face, maxium 10 yards; shotgun or pistol, that's pretty close up. I know my preferred gun, the 45 Auto (so called) will function FINE at those distances, regardless of sights.

Y'all all take care, and THANK Y'ALL for sharing my excitement! This place, is SO IMPORTANT to me, in my love of the 1911 platform, and especially that in the .45ACP caliber. I love you folks. Y'all have taught me, and continue to teach me, SO MUCH. Thank you.

Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

The sights are the only thing that my poor old eyes have a problem with. I was taught early (like say age 8 ...) to smoke the front sight on a 1911. That helps, but it still can be hard to pick up.

You are going to love this pistol ....

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

The sights are the only thing that my poor old eyes have a problem with. I was taught early (like say age 8 ...) to smoke the front sight on a 1911. That helps, but it still can be hard to pick up.

You are going to love this pistol ....

Bob

I'm extremely nearsighted in my left eye; my right one, and I'm right-handed, is normal, practically. As long as I don't wear my corrective lenses to shoot, I do GREAT. Which is good, defensively, as I'm not going to go looking for my glasses if someone breaks in or attacks me on the freeways/roadways. I have ONE poor ol' eye! Without my glasses, the milspec sights work pretty good. I know how you feel though: last time I went to the range, I forgot to take my non script safety glasses, I was having heck but managed to hit my targets with three 1911s. The Colt's 38 was SUPERB, despite my eye challenges! I did okay with my Rock and GI45, with the milspecs, but, definitely a challenge...

Sir, I so hope the O1911 is a beauty, and reliable and functional. I've had EXCELLENT results with all my Colt's, for sure. Two years ago, I didn't think I could "afford" a Colt's. Obviously, that has changed...

The first 1911 platform I ever handled and field stripped, WITHOUT a manual, was a Mark IV Government which belonged to a work buddy. IT got me addicted to the platform, after falling in love with the .45ACP on my Ruger P90. It's a beautiful, functional, reliable, rugged gun, the 1911... and the caliber is second to NONE. The original JMB military design--ejection port, long trigger, flat MSH, is beautiful to me, and Colt's reproduction of it is almost as beautiful, as First Lady, an original 1911 from 1918. I've had and shot and seen shot many pistols, but by golly... our beloved platform is the BEST. No gun is PERFECT. But I'll take Ol' Slabsides, with that single action, plunger tube, and barrel bushing, ANY day over my Taurus or my Ruger or my former Berettas. As well as some Smiths, Sigs, Glocks, HKs, Makarovs, and AMTs, and Ravens I've come across, handled, and shot. My Taurus and Rugers are good guns. But, I carry 1911s. There's a reason for that.

You take care, sir.

Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

I *think* you will find that the repo is faithful to your original. It's not an exact copy, but it's pretty close. The ones I have seen are better fit that the rest of the Colts in my collection.

Bob

[TattooPaul]

Mick, you'll absolutely love it when you see it in person for the first time. That bluing is something to behold. You'll find it quite true to your "First Lady" with some very minor exceptions and that fit and finish is a work of machinist's art. Congrats, buddy - I'm happy for ya!!! _Paul

p.s. It's a HOOT to shoot!!!

[larry starling]

Great news Mick.....

[pa_guns]

Hi

Is it there yet?

Is it there yet?

Is it Saturday yet?

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

...and sharing my good fortune with me... It really adds to the experience, the joy. Few folks I know in real time... really understand the appeal of the 1911 platform, not the real appeal of it--outside legends and movies and what not--in general, and especially for very special ones like so many of us have. Like my USGI 1911, or her great-grandaughter, the O1911 WWI Reproduction Model! I had to take a fuel delievery today at work; we are short-handed this week, and somehow the driver got to talking to me about the Second Amendment, Texas CHLs, and... 1911s and .45ACP. HE appreciated a beautiful Colt, especially the two above, although he is a Kimber kinda guy.

Y'all are so good to share my happiness, and I love sharing your new acquisitions with you. Hopefully it will be here by Saturday, as Bob said... I may not get to shoot it for a week or two; but, you can bet you'll see some more photos of one, alongside her great-grandmother! It will be, for me, a full circle: from the original 1911 to the 2006/7 1911 Repro Model.

I doesn't get much better than this, in one lifetime...

Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

It will be interesting to see what your serial number is. The ones coming into PA have all been pretty close together.

Bob

[Barry in IN]

What's the least invasive thing you can do to the sights? The front sight is Carbona blued as is the rear sight. A black or normal blued part may look a bit odd ....

I would think the least invasive would be the King's Hardball sights. They are mostly like larger versions of the originals. The old rear is drifted out and the new one in, but the new front needs staked- which is no big thing for a gunsmith, or for you if you have the staker.

I got my WWI Repro used, and the prior owner had installed those sights on it. I'm glad he did because I would have agonized over changing them myself and may never have gotten to it. Besides, it brought the price down to where I could get it.

You may want to re-contour them some, since they are pretty squared-off as they come. I rounded the corners of my rear sight so it looked more like the original, but left the front as a "modified ramp".

As far as the color matching the bluing- I never thought about it before, so I guess it's not that far off. I only have one close-up picture of the area and it's not in focus, but I'll post it anyway in case it helps at all:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c240/ColtsR4Football/IMG_1992.jpg

[OD*]

That doesn't look bad at all Barry, got pic of the front sight?

[TattooPaul]

Gotta be easier to sight than those thin originals!!! It's cool that it dropped the price for you, too...

[Hawkmoon]

Another possibility to replace the original sights on the WW1 would be the standard Colt "high profile" sights available through Brownells. These are the same sights used on Colt's current 1991 and (I think) Series 70 pistols. The rear fits the standard GI dovetail with no modifications. They come with white dots, which you can either keep, or black out with a tiny drop of black paint.

The new Colt front sight is a wide tenon, which might be more of a problem on the WW1 because it probably has a narrow tenon. Ed Brown offers some fronts with a narrow tenon. They are too tall to work correctly with the Colt high profile rear, but if you get the one that DOESN'T have a white dot, you can file it to the height that works for you and cold blue it.

[Barry in IN]

That doesn't look bad at all Barry, got pic of the front sight?
No close-up, but here's a pic of the whole gun that gives the general idea of it's shape. I don't know if you can see much due to the size of the pic. It looks like the sight was dirty also.
It looks a lot like the Colt sight that Hawkmoon mentioned (same thing?).
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c240/ColtsR4Football/IMG_1995.jpg

Just a tip if one goes this direction (if my gun is any example)-
I'd be careful NOT to get a front sight with a white dot or the "dot hole" because I had to file mine down quite a bit and it's right down to the dot hole.
As Hawkmoon said, there are the Colt sights, plus Brown has several options, and King's has a few styles of staked front sight also- so there are plenty out there to pick from. One of these days, maybe I'll get a dot-less serrated front sight for mine.

[OD*]

Thanks Barry, that really doesn't look bad at all.

[TattooPaul]

Hi Barry, looks like a nice option to the original thin blade sights. It looks very much like the sights on Commanders and many of the .38 Supers I have seen. While I will endure the thin originals on mine you present a very viable option for easier sighting that retains a nice look. Well done!!! _Paul

[pa_guns]

Hi

Lots of choices on sights.

I'd like to find a front that is fairly close in shape to the original. I suppose I could grind one down, but that seems like more trouble than you should have to go to.

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

Bob.............put down the dremel and step away from the Colt! ;)

[pa_guns]

Bob.............put down the dremel and step away from the Colt! ;)

Hi

But these cutting disks running at full speed will do almost anything !!!

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

Trust me on this Bob..........you don't want to touch any of your Colt's with those spinning thingys. ;)

[Mick_In_Texas]

Had forgotten about it. It's a complete one, all the little grinders and routers and whatnot from my teenaged model-building days... hmmm...

SERIOUSLY, though, folks: I don't think I'd touch a firearm with it, LOL!!! Sights or no sights...

Barry, that one is a beauty. A comment on the OEM sights on my 38 Super Govt and 1991: I don't know what it is about the Colt's three-dot combats, but they are very similar in appearance to all the three-dots I've ever seen or have, yet, they are BETTER in some way. I don't know what it is, it's like something small they do with theirs make a BIG difference on the range, and to my eye... Because of the recent hand injury and then lack of time, I've never shot my 1991; but that time I shot my 38 the first time... WoW, it was WAY easier to use those than on my Mil-Spec, P90, PT92AF, or GP100... I haven't looked as I'm exhausted lately, but, I'm sure the modern three-dots are longer, if not wider, than the old military specification minimals. The 1911 is such a good point-and-shoot sidearm, like nothing I've ever had, held, or shot; but for those who want to modify the O1911--like the former owner of yours, Barry--small changes, it seems to me can make a big difference, sometimes. Yours look GOOD. That's a beautiful 1911, modern or not!

Mine actually arrived at Eddie's over on the Bryan/College Station line today!!! I believe mine will be left AS IS, forever!!! I won't be able to get over there until Saturday, but, then, y'all better beware: photos, photos, photos... El Commandante forgive me, sir, when they come...

Perhaps Joni Lynn and Bob would like me to post photos of my "vintage" Dremel MotoTool, as well? Late 60s model, you see, still works for what little I use it... 'course, my latest favorite toy outside of my pistols is my camoflauged-pattern cordless drill! I LOVE IT! My dad gave it to me for Christmas... for whatever reason, he has about 4 or 5 cordless drills, the ol' active outfit, at almost 88, but I thank my power that be for this... I didn't get around to using it until this month, and so far I've used it to fix my cheap home workstation and drill drainage holes in a plastic patio chair, just in time for the MASSIVE rains the past two days. I guess on the chair, I coulda used my Dremel tool...

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Bob.............put down the dremel and step away from the Colt! ;)

I can just see in my mind, this on an episode of "Colt Cops": quote above, as our beloved pa leans over a Colt's O1911 WWI Repro Model, Dremel MotoTool a-buzzin', feverishly eyeing new recently fitted replacement sights... Joni Lynn, wearing Colt's Cop uniform... "Bob..."

:lh:

Mick

[Barry in IN]

Thanks, Mick. The sights are a compromise- Close enough to the way it came that I can enjoy looking at it, but big enough that I can enjoy shooting the thing. I can make myself believe that someone could have installed something similar decades and decades ago.

Dremel? Dremel!!!
I can't recall for certain who it was (it may have been pistolsmith Alex Hamilton of Ten-Ring Precision) who said there should be $200 transfer tax on every Dremel tool sold. I always liked that one.

I think all I use mine for is routing out rifle stocks for glass bedding and sharpening lawnmower blades.

[Joni Lynn]

Touch a Colt with a dremel and the gun gremlins will replace all your Colt's with 1911's by Mattel!

[dakota1911]

I like this idea. Yes it was the sights and nothing but the sights. With better sights there would have been one little hole.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e193/dakota1911/ww1_repro2r.jpg

[Mick_In_Texas]

I like this idea. Yes it was the sights and nothing but the sights. With better sights there would have been one little hole.


I have heard they are beautiful. Reckon I will find out Saturday. Of course, the OEM sights are the minimal military spec ones, just like my First Lady Colt's 1911 from 1918. The range and targets are one thing; defense and combat, another. Since we civilians have a choice and options, some like something a lot better. Still, I maintain that the 1911 platform will work finger point and shoot in a real bind, out to 30 yds. Depends on what "target" you are shooting.

You've got a beauty there, Sir! Looks like you did good... my 38 Super Colt's, out of the box, put at least 5 of 9 into a "little bitty hole": it wasn't over an inch and a half in diameter, if that. That's at 25 yds. Especially considering the situation at the range that day--my eyes, guys on either side of me on the parallel lanes, NOT spaced empty/occupied--that was EXCELLENT. I am so looking forward to not only picking up my 1911 WWI Repro, but shooting it, as well.

I wish Colt's would make them regular production, even if they had to go with Colt's blued: my 1991 has a beautiful blued finish, production line, and it's a tight, well-made gun, as is my 38 Super Govt. Over time, I'm slowly becoming a "Colt's Guy". I've had no real probs with my current 3, including my USGI from 1918. And they were the original mfgr for JMB's 1905, 1910, and 1911 pistols. I just really LOVE the O1911, and I thank my power that be that I've managed to GET ONE.

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

If Colt made them regular production and the build quality stayed the same, I might consider one with modern sights and in hard chrome. .......I know..........sick thing to do to a WW1, but if it had regular blueing it wouldn't bother me to turn it into a super nice carry gun. The grip safety on mine hits me much less than the standard ones do.

[pa_guns]

I know..........sick thing to do to a WW1, but if it had regular blueing it wouldn't bother me to turn it into a super nice carry gun. The grip safety on mine hits me much less than the standard ones do.

Hi

The more I shoot the WWI the more I'm convinced that the whole design has just gone down hill since the Army started "tinkering" after 1918. If I do any building I may be looking for WWI style parts.

I do own several Dremmel tools (I seem to get them as gifts). I also own a Fordom tool, it's a lot better alternative if you are working on a pistol. A hand file is still my preferred tool though.

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

When I need to work on the metal parts of guns I go slowly, using stones, files or paper. (always have a chainsaw in reserve)

[pa_guns]

Hi

One thing I gotta ask:

Mick - Is it Saturday yet ??????


Bob

[Joni Lynn]

;) Bob, you're just a bit incorrigible.
But that's part of why we all like you. (right?) ;)

[Mick_In_Texas]

Joni, yes, ma'am, ALWAYS go slowly, working on a gun. And I agree with you: if Colt's would make the 1911 Repro, regular production... it would not feel so "rare" to modify one for a personal carry weapon. Or "strange". Me, I carry full-size (Govt, 5" barrels, whatever) 1911A1s, and have no prob with the barrel/length, although from folks here, I may consider a 4" in the distant future, factory OEM. I love everyone's guns, here, regardless of whether I'd personally want one. With the platform, one of the most versatile and effective ones ever designed, to me, it's ALL good. I have several now, and they are what I like; you folks have many, and they are what y'all like. Again, it's ALL good with the platform.

I'd love to even have a Kimber Raptor or a Brown Kobra, if I had the money... just for the tooling, if nothing else; but, I'd expect it to WORK. I feel we all love the original 1911 from 1911/1912 and up through 1919; and I'm blessed to have not only the variants, but an original 1918 Colt's 1911 USGI. I love it. That's why I'm so excited about having got an O1911 from Colt's: it will be shot, and it will be carried, and if it is reliable and functional, it may become my primary carry weapon, as I LOVE the ejection port, the long trigger, the lack of half-moon cutouts behind the trigger on the frame, the perfectly vertical slide grips, the flat MSH... that is just my personal preference, as I believe JMB got it right in 1911. The sights? I can function both defensively and target/range with the minimals, so far.

But, these are my preferences. One thing I LOVE about the platform, is the fact that it is still obviously very viable in an age of "plastic" guns, ergonomics, whatever, and that there are many "tweaks" that individuals can add to their 1911/A1s to personalize them. I like mine basic, meat and potatoes; but I do so appreciate and cherish all y'all's preferences and variants. I feel a 1911 platform is a 1911 platform, and there is NO pistol that is more able to be "tweaked" to an individual's personal preferences. That is BEAUTIFUL TO ME. Whether I personally want a tweaked one or not. I truly feel that the folks here who love the high-ends, or the modifications, are every bit as wonderful as those of us who love the basic ones. It is a versatile, functional, wonderful, amazing, and fully contemporary platform. I LOVE it.

My 1911 Repro will remain box-stock. But I love Barry's, and a man or woman has the right to modify a 1911 to their shooting habits and preferences. And it's all beautiful. Best dang handgun ever designed, to me, and these are many of the reasons WHY.

Love you folks.
Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

When I pick up a 1911 it just feels *right*. I have shot so many tens of thousands of rounds through one that I'm not sure if it's better or just what I'm used to.

When my kid or my wife picks up a 1911 it feels right to them. Neither one has shot as much as I have, and their shooting has been with a wide variety of pistols.

Something about the JMB design just plain *fits*.

The same way that a 1911 feels right, the WWI feels even more right....

You're going to love this pistol ....

Bob

[Hawkmoon]

Just a tip if one goes this direction (if my gun is any example)-
I'd be careful NOT to get a front sight with a white dot or the "dot hole" because I had to file mine down quite a bit and it's right down to the dot hole.
That's exactly what I encountered using a Colt high profile rear sight and an Ed Brown front sight. Mine have the white dots, and I had to file the front right down to the top of the dot to bring point of impact up to point of aim. Definitely go with the all-black front sight if you use the Ed Brown front sights with the Colt rear sight.

[Hawkmoon]

I wish Colt's would make them regular production, even if they had to go with Colt's blued: my 1991 has a beautiful blued finish, production line, and it's a tight, well-made gun, as is my 38 Super Govt.
If they were to do so, it would be a massive betrayal of everyone who has bought one.

When Colt announced the WW1 reissue model, they stated/promised that production would be limited to 4,000 pistols. That's the same thing they did with the earlier WW2 reissue, and they stood by their promise on that one. If they were to now decide to just start churning out WW1 models, it would make them out to be corporate liars.

If you want a production 1911 Colt, you can buy a new Series 70 ... and even those are Custom Shop products. But they aren't limited production, and were never promised to be, so you can buy all you want.

[Duck]

Congrats, Mick! You got my pistol, though! I had emailed AJC as they have those advertised on Gunsamerica for 850. By the time we corresponded a couple of times, they were sold out...you probably got the last one! Each time you look at it, know that you got my first Colt :p They said they are looking for more and will email me when/if they get some in.
I don't know if I can wait that long :D I may have to pony (pun intended) up a few more bucks and get one from another dealer. I want to treat myself to a nice B-day present this month ;) Since Joni turned me down and I'm still single, I have to buy my own present :p JK, Joni!
Be sure to post pics this Sat when you pick it up!

[pa_guns]

Since Joni turned me down and I'm still single, I have to buy my own present :

Hi

If Joni had accepted you'd have a WWI in the deal as well. :D :D

The rumor is that every single WWI has already been sold by Colt to the distributors. As they roll off the line they head out to who ever booked the order how ever long ago.

With about 60 or so going out a month that probably means that no distributor is getting more than five or ten at a time. They will have them and then not. That's what makes it a "jump on it when you see it" sort of item.

Big gun show this weekend ....

Bob

[clughog]

If they were to do so, it would be a massive betrayal of everyone who has bought one.

When Colt announced the WW1 reissue model, they stated/promised that production would be limited to 4,000 pistols. That's the same thing they did with the earlier WW2 reissue, and they stood by their promise on that one. If they were to now decide to just start churning out WW1 models, it would make them out to be corporate liars.

If you want a production 1911 Colt, you can buy a new Series 70 ... and even those are Custom Shop products. But they aren't limited production, and were never promised to be, so you can buy all you want.You said it, Mr. Hawkmoon! The Series 70 Reproduction is a fantastic "basic" Colt, in my opinion...and you can always change out the arched MSH for a flat one. The fact that the WWI is limited production is part of what intrigues me about the pistol... the same reason I wanted the WWII Reproduction. Incidentally, Colt told me that the WWII run never reached its limit before demand dried up, so there were less than 4,000 issued. Makes it even more special to me!

[pa_guns]

Hi

Tough to put the trigger finger cutouts back on a Series 70 :D :D :D

Bob

[TattooPaul]

Hi

Tough to put the trigger finger cutouts back on a Series 70 :D :D :D

Bob


I can weld, if you've got a mill!!! (yeah, that'd look good... wouldn't hurt the frame to take that heat either... :D )

[pa_guns]

Hi

Maybe a little JB Weld and a file ....

Bob

[Barry in IN]

JB- Now there's something I have plenty of!

[Mick_In_Texas]

Trying to cover you all in one post, here...

Hawkmoon, I now see what you're saying: like Pa, of ALL my 1911-platforms, I love the feel and the look and the function of First Lady, my USGI from 1918. She is a dream come true; and I am still excited that I own her, after over a year now of having had her... but, with her, actually before I got her and the reason I wanted an original, is that to me, the military 1911 from 1911-1918 is THE original JMB 1911 design. I will never carry her, and will not shoot her much; the lust for the O1911 was to have a modern-production 1911 vs 1911A1, and while my two modern Colts and my RIA have the flat MSH, there are those frame cutouts behind the trigger... and that ejection port, while my Springers, came with the arched MSHs (and ILSs and those odd little firing pins), Mil with lowered ejection port, GI with original ejection port, Mil, slanted slide grips... But, since the WWI Repro was advertised as a limited edition, as you say, then yes: to put them in production would be a betrayal. I wasn't thinking of that so much as a modern, carryable, shootable 1911 period, call it, vs. variants on the 1911A1. As pa says, either way, the PLATFORM is just the best to me personally; the variations between the 1911 and 1911A1 are somewhat cosmetic, but, like pa, STILL... there's something about the "original" design from original production. First Lady is my ideal 1911-platform pistol. The O1911, is a shootable, though very special, modern version of her, great-grandaughter, as I call it...

The Series 70 Repro, though, Hawkmoon, I'll look at. MSH changes are very easy, IF you have a MultiTool or some simple tools. While I'm thinking of going to arched on my GI45 (OEM) or RIA (Ed Brown), I still prefer the flat.

Duck, truth be told, I almost lost mine! I didn't understand their FFL requirements. I followed up on it Monday; I barely got Eddie to fax one to them before they turned me down. That said, sir, I SO hope you can get you one, even though I haven't seen mine yet. Saturday's a-coming. I will say, if you wish to do biz with them, they're good to work with. Talk to Linda in Accounts Receivable. You WILL need to obtain a copy of your FFL's current license to send with your order, that much I can tell you. Linda was very helpful to me Monday, more so than the gentleman on the counter, in re: getting everything straight with them to manage to get the thing. I paid $899 for mine from them, a week before, they were $849. Less tax and shipping. I've seen some on GunBroker.Com, but, they've got reserves on them, and I got up to $1200.00 one night, and still didn't hit the reserve. As Hawkmoon said, they're limited production. In fact, AJC didn't have any until last Friday afternoon, although they'd earmarked my order that they received Tuesday of last week... Sir, sincerely: GOOD LUCK. I didn't find any online at stores, and I looked and looked one night, I wish I could help you there, but, AJC was the only place I found that was listing them. If there's a Gander Mountain near you, I've heard some good things here about them in GENERAL; don't know about the O1911.

TattooPaul, my bro, answer your e-mail tonight or tomorrow, but yes, this one is a beauty of a gun. I've really been impressed with my two modern Colts, the bluing on my O1991 is just beautiful, there's something subconsciously different about it compared to my Taurus and my GP100, it just "feels" and "looks" different, even though those two have nice finishes as well. I know the Carbona Blue is sent out, not done at Colt's PT FA Mfg Inc; I'm anxious to just see that. When Eddie called me yesterday, he's a really good guy, I told him to LOOK at that 1911... he's a big 1911-platform fan, and his are Colt's as well. He sure got a thrill out of First Lady last year; he'd never seen an original 1911. Neither had Charlie, my retired gunsmith buddy up around my dad's neck of the woods. She's been a real conversation piece in Texas... LOL... the fact that she's in great shape and STILL WORKS has amazed some folks here. I was extremely, astoundingly LUCKY and BLESSED to get her for what I did.

JMB just got it right on his military pistol. Amazing. The man was amazing. I am astounding at all the modern designs, that are still in production, that he designed... he could design 'em, he could make 'em, and he shot 'em. I think that is why the 1911 endures. It ain't just the history or the legend; it's because the dang thing works and is viable in the 21st century. People are just totally impressed with my preference in a pistol and caliber, from LEOs to casual "observers", to folks on the indoor range. To each their own; but, I know what works for ME, and give me a 1911 in .45ACP (or occasionally, .38 Super... )...

Thank y'all for sharing my happiness. Thank y'all for sharing your 1911s. Yes, you WILL see photos this weekend, and I'm SURE going to try to do a better job than in the past for y'all...

Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

Is it Saturday yet? :D :D :D :D

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

Is it Saturday yet? :D :D :D :D

Bob

Been working overtime; can't get to Eddie's on the lunch hour, gotta wait 'til Saturday. But once I get back home with my O1911, gonna try to sneak it out on the patio in natural light, along with First Lady, to get y'all some GOOD photos. Still traveling for biz this month, two more trips, getting old, but maybe get to the range with it this month, as well, give y'all a report. We'll see.

I just love the 1918 version of JMB's 1911, of course, having an actual one. Hee hee, hope Eddie's had a good time with my Col'ts O1911. Less than 48 hours, Sir...

Mick

[clughog]

Hi

Tough to put the trigger finger cutouts back on a Series 70 :D :D :D

BobYeah, Bob...but I LIKE the cutouts better! Forget the J.B.Weld...just put some Bondo or some Qualco Muffler Weld on it, if you just HAVE to fill in the cutouts. :p

[TattooPaul]

ROCK ON, Mick!!! I share your feelings on the 1911 and Colt's in particular. There IS a difference!! _Paul

[paul45]

The rumor is that every single WWI has already been sold by Colt to the distributors.
Interesting rumor.....Where did you hear that one?

[pa_guns]

Interesting rumor.....Where did you hear that one?

Hi

Heard it from somebody who heard it from Colt. It's pretty believable. They run out of them this year and most of that kind of thing gets booked on some kind of yearly buy.

Bob

[auto45]

I believe it.

I'd bet every firearm they produce is "ordered" by a wholesaler prior to production.

They should keep one of a 'series' of historic 1911s in production at all times IMHO.
Just change the rollmarks... ;) .

[pa_guns]

They should keep one of a 'series' of historic 1911s in production at all times

Hi

There's nobody else who can put a Colt roll mark on a historic replica. That gives them a natural leg up in the market. They would be crazy to stop making them.

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

I had the opportunity to handle the USFA 1911 replica and I prefer the Colt. The USFA was very nice, but it's not a Colt and the grips didn't fit the frame correctly. (It's also much more expensive)

[pa_guns]

Hi

I think that Colt is uniquely positioned in terms of manufacturing, marketing, and design to make a lot of money on re-issues / replicas.

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

I agree.......something like the original National Match, a replica series 70 or pre 70 Gold Cup would be nice.

[pa_guns]

Hi

Original National Match - interesting idea. 1932 maybe? I forget who did what back when.

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

I'd certainly buy one, two if they'd do it in 45 & 38 Super.

[pa_guns]

I'd certainly buy one, two if they'd do it in 45 & 38 Super.

Hi

There's one I never thought of - original issue 38 Super ....

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

I'm nothing if not original ;) LOL

[pa_guns]

Hi

Of course there's always a matched set with a 1930's NM 22 and a NM 45 in it.

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

I have enough 22's, I'd never use it if I had it. The 45's get my attention and maybe a 38 Super.

[pa_guns]

Hi

There's a pre-WWII set that somebody here has in an absolutely beautiful presentation case. I think it's an amazing thing.

Bob

[Barry in IN]

Hi

There's one I never thought of - original issue 38 Super ....

Bob

The first thing I thought when I saw a WWI Repro was "Wouldn't it be neat if they would Repro a 1929-ish Super 38?" Taking it a step (or two) farther would be a serial number prefix like "JEH" (J. Edgar Hoover) or EN (Elliot Ness). Might as well wish for a choice of nickel or polished blue while I'm at it.

[Bud White]

Aint ya got it yet Mick?

[pa_guns]

Hi

Excellent point.

It's gotta be Saturday *somewhere* by now !!!!

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

The first thing I thought when I saw a WWI Repro was "Wouldn't it be neat if they would Repro a 1929-ish Super 38?" Taking it a step (or two) farther would be a serial number prefix like "JEH" (J. Edgar Hoover) or EN (Elliot Ness). Might as well wish for a choice of nickel or polished blue while I'm at it.

Barry, NICE thinking here, sir. I haven't shot my 38 Super Govt that much, but, boy oh boy, what a lovely gun and round! I think I'd almost go for a Colt's Repro Model of their original .38 Super Model in the full-size, no firing pin block model... likle you say too, NICKEL PLATE or polished blue. I think my O1991 is polished: I looked at it last night, in better light, and it IS definitely different than my other three blued firearms... Taurus, Ruger, Mossberg. 'Course my 38 Super is an A1 except for Colt's flat MSH and that Series 80 firing pin block... I reckon when the FBI or whoever requested the chambering back in the late 20s, the "originals" were 1911s, not 1911A1s... Or is that around the time when the pistol shooting organizations were requesting the lowered ejection port?

While the .38 Super isn't just madly popular, I hear around here on the Forum that it's gaining popularity for IPSC (or A) shooting, and while I'm primarily a .45 kinda guy... I think I like .38 Super better than 9mm, .357 Mag, or .38 Special. While I almost bought a used Browning Hi-Power from AJC when I was trying to get my WWI Repro from them, and while the 9mm is a very commonly used sidearm round world-wide... that .38 Super is just an impressive round. 'Course, a Colt's is the only thing I've ever shot one from, too. I think, really, it's a combination of both the round and that particular pistol. But, heck, the talk of a Repro NM in .22LR... why not a Repro of the "original" .38 Super Government size, from the late 20's? That round, in the Colt's 1911 platform, also has a rich history in American firearms development...

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Aint ya got it yet Mick?

...that I have it in my possession; but, I KNOW it's in Eddie's shop here in the Brazos Valley! Actually after all the rushing around with AJC and Eddie--and he was wonderful--on Monday, he got it Wednesday morning. Been real short-handed this week, putting in overtime to cover for absent folks and keep up (sort of) with my OWN work as well, and he's almost into College Station, long ways from work on a lunch half-hour. But, TOMORROW by this time... life continuing normally... I WILL HAVE HER, SIR.

Hope to get her over here by mid-afternoon, so the first round of photos can be shot outside. ALMOST as excited about this one, as I was her great-grandmother, First Lady. I am very fortunate to have gotten this.

Hee hee, so, I have it, but I don't. There you go! Eddie wants me to bring First Lady with me, tomorrow, so he and I can compare them... he gets almost as excited about the ones I'm having him transfer, as I do.

Mick
:lh:

[Bud White]

Well enjoy it tomm go out and shoot it for me ill be at work

Blah

[pa_guns]

Hi

Certainly do not be bashful about going out and shooting them. They both should be a lot of fun.

Bob

[paul45]

the "originals" were 1911s, not 1911A1s...
That is incorrect, I believe. They were 1911A1's. Also, I think this thread should get an award for the most posts about buying a Colt.....but not actually having it yet!

[larry starling]

That is incorrect, I believe. They were 1911A1's. Also, I think this thread should get an award for the most posts about buying a Colt.....but not actually having it yet!
I believe you are correct paul. All the pictures I have seen show them on 1911a1 frames.1927???....OD?

[pa_guns]

Hi

Since the 38 supers were Commercial Colts from the pre WWII era technically they were neither 1911's or 1911A1's. :D :D :D :D

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

That is incorrect, I believe. They were 1911A1's. Also, I think this thread should get an award for the most posts about buying a Colt.....but not actually having it yet!

I was thinking I'd hear from some of you old timers and more experienced folks on the actual platform of the original .38 Supers. I agree with you. They were introduced I believe, around the time when Colt's was looking at modifications to the original 1911 design; that's the reason I mentioned it... I need to get a Clawson's Third Edition, really. I'm glad you reminded me, Sir!

Hee hee hee, AMEN: I'm so glad to have gotten my O1911, but, yeah... wonder if Mark from Colt's is viewing this thread? LoL... You take care, Sir.

Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

Once you get a copy of Clawson - remember where you put it. :butthead: :butthead: :butthead:

I tell you this because buying a second copy because you can't find the first is nowhere near as exciting as buying another 1911 ....

Bob

[paul45]

Hi

Since the 38 supers were Commercial Colts from the pre WWII era technically they were neither 1911's or 1911A1's. :D :D :D :D

Bob
Interesting.....The blue book denotes 1911 Commercials from 1912 to 1925.......1911A1 Commercials from 1946 to 1969.
Tell me where you got your info from so I can check it out! Thanks

[pa_guns]

Interesting.....The blue book denotes 1911 Commercials from 1912 to 1925.......1911A1 Commercials from 1946 to 1969.
Tell me where you got your info from so I can check it out! Thanks


Hi

I do believe it's in the copy of Clawson that I can't find ...

Bob

[Barry in IN]

Also, I think this thread should get an award for the most posts about buying a Colt.....but not actually having it yet!

Kinda creepy that I was thinking the same thing when I saw we passed 100 posts without a gun!

[pa_guns]

Hi

So we have about 15 hours to get it to 200 posts :D :D :D

Bob

[OD*]

when the FBI or whoever requested the chambering back in the late 20s, the "originals" were 1911s, not 1911A1s... Or is that around the time when the pistol shooting organizations were requesting the lowered ejection port?
Again Mick, the FBI could not even carry sidearms until 1934, the Super .38 ACP was introduced in 1929. The Super .38s were Commercial Models based on the 1911A1 pistol, lowered ejection ports were not seen until the 1980s on production model Colt's, combat shooters were having it done at least by the 1960s.

1911 vs 1911A1
The mainspring housing was arched and checkered. The grip safety tang was extended. Beveled cuts were machined into the frame, behind the trigger, the trigger itself was shorten and its face was checkered. The front and rear sights were widened. Production of the improved pistol began on 23 January 1924, the designation of the pistol was changed to Improved Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, Model of 1911. On 20 May, 1926, the pistol was officially renamed "M1911A1."

[Elmo C]

Hey Mick
You have Coltitis,and there is no cure for it. Hunter has a salve he smears on his body to help with the pain. Its called Gunbutter. :lh:

[TattooPaul]

There are so many potential reintro's with Colt. I will be persuing a pre-war .38 Super after the '43 A1 is paid down (oh yeah, I still gotta pay for that dang furnace!!!). The Supers and the Nat. Matches would be sweet indeed!

[OD*]

I will be persuing a pre-war .38 Super
Take lots-o-money. ;)

[TattooPaul]

I've noticed!!! That's why I'm studying up in the meantime as well. I've seen some beauties but rarely, if ever and if worth a second look, do they have only 4 digits in the price... No rush, but someday....

[paul45]

I've noticed!!! That's why I'm studying up in the meantime as well. I've seen some beauties but rarely, if ever and if worth a second look, do they have only 4 digits in the price... No rush, but someday....Even post wars are out of most peoples reach.....
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=67797717

[OD*]

Oh my, ain't that beautiful!

[Joni Lynn]

Quite nice........it's easy to see why they bring a good price isn't it?

[Joni Lynn]

Well it's Saturday morning...................do we know where Mick is in relation to his WW1?

[Bud White]

Yeah thats what i wanna know to

Home sick today so still no shooting

[TattooPaul]

Even post wars are out of most peoples reach.....
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=67797717

Yeah, I have seen that one... They sure do look nice but it'll be a long time before I could grab something like that (let alone a pre-war...) They are fun to look at though!

[Barry in IN]

They called here today, asking if I would come pick it up for Mick.
I told them he was too busy working overtime to get any use out of it, so just send it back where it came from, and leave him alone about such foolishness.

I hope that was OK.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Again Mick, the FBI could not even carry sidearms until 1934, the Super .38 ACP was introduced in 1929. The Super .38s were Commercial Models based on the 1911A1 pistol, lowered ejection ports were not seen until the 1980s on production model Colt's, combat shooters were having it done at least by the 1960s.

1911 vs 1911A1
The mainspring housing was arched and checkered. The grip safety tang was extended. Beveled cuts were machined into the frame, behind the trigger, the trigger itself was shorten and its face was checkered. The front and rear sights were widened. Production of the improved pistol began on 23 January 1924, the designation of the pistol was changed to Improved Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, Model of 1911. On 20 May, 1926, the pistol was officially renamed "M1911A1."

Where do you learn this stuff? It's fascinating, and thank you... from y'all, I suspected that the "A1 improvements" were being introduced in the mid- to late-20s... thanks too the clarification of the actual name/physical changes, and on the .38 Super. OD, you're a WEALTH of information, and thank you for so freely sharing with us!!! Especially like the info on the ejection port...

'Course, I love the original design... and...

I'll save that for my next post! This, though, was worth a comment and much thanks.

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

They called here today, asking if I would come pick it up for Mick.
I told them he was too busy working overtime to get any use out of it, so just send it back where it came from, and leave him alone about such foolishness.

I hope that was OK.

I totally agree with you. What foolishness. It is simply an incredibly beautiful, well-kept, extremely cared for, very rare, beautiful example of a Colt's .38 Super, definitely an -A1 style, who on earth could possibly want such a thing????

NOT!!! LoL!!!

You guys and gals, I love y'all. Yes, I think I've caught Coltitis, and I was actually looking at Gunbutter last night, although I was thinking of it more for use on my guns than as a salve for the condition Coltitis Supremus... while I love all my guns, seems lately I'm messing with my Colts more... that 38 Super Govt having been to the range and ridden around the Brazos Valley once, GASP, and it's not even a .45, although NOW... NOW...

See next one.

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Well it's Saturday morning...................do we know where Mick is in relation to his WW1?

Well. What started this thread and it's a good one... IS HERE.

It is BEAUTIFUL. Eddie was at a bow turkey shoot when I went to pick it up; I took her great-grandmother with me, and they are very, very close, you can sure see the "genes"!!! My pictures are just terrible, I've got to work on these today and tomorrow, because with me, y'all have the opportunity to COMPARE the O1911 with a 1918-manufacture Colt's USGI. Here's what was worth showing, sort of, so far:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/b294d6e5.jpg
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http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/4376c6c5.jpg
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http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/6e4dc156.jpg

These don't do it justice. ALL the ones with the two side by side, are terrible. I don't know what I did. But, you are my friends and you share this interest, and it IS very different to have both the 1911 WWI Repro, AND a Colt's 1918 USGI 1911, so, I am bound and determined to get something presentable for us.

Observations verbally:
The slide is just a bit wider than the USGI. The frame appears identical. The hammers are almost exact twins; the tangs on the frame that hold the grip safety pins, are slightly different, the modern ones a hair "higher" than the originals, although the grip safety appears identical on both. Triggers, appear identical from the outside. Thumb safety, modern, straight line serrations; original, checkered. Slide stop, appears identical, both; checkered and checkered. Magazines, near identical, NO stamps of any kind. Sights, identical; the little stamped "line" in front of the rear sight, on the modern is about twice as long as the USGI's. The "armory" stamp behind the trigger on the frame, O1911, is a "JM" blended together, in a large "G", the "Major John M Gilbert/Colt 1911 Frames" hallmark; my USGI, has the "S5 Eagle's Head", which is actually a Springfield mark, for "1911" frames, generic? The Rampant Colt, modern, behind the slide grips; USGI, between the patent rollmarks. Rollmarks, different "font" than USGI; as y'all know, appear stamped and not smooth, as on USGI. Barrel bushing, barrels same; recoil spring cap, slightly different checkering on new, but very similar. Of course, magwell cutouts on new, rectangular, on USGI, the famous "heart shaped cutouts". Grips, seem to be faithful repros of originals. Lanyard loops and MSHs seem identical. Barrel stampings: New, the P and H, USGI, hard to see, and the new, has the caliber markings right in the ejection port area, very subtle but there, the USGI doesn't. VERY VERY close to the original.

These are just beauties. Beauties. My new seems to be a little more hefty in weight, prob due to the subtle wider slide (thickness on sides). Finish and fit on mine, BEAUTIFULLY DONE! Hammer seems perfectly aligned. Barrel bushing fit good, maching on dust cover/recoil spring excellent.

Folks, I'M THRILLED. THRILLED. Thank y'all for helping get this. I promise better photos and comparison photos, I'm just nervous maybe.

These are beautiful Colt's's. Beautiful, and oh, BTW: S/N 4667WMK.

Mick

[d90king]

Thats a beautiful gun! I hope you enjoy shooting it :D . You will have to give us a range report, I am sure that Bob will be waiting. Speaking of Bob I wonder how he made out at the gunshow?

Enjoy Mick I am sure it was worth the wait ;) .

Patrick

[Joni Lynn]

;) ............what? no range report yet?? ;)

[Joni Lynn]

Congrats Mick!
You're going to love it. If it's anything like mine it's very well made.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Thats a beautiful gun! I hope you enjoy shooting it :D . You will have to give us a range report, I am sure that Bob will be waiting. Speaking of Bob I wonder how he made out at the gunshow?

Enjoy Mick I am sure it was worth the wait ;) .

Patrick

It is a beauty. I'm really impressed with it. Lying side by side with First Lady, my USGI from 1918 production, they're almost identical. The finish is very well done, but, so is the bluing on my 1991... I sure almost missed getting it, Patrick. Had I not followed up on it Monday, and had I not had a wonderful FFL here, I wouldn't have gotten it. Especially not for the price I did.

I may go to the range tomorrow; if not, next weekend. We've got to travel Thu and Fri on biz, then new dang boss coming in Monday week, then have to go to Houston on biz Tue... not looking forward to that, seems all of March has been travel, travel, travel... but, maybe I need to shoot this one. I will be carrying Thu night, for sure. To have a real 1911 to carry... mmmm... Man, I LOVE handling this one, though. She's a beauty of a 45.

But: I'm going to make sure I have the correct "eyes" on the range this time, and I'll get you folks a range report here, with photos. I've seriously been thinking of trying to get a "lease" to go shoot on, from one of the folks who lease to all the deer hunters I work with, so I could play with ammo and what not. The range here is a little leery of SJHPs... I need to fire more than I do.

I am at peace with this one. It's well made, well fitted, well finished. Colt's has done me alright on four, this one included.

Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

Congratulations on the pistol. It looks great. I'm sure you are going to love it. Thanks also for the detailed run down on the two pistol side by side. It's interesting to see just how close they did and did not come.

I wonder what's going on with the distribution process. Your pistol is > 100 past the ones we have been getting here in PA. They must really rush them down to Texas !!!

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

Congrats Mick!
You're going to love it. If it's anything like mine it's very well made.

It's very well made and well fitted. Finish is beautiful. If I can't get to the range tomorrow... although NOW I'm thinking about it... I'm GOING the 25th with this one and my 1991. I'll get y'all a range report. Right now, I'm working on good comparison photos. All my guns are good, but, I think I've got Coltitis Supremus: my Colt's, and I have four now, counting First Lady, are somehow... solid-er, if that's a word, which it probably isn't. They just subtly FEEL different. And I know that First Lady and my 38 Super are fantastic functionally...

I love this WWI Repro. It's almost as much of a dream come true as First Lady was, and is.

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

Ok..........find something to measure with and tell us how wide your smile is right now.
Or.......have someone take a pic of you holding the two 1911's. (smile included of course) ;)
:):)

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

Congratulations on the pistol. It looks great. I'm sure you are going to love it. Thanks also for the detailed run down on the two pistol side by side. It's interesting to see just how close they did and did not come.

I wonder what's going on with the distribution process. Your pistol is > 100 past the ones we have been getting here in PA. They must really rush them down to Texas !!!

Bob

It's a beauty. I'm trying now to get side by side photos. They're REAL close. Casual observation, and I've got them both out here on the bed, hard to tell the diff except for the wear on First Lady.

Don't know about Colt's distribution process, have heard things here on the forum; I am inferring that AJC Sports, only got a shipment Friday a week ago. I knew you'd like the S/N. We really don't have a Colt's dealer here in Aggieland: all my .45s and my .38 Super, have been on-line purchases, including my Springers, as my credit is no good with my local Springer dealer, but is with my VA dealer. I've got a really good FFL here, too. Having a Texas CHL makes my transfers really easy, I don't have to go through a background check with the CHL. God knows I've "passed" background checks with the FBI and Texas DPS, to have the CHL... LOL... I've got more sets of fingerprints on file than some felons, LOL. I ain't a threat to law-abiding folks, that's for sure.

Colt's did a great job on the WWI Repro. I hope to take it to the range within 12 days. Work's kinda busy and changes are a-comin', but, she needs to be shot and I need to learn about her. Same with my 1991. I'd like to have my WWI on my hip Thu night when we have to go to Austin again, but I don't carry anything I haven't "tested".

Reckon this one's it for a while, although OD*'s got the seed in my brain for a Series 70 Repro, as well, on an A1. But, Sir, this WWI Repro... is a real beauty. Bar none. I love this one. She's a dream come true. This one will have to be named, as well as First Lady and Ol' Reliable, my ss Mil-Spec Springer.

Mick

[paul45]

Congratulations......very nice

[pa_guns]

Hi

12 days to shoot it !!!

How are you going to hold out? :D :D :D :D

Bob

[OD*]

Congratulations Mick, that's a fine looking Colt!

[TattooPaul]

Alright Mick! Glad you got 'er finally - it's so true, the pictures just don't do it justice. Congradulations again!!! _Paul

[Bud White]

Looking Good did ya get it out and shoot it yet?

[Barry in IN]

Just have time or a quick note to say-
Congratulations.

I hope you enjoy it. It's nice to be able to shoot a gen-yoo-ine Colt-made WWI-style 1911 without worrying that you'll some way tear up a 90-year-old original.

Thanks for the side by side comparison to your original. Looking forward to hearing more similarities and differences.

Wow, I can sense your happiness all the way here in Indiana!

[Mick_In_Texas]

Looking Good did ya get it out and shoot it yet?

Didn't have a chance today. I'm thinking maybe tomorrow, really, not next weekend... !!!

Y'all, it's beautiful, here are the best I can do for comparison pics with this one and First Lady:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/d69ef245.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/772c7d48.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/c365c6c8.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/0a3f3dd8.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/6cd9c71e.jpg

As I said, they're VERY similar. This thing is a beauty! But yes, I need to find out how she functions, fires. She'll rack 'em through alright. I need to lube her prior, the Colts come out pretty dry, although she has a little more lubrication than my 38 and 1991 had NIB. She is wonderful. I am so thankful I got one of these before they are either gone, or incredibly expensive from private sources. Unlike any of my other 1911s, this one is almost indistinguishable from First Lady, lying here. Thank Colt's for making this one. Amen. It's well done. Very well done.

Mick

[Bud White]

Very nice excellent pics they look aweful close

[Joni Lynn]

Nice pair there Mick! That one should be coming up on a 100th birthday before long.
I like the grip safety on mine. The standard 1911A1 grip safety hurts a bit but this one is no problem. :) I like mine a lot ;)

[Mick_In_Texas]

Nice pair there Mick! That one should be coming up on a 100th birthday before long.
I like the grip safety on mine. The standard 1911A1 grip safety hurts a bit but this one is no problem. :) I like mine a lot ;)

...how close they are, although that was supposed to be Colt's goal in introducing it; they got it pretty much right. There are warnings all over the place about it not having the firing-pin block (being a Colt's "Series 70); that just amazes me, at how such things nowadays are necessary. I guess I'd rather have a Series 80 with a firing-pin block, than the little .38/9mm firing pins in my Springers; but, really, I'd rather have NEITHER. At least First Lady IS original, and my 1911 Repro very, very close... They're almost identical on casual observation, other than the wear on First Lady. She's worn on the outside, perfectly functional on the inside.

Joni, yes, I like everything about the 1911 vs. the 1911A1. I do note, that the grip safeties are different on my modern ones, more of a "tail" on the back, although in my case, no probs there either way. I've got really big hands, but I don't get "hammer bite" or have any probs with the grip safeties either way; I can see how smaller hands could experience probs, there, but seems bigger hands would be more susceptible to hammer bite. Having shot both the arched and the flat MSH versions, I also prefer the flats, which now all of mine have, the Colts being OEM, and the RIA; the Springers being converted. I'm thinking of taking a Springer and maybe my RIA back to/converted to an arched, just to have one or two.

The O1911 is probably my favorite new one by far. To me, Colt's made it like it was designed. Again, I LOVE seeing all the variants folks have here, and each person has a reason for their preferences. I'm NOT going to get to the range today, with my O1911 and O1991; but, definitely next weekend. I'm still going to try to get better comparison pics this week, dang it, I have a unique situation here to lie the two side by side... Bud, glad you could see the similarities. Colt's did a really fine job on my WWI Repro. If I could have only 2, I think First Lady and the Repro (I'm trying to come up with a name for her, I've only named two of mine, First Lady and my Mil-Spec Springer, and the Repro DEFINITELY needs one) would be the two in a crunch. But, I LOVE all my guns. Anymore, I don't want to lose or sell any of them.

I need a long gun. But, I'm also thinking of the Series 70 Repro, and a Commander of Officer's model, with the shorter OEM barrel on the 1911 platform, OEM... Y'all have convinced me that these are viable, functional options... LoL... I'd have to get a new holster, LOL... but, my love for a full-sized has not and will not lessen...

So thankful for this place to share with, both ways... y'all understand. Y'all know. The general population, doesn't really always "get it" about our excitement. Our love of this incredible pistol.

AH: and by the way, especially for OD*, Joni Lynn, Bud, Tom, Tuner1911Johnny, bro Hunter, and other experts... My copy of Clawson's Third Edition is ordered and on the way! They're getting hard to get, but I found a new one.

I am so thankful that I was able to obtain this O1911 at a reasonable price. Transfer was smooth, due to my Texas CHL in good standing... good FFL here... help from AJC Sports. While I know that the WWI Repro is a limited edition, and not easy to come by, I so wish everyone I know here, man and woman, could get them one. This thing is a beauty, somewhat historical in and of itself, as are the original USGIs. To have a REAL WWI 1911 AND the WWI Repro, both Colts, and my 1911 USGI being a 1918 production which the O1911 is based on, is still just astounding to me... And ONLY YOU folks here, can share that astonishment and happiness with me. I mean not to gloat or brag, but to humbly tell y'all that, because it is true. It is an amazing thing to me, since I fell in love with JMB's designs, especially the M1911 in the venerable .45 ACP caliber... I am so thankful that THIS pistol is ALIVE and WELL in the 21st century, as Joni Lynn says, with First Lady close to 90 years old and still functional as a reliable, defensive handgun... with all the designs and developments in the 20th century, and the current one... I thank Colt's for introducing the Repro of the WWI. The heft, the feel, the fit and finish on ALL my Colts, including First Lady... amazing. I'd almost like to slap the United States military for abandoning this platform and this caliber, although my first pistol was a .380 and my second, and one current, are 9mms... and I advised a co-worker, on a Glock several weeks ago, warning him of th safety issues but telling him they're good pistols and he wants a 9mm, but knows I'm a 1911/.45 man... and a CHL... It's a beautiful, functional, well-designed and effective round and platform. Period.

Mick

[Bud White]

I can go either way on the MSH i do prefer a Arched a tad bit more but cant find one with 30lpi checkering

The clawsons book had to run ya have the cost of that fine pistol ouchy

[Joni Lynn]

I need to buy the Clawson book. I have most all the S&W books, but not much on Colt's.

[pa_guns]

I need to buy the Clawson book. I have most all the S&W books, but not much on Colt's.

Hi

If I get a second one, you can have my first one. It's absolutely guaranteed to show up immediately after the second one shows up in the mail to replace it. :D :D :D

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

I can go either way on the MSH i do prefer a Arched a tad bit more but cant find one with 30lpi checkering

The clawsons book had to run ya have the cost of that fine pistol ouchy

Hee hee, well, got the Clawson's Third, new, for about $95 with shipping. WISH my O1911 had only cost me $200!!! LoL... but, from what I hear here, the $899 direct, is way less than what the same dealer's asking on GunBroker.Com...

I'm looking for you in re: the 30lpi checkering on an arched MSH...

Ed Brown only has 'em in flat with 30lpi. No Wilson Combats, either, all flat. Nothing on Smith & Alexander, all 20s. Nothing at Tripp Research... Checking Midway...

!!! Rock River Arms, has one in blued, Bud:
http://www.rockriverarms.com/catalog-list.cfm?Category=16&Subcat=Pistol+Parts&storeid=1

It's about halfway down the page... I hope this helps you. Says arched, blued, 30lpi. Don't know if you're looking for blued or ss/silver; but, this may help.

Thank you sir for your enthusiasm over my O1911. You're good folks, Bud.

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

If I get a second one, you can have my first one. It's absolutely guaranteed to show up immediately after the second one shows up in the mail to replace it. :D :D :D

Bob

For Clawson's Third, some links for you:
http://www.sightm1911.com/bookstore/bookstore.htm

I found mine on Amazon.Com... one only, new. That is a possibility, y'all. There were some used and other vendors. I hope this helps y'all.

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

I wonder if Bob went back to the gun show and got the Gunsite?
I'd like to find a flat stainless mainspring housing, probably serrated but checkered would be okay also. I'd like it to have a built in lanyard attachment like the one Guncrafter's has in blue.

[Bud White]

Thanks for the links Mick ill check um out

[Mick_In_Texas]

I wonder if Bob went back to the gun show and got the Gunsite?
I'd like to find a flat stainless mainspring housing, probably serrated but checkered would be okay also. I'd like it to have a built in lanyard attachment like the one Guncrafter's has in blue.

... from Ed Brown. Not the hole type, the actual lanyard loop. I haven't used it yet; got it for my GI45, actually, the blued, matches the black Armory Kote black trimmings on the OD Green. You might consider it.

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

Thanks.......I'm had seen that one but would like the other style. Maybe I'll get the Guncrafter & have it hard chromed. (gee, could that be an excuse to have the whole gun HC'd?)

[pa_guns]

I wonder if Bob went back to the gun show and got the Gunsite?


Hi

Went back and picked up some odds and ends. Didn't get the Gunsite, to much money to spend right now. :( :( :(

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

Thanks.......I'm had seen that one but would like the other style. Maybe I'll get the Guncrafter & have it hard chromed. (gee, could that be an excuse to have the whole gun HC'd?)

I'd like to have my RIA hard chromed. It's been a good gun so far. The Park is a little dicey, not too bad, but there you go...

I kinda like the little hole lanyard MSHs, myself. Either way, prob wouldn't use them, but, whatever, very interesting modern variation on the MSH.

Like the one on my O1911, and First Lady, and the ILS arched one that came on my GI45. Don't know why, as I said, don't really use them for anything... it's just original, I reckon. On the other hand... on the lands... a lanyard might be useful and functional. I know the original purpose; would be the same. Concealed carry, maybe not useful; open, has a potential...

Good luck on the MSH and the lanyard modification. Pictures, if you get it?

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Thanks for the links Mick ill check um out

Seem to be pretty rare, actually. Maybe not so rare you can't get you one. That one I found, was about $30, way less than I paid for my Ed Brown 3.

You take care, Sir.

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

I'm sorta thinking the Guncrafter style may be stronger since I might actually carry when riding my Broom (motorcycle).

[Joni Lynn]

Bob, we'll have to get together sometime & you can run some ammo through mine.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Just have time or a quick note to say-
Congratulations.

I hope you enjoy it. It's nice to be able to shoot a gen-yoo-ine Colt-made WWI-style 1911 without worrying that you'll some way tear up a 90-year-old original.

Thanks for the side by side comparison to your original. Looking forward to hearing more similarities and differences.

Wow, I can sense your happiness all the way here in Indiana!

Colt's really got it pretty much right on this one. Hate to hear the WWII Repro was disappointing; I'm looking at Colt's website now, for some other things... Guy at work has an old Colt's 41 revolver, he knows I'm a big gun nut and .45 fan, and have Colt's.

I'm real pleased, as you are, with this WWI Repro. It's a heckuva pistol. Really something. I was extremely lucky on this one, as I was on First Lady. I don't know how I managed EITHER.

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

I'm sorta thinking the Guncrafter style may be stronger since I might actually carry when riding my Broom (motorcycle).

Like a 45 1911 platform... there is nothing like a ride. Motorcycle ride. Folks who haven't been there, don't understand, like with our beloved handgun platform... and caliber... Is a Broom a BMW? I haven't had a ride for years, but, not to say that that is not ALSO a dream in the future...

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

12 days to shoot it !!!

How are you going to hold out? :D :D :D :D

Bob

But, gotta go til next weekend. I'm going to oil it up this week, before we leave for Austin Thu night; then be ready to go next Sun, as that's usually a slow day at the indoor range. OD*, yes, Sir, it is a beauty of a pistol. Colt did this one RIGHT. 'Course, so far, ALL my Colts have been right. But this one, and First Lady, are REAL, real special...

Mick

[Barry in IN]

Great to see another happy WWI owner!
I'm no gambler, but I would have bet that you'd be happy with it.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Great to see another happy WWI owner!
I'm no gambler, but I would have bet that you'd be happy with it.

I am extremely happy with it so far. Proof is in the shooting; but, due to its fit and finish, and function checking, can't imagine it won't perform this weekend!

I had it outdoors in the sunlight today; the Carbona Blue is very different from standard bluing in bright sunlight. Very rich finish; once you really SEE it in bright, natural light.

While I do want to be able to carry and shoot a "real" 1911 vs. all my 1911A1s, I've already decided the holster time on this one will be limited. If it's 100% functional, perhaps my constant nightstand gun, with my GP100 always there with .38 Special SJHPs in it... by my primary reach at night is a .45 in 1911 platform. Much as I carry, usually an ss gun; haven't carried my RIA or my GI45 or my O1991 or Taurus or GP100 enough to have any finish wear, although my RIA in Park has been carried a bit, no damage so far in the Galco or the Springer plastic XD Xtreme Yaqui. Sure don't want to "wear" on this Carbona Blue... You'd have won your bet, Sir! This one is VERY close to an original 1918 1911 USGI, my First Lady. Did feel inspired to drop an e-mail to Mark Roberts about this one, First Lady, and my Colts in general. He had a courteous reply for me today! Like Ivan Walcott at Armscor and the good folks at Springer, seems Colt will be there, IF they're needed.

Mick

[d90king]

I am extremely happy with it so far. Proof is in the shooting; but, due to its fit and finish, and function checking, can't imagine it won't perform this weekend!

I had it outdoors in the sunlight today; the Carbona Blue is very different from standard bluing in bright sunlight. Very rich finish; once you really SEE it in bright, natural light.

Mick

Mick,

I agree with you on the finish in the natural light, it is a very rich finish that seems unique to this gun.
Good luck with yours.

Patrick

[pa_guns]

Hi

The blue on the WWI's may or may not be absolutely original. It does look awfully good. It also looks very close to the originals I have seen. That may or may not be significant since they have "aged" for near 100 years. I just hope it holds up near as well as the original finish on the WWI's.

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

The carbona or carbonia blue that Ford's used on these guns is quite attractive and pretty well done. I'm quite happy with mine.

[pa_guns]

Hi

So what color grips go best with this finish?

Bob

[d90king]

Hi

So what color grips go best with this finish?

Bob


I think the grips that came on my Series 70 repro would look great ;) .

Patrick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Patrick: "rich" is dead-on... it's just very rich. I believe TattooPaul or Barry or someone or -ones, have commented on this phenomenon; and as Joni Lynn says, it's contracted out to Ford's. Colt's doesn't do them. Indoors, it looks pretty much like the fine bluing on my O1991; my 38 is ss...

pa, y'all: First Lady has the Black Army finish on her. It's different than modern bluing, and as pa says, NOT like the Carbona Blue on the Repro: it's very black, but solid, not "grainy" like the much later Parkerizing or blued finishes. It's more of a matte finish than modern bluing. It's hard to describe the subtle difference, but that's the best I can do... modern bluing is really "black", but First Lady has a kinda matte, "subdued" black to her. Her finish is pretty good, but, as pa says, she's got almost 90 years on her. I'm almost certain, before I got hold of her, she hadn't been cleaned and oiled for a while, although she is in great shape mechanically and function wise, and her original finish is real decent; she's got holster wear on her, and on the hammer and trigger, and of course the almost ominpresent idiot scratch on her frame, from the slide stop learning process. Top of the barrel's got some wear, although barrel seems original. Bore is EXCELLENT. Feed ramp excellent. Her magazine is apparently original USGI, too, and it's pretty beat up around the lips; feeds perfectly, just doesn't like to drop free when the magazine release is pushed; modern mags, all drop free from her perfectly.

Told Mark Roberts how impressed I was with the authenticity of the WWI Repro Model! I have heard a rumbling that the WWII Repro isn't nearly as close to an original USGI 1911A1; shame, if true, as Colt's pretty much got it right on the WWI. Other than the very small differences I described earlier, THIS is a 1911, down to proof marks, and this is a COLT'S 1911.

I've seen Joni Lynn's referenced United States Fire Arms (USFA) repros, photos only; the only one that interests me (IF I had about $2000 in pocket change, which I don't) is their repro of Colt's and JMB's 1910 Commercial Model 45 Automatic. Maybe if I win the Texas Lotto; but even if I did, it WOULDN'T be a COLT'S Repro 1910 Commercial Repro. I can only imagine the warnings that must come on THAT one, since it doesn't have the firing-pin block OR the thumb safety!!! (http://home.earthlink.net/~garrettwc/, from a member here's signature)

I am as happy and thankful to have gotten the WWI Repro, as I am First Lady. And I meant it when I said, were I king of the material world, I'd provide every one of you with a O1911 WWI Repro Model Colt's: it is a beautiful re-creation of really what we consider the first of the classic and viable 1911 platform, plunger tube and thumb safety and all. I've got her lying here beside me on the bed, and were it up to me, ALL you folks here, including El Commandante, John, would have one just out of our LOVE of this platform, whether anyone ever chose to shoot it or not. Like its great-grandmother, it is a BEAUTY. Well-designed, well-made, well-fitted, well-finished, and perfectly functional and viable for the 21st century, single action or not, whatever. WE know how to safely handle a dang gun. WE don't have to be coddled with safety warnings and firing pin blocks and double actions to keep us and other law-abiding citizens safe.

The O1911 is just... wonderful. So thankful I got one, for what I got it for; and ALL y'all's sharing and shared happiness, makes it SO MUCH BETTER for me. Y'all understand. Most folks don't.

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

I think the grips that came on my Series 70 repro would look great ;) .

Patrick

The brown woods look perfectly fine on the WWI! They're almost if not completely identical to an original (my First Lady), without the "oiliness" of having been packed in Cosmoline for shipment in 1918. First Lady's have a beautiful "soft" feel to them, and the stains of the heart-shaped magwell cutouts on their back surface; but, the O1911's, on visual inspection, are identical, and the wood double-diamonds FIT the finish, Black Army or Carbona Blue. Y'all can bet the grips won't EVER be changed on either my First Lady OR my O1911 WWI.

Mick

[d90king]

The brown woods look perfectly fine on the WWI! They're almost if not completely identical to an original (my First Lady), without the "oiliness" of having been packed in Cosmoline for shipment in 1918. First Lady's have a beautiful "soft" feel to them, and the stains of the heart-shaped magwell cutouts on their back surface; but, the O1911's, on visual inspection, are identical, and the wood double-diamonds FIT the finish, Black Army or Carbona Blue. Y'all can bet the grips won't EVER be changed on either my First Lady OR my O1911 WWI.

Mick

Mick,
Not sure I will change my set unless I get a second WW1. That said I am not as big a fan of the "Wood's" as you are except for the correctness of them, I think they are kinda dull looking on such a beautiful gun, but thats just me. :o

Patrick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Mick,
Not sure I will change my set unless I get a second WW1. That said I am not as big a fan of the "Wood's" as you are except for the correctness of them, I think they are kinda dull looking on such a beautiful gun, but thats just me. :o

Patrick

My Springer ss Mil-Spec has faux ivory Texas Stars; my RIA has Alumagrip OD Greengrey checkereds, my Colt's 38 Super Govt has pewter Western designs, my Taurus PT92AF, Ruger P90, and Ruger GP100 have Houge wrap-around combats on them... but, First Lady, my WWI Repro, and my GI45, will stay with their OEMs... I'm fixing to change my Colt's O1991 to some plastic checkereds in either grey or light green, to preserve the wood double-diamonds, similar to my O1911's; I've kept the black rubber ones from my Colt's 38 Super, though. I also like a smooth grip, got several Armscor Phillipine mahagonies, as well as faux ivory, pearl, and black pearls, smooth... My belief is that a man's or woman's grips are a very personal thing, and God knows that I'm a grip pimp DeLUxE... I love my Texas Star faux ivories, have an extra set of those, don't have anywhere to put them, currently, as I'm liking the pewters on my Colt's 38 Super Govt Model. Also have some GripGuys Kentucky Hickory smooths... just nowhere to put them! Used to be on my Rock.

I definitely understand, sir. Grips, regardless of the gun, are VERY personal and individual. Eventually, my WWI Repro may end up with something different; but NEVER First Lady: she's got her USGI originals. She's the ONLY one of my 7 I will not EVER change.

You take care N be safe, sir. Love you folks here!

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

... and she's better-lubed, OEM, than my 38 Super Govt Model or O1991. Still needs a little "standard" lubing, prior to actually firing her, but another interesting difference. Maybe Colt's modern version of the military Cosmoline of the late 1900's? LoL... See what the "caliber" stamping, barrel says: "Colt's 45 Auto". That's different.

Also, an "H" and a "1" stamped on the back of the slide, hammer area, and the firing pin stop. First Lady has NO markings/stampings there.

Just FYI, y'all, for this thread.

Mick

[OD*]

The carbona or carbonia blue that Ford's used on these guns is quite attractive and pretty well done. I'm quite happy with mine.
Who is Ford's? Is that Ron's last name?

[Joni Lynn]

Ford's is a place that does nice finishing or refinishing.
http://www.fordsguns.com/

[pa_guns]

Hi

Have you used them? If so what for?

Bob

[OD*]

Thank you Joni. I misunderstood and thought you meant Ford's had done the Colt WWIs.

[Joni Lynn]

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Colt ships the WW1 out for finishing, they ship their hard chrome out as well. I was of the impression that Ford's had done the blueing on the WW1 1911's.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Colt ships the WW1 out for finishing, they ship their hard chrome out as well. I was of the impression that Ford's had done the blueing on the WW1 1911's.

OD*, I've also heard that Ford's is the contractor for Colt's for the Carbonia Blue finish on the WWI Repro. I do know they're not done in-house... Far as hard chroming goes, here I've heard of several manufacturers, including Colt's, send these out as well. Springer's got a nickel-plate Mil-Spec (I believe) in .38 Super, and I'm pretty sure that's done off-site as well.

Whoever's doing that Carbonia Blue, it's VERY nice, more so in natural light, and seems extremely well-done. Inside as well as outside: I've got my O1911 field-stripped right now, to lube it for the first shooting, and it looks really good on the inside--frame, magwell, barrel, inside/upper slide.

Mick

[Barry in IN]

I sure don't know, but I've read on this forum that Ron's Gun Shop www.ronsgunshop.com does the Carbonia bluing for Colt, or some of it, or did A gun once, or something.
How's that for noncommittal?

I didn't know that Ford's did chroming for Colt. That's also a good choice from what I've seen. That must be why Ford's was so backlogged at the time I was checking around for chroming.

[Joni Lynn]

I don't mean to infer that Ford's does the hard chrome.
I could be mistaken on the place that does the blueing, it's been awhile since I read about it.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Right, Barry, Joni Lynn, Barry I think you are correct in re: the WWI Repro, I'd forgotten. Joni's right in that some of the majors DO send out/contract these special finishes, though. That much is a fact.

I know of several, and eventually may want to have one of my 1911s refinished--NOT the O1911 or First Lady, as they are BEAUTIFUL like they are. But, Ford's or Ron's, that other 1911A1, can't make up my mind between hard chrome, Birdsong T-Black or T-Green, or, NOW, Carbonia Blue.

Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

I suppose maybe I should re-think my can of Krylon approach :D :D

I'm still looking for the magical "cheap but good" refinishing outfit. I keep thinking about setting up to do it myself ...

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

Bob, try a dunk kit. Pick your favorite color and dunk away. ;) ......lol!

[pa_guns]

Hi

Unfortunately my favorite color (after carbon blue) is hot blue.

I've done it before, but never on my own equipment. It's kind of a messy thing to set up.

Bob

[tonyniev]

Some one needed close up pix of the ww1 reproduction and I cannot find the original posting, hope he finds this reply. I tried posting last week but we had that issue in posting pix.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p150/tonyniev/april06lasvegas106.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p150/tonyniev/april06lasvegas105.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p150/tonyniev/april06lasvegas104.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p150/tonyniev/april06lasvegas103.jpg

If he needs other views I can take and post the views he wants or send it directly my email.

[Mick_In_Texas]

http://www.ronsgunshop.com/carbonia.html

Interesting for we WWI Repro owners. Ford's, though, has some interesting variations on hard chroming, but no Carbonia Blue:

http://www.fordsguns.com/index2-1.htm

Thanks to Joni Lynn, I've added Ford's to my bookmarks. She's correct though about the "contracting".

Just thought this might be interesting for the NON-Krylon folks... LoL...

Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

Some one needed close up pix of the ww1 reproduction and I cannot find the original posting, hope he finds this reply. I tried posting last week but we had that issue in posting pix.If he needs other views I can take and post the views he wants or send it directly my email.

I may have been one of them wanting good photos... my gosh, these are BEAUTIFUL, Sir!!! Beautiful. Yes, that's exactly what my own looks like... Beautiful. Love them, and thank you Sir.

Mick

[Bud White]

Tony excllent pics

[OD*]

OD*, I've also heard that Ford's is the contractor for Colt's for the Carbonia Blue finish on the WWI Repro.
That would be incorrect Mick, I think if you do a search, I've posted several times to you who has done the WWIs.

Ron's gunshop has done all the WWIs.

http://www.ronsgunshop.com/coltwwrepro.html

[Mick_In_Texas]

Right, Ron's gunshop has done the WWIs.

http://www.ronsgunshop.com/coltwwrepro.html

Thanks for this link! Very useful/interesting for us WWI Repro owners... Ron's definitely does a good job on the Repros. It's added an option for my Rock Island refinishing. I LOVE the beauty of the finish on my WWI Repro Model... Seeing this, with their offer to do other guns... NiCe, Sir.

Mick

[OD*]

You're welcome amigo. ;)

[Mick_In_Texas]

That would be incorrect Mick, I think if you do a search, I've posted several times to you who has done the WWIs.

Ron's gunshop has done all the WWIs.

http://www.ronsgunshop.com/coltwwrepro.html

True, sir, I knew they were outsourced on the finish; had forgotten, like Joni Lynn, which vendor/contractor.

It's beautiful, that is for sure. They do a great job, good work.

Mick

[Barry in IN]

Bob, try a dunk kit. Pick your favorite color and dunk away. ;) ......lol!

Hey, yeah! I have some of that, but I only use it to make rubbery tool handles. I had not thought about doing guns with it!
I have both black and red. Maybe a nice two-tone black and red rubber coated 1911?
Maybe that's not what you meant.

On the serious side:
Tony- Great pics!

[Barry in IN]

I'm GOING the 25th with this one and my 1991. I'll get y'all a range report.
Mick

Well, it's the 25th.
I gave you until after it got dark out.
How was it?

[Bud White]

Yeah wheres the range report

[pa_guns]

Hi

Yea, where's the range report?

You didn't go do something stupid and stay employed did you? Gotta keep those priorities straight !!!

Bob

[Barry in IN]

Well?
I gave you a couple more days before asking again.
I didn't want to be a pest or anything.


Fine. I'll just go out and shoot mine.

[Mick_In_Texas]

My hard drive crashed on the 21st. I lost everything. I have nerve damage in my hands, and I've got nerve damage in my hands, and have Vista, and can't use this keyboard. I'll get back to y'all. It took me 45 minutes to type this.

No range this weekend. Y'all take care.
Mick

[Joni Lynn]

Take care Mick!

[pa_guns]

Hi

Take care of yourself first. We can wait for the range report.

Bob

[OD*]

Sorry to hear that Mick, take care of yourself.

[Joni Lynn]

If nothing else we'll do a roadtrip and test it ourselves.

[daveohno]

Take care of yourself, Mick.

[TattooPaul]

Just send the Repro up this way and Ill test 'er out for ya. Anything to help a friend!

[Barry in IN]

Oh man, bad news. Sorry to hear about that.

But since everyone seems willing to shoot it for you, maybe we can do that at least. I have a minivan, so can pick up at least six more people on my way!

[pa_guns]

Hi

Ok, here's the deal, there's a bunch of us out here, and only one pistol. While one of us is shooting another of us can type your messages for you. A third person can do the essential chores of running out for pallets full of ammo and kegs of beer.

I think we have a plan ...

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

... I think I've got my Natural keyboard working on this dang Vista machine... funny, but the one I had at work also cratered on me this week, and I had heck trying to type e-mail especially and function on mainframe applications. At least this time TxDOT is buying me one, and I'll eventually be able to bring my personal wired one back home. ANYWAY...

I LOVE YOU FOLKS. Hee hee, so many volunteers to test my O1911... it's lying here, oiled up and ready to go to the range NEXT weekend. Thankfully the nerve damage in my hands doesn't affect my SHOOTING GRIP... I really appreciate all the volunteers for "testing"... hee hee, in real time, that would be a very interesting thing: one gun... 8 or 9 different shooters... Now, since I'm supposed to provide the gun, y'all can provide your own dang ammo. And CLEAN it after YOUR turn... NO idiot scratches allowed (thankfully I'm long past doing that, especially on the Carbonia Blue, as well as my blued O1991, which is also going to the range with the Repro!)... And the contract doesn't include your mileage, folks, sorry, I'm a state purchaser. Hee hee...

Back on a serious note, I'm trying this weekend to get my virus protection updated for Vista and get all my bookmarks back, as I lost EVERYTHING in the hard drive crash, and it couldn't be recovered by an external party. I want you great people to know that this is the FIRST place I came to, Friday night, once I got my modem working on the new tower. You folks here are just... well. All this and a new boss at work this past Monday, another new employee this coming Monday, my life has been... well. Challenging for the past ten days. HERE, though, is my peaceful place... Our shared interests and thinking, is a help, as well as the great education (continuing) on my beloved 1911 platform. My new boss is a big shooting fan, as well, and he is thirsty to see and handle First Lady, my USGI from 1918; I reckon he'll get to see the Repro next week, alongside her greatgrandmother.

Had it not been for YOU folks, I'd never have gotten one. I also got my Clawson's Third Edition, and it DID include Karl Karash Collection CD... I was surprised, as I bought it from a private vendor through Amazon.Com. I see that the rollmarks on the O1911 are more like the Colt's USGI A1s from WWII, font-wise; that is kind of an odd thing and detail. Not sure why Colt's didn't use the original "font" for the rollmarks in re: WWI... but, it seems "authentic" to the Colt's USGI A1s from WWII. Interesting, at least from what little I've looked at examples of both in the Clawson's.

Folks, I'll be spotty this weekend 'cause I've got a lot, LOT of work to do to get my data from scratch and also find me a backup program and install a DVD burner in the new machine. At least my Colt's and my Springers and my RIA are NOT subject to software and hardware crashes... they're real and they're solid. I still am just awed by having BOTH a USGI and the Repro of her.

Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

These days external USB hard disks are a sub $100 item when they go on sale. They make a *great* way to back stuff up. I'm no better at remembering to do it than anybody else, but I do it more often when it's easy to do. A USB disk is *easy*.

You plug it in and drag your "documents" and "favorites" folders over to the usb disk. It chugs away copying them over. If you have a lot of stuff it may take a while to copy, so you leave it on over night.

You can also get fancy backup software to do a lot more of a backup, but that gets more complicated. As soon as it gets to complicated I forget to do it.

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

... in the past, I've burned CDs and DVDs for backups. The stupid software I had, has continual updates, and I didn't like it, and didn't re-buy the newer versions. The crash caught me by surprise. I'd been searching for another solution, but, the crash hit me before I found it. I appreciate this, sir.

I want to go to the range with my O1911 and my O1991: they are solid. At least in the manufacturing... I love my WWI Repro. I want to carry it some if it is reliable. I've heard of some minor ejector probs with them... hopefully mine is okay, will need no adjustments. My last range master told me that SJHPs were allowable on the range; I need to check with the range owners on that, although I hope this is true: I want to see if a new Colt's (well, two, actually) will feed SJHPs. I am currently leaning toward those as house/apartment rounds; not truck/travel carry, as on the road I like FMJs.

A guy at work said something a few days ago about the SigSauer .357 Auto, and the fact that a .45 ACP won't penetrate auto glass reliably... I told him that is the reason Colt's developed the .38 Super round in the late 20s. The .45 is a big, heavy, subsonic round, not made to penetrate auto glass; but, in most situations, defensively, I'll take it over anything else I have--9mm, .38 Special/.357 Mag... the 1911 is the best defensive handgun ever designed, in my humble opinion, and chambered in the .45 ACP. Lately I'm re-evaluating my SJHP/FMJ thinking for inside the apartment, but, either way, the 1911 platform, in .45 ACP, like my O1911, and First Lady, is better than anything for me for defense and recreational shooting. As I love all my firearms, I LOVE my O1911 Colt's WWI Repro; but, because of my love of JMB's original design for the "45 Automatic", I bought it to shoot and to carry some, if it proves functional. I know that several folks here have the WWI Repro and do not want to shoot it or carry it, and I truly respect that; but, having an original USGI 1911 that I will NEVER carry or shoot too much, the modern made O1911, I respect but plan to USE. It prob won't be shot as much as my Ruger P90, Springfields, RIA, or my other three Colts, that includes First Lady and my .38 Super Govt; but, it will be shot and used. It is the "carry/shooting replacement" for First Lady. While I love my A1s, and my Rugers and my Taurus, I also LOVE the 1911 period no A1 platform. The Colt's O1911 is the only reasonably-priced option (compared to United States Firearms reproductions) for someone wanting to carry and use a 1911. And it's a Colt's. This is the reason I so wish Colt's would make the WWI Repro in blued a production pistol. But, maybe I'm weird.

You take care, pa, and thank you. I will consider this option.
Mick

[OD*]

see that the rollmarks on the O1911 are more like the Colt's USGI A1s from WWII, font-wise; that is kind of an odd thing and detail. Not sure why Colt's didn't use the original "font" for the rollmarks in re: WWI... but, it seems "authentic" to the Colt's USGI A1s from WWII.
Mick, look at page 18 of your Clawson book, then check-out slide number 3.

[Mick_In_Texas]

I
Mick, look at page 18 of your Clawson book, then check-out slide number 3.

Hi, OD*... I look at Page 18, and First Lady's slide has the rampant colt in the middle of the patent numbers. Which seems accurate, since her S/N is 4978xx... my O1911 has the rampant colt behind the slide grips, near the hammer, her slide is like number 4 on page 18. The Repro, is like 1 and 3, with the colt on the slide near the hammer. Colt's did a really good job on the WWI Repro, but side by side with First Lady, it's not really totally accurate to a 1918 USGI manufacture. I've got her and my O1911 laid out now. But, my WWI Repro DOES have the lanyard loop on the frame, and the grips are almost totally identical. BOTH of them ar beauties, even though they're 98 years apart...

Mick

[OD*]

look at Page 18, and First Lady's slide has the rampant colt in the middle of the patent numbers.
Right, yours is a later slide.

The Repro, is like 1 and 3,
No, it isn't, Mick. Look at the radius cut on the recoil spring housing (the very bottom, front of slide) it's like number 3.

it's not really totally accurate to a 1918 USGI manufacture.
It's not a copy of the LATE 1918, Mick.

Colt got it right Mick, you are misinterpreting what you're looking at amigo. Colt used 4 veriations of slides between serials 275,000 and 290,000.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Right, yours is a later slide.


No, it isn't, Mick. Look at the radius cut on the recoil spring housing (the very bottom, front of slide) it's like number 3.


It's not a copy of the LATE 1918, Mick.

Colt got it right Mick, you are misinterpreting what you're looking at amigo. Colt used 4 veriations of slides between serials 275,000 and 290,000.

... of which variant they were copying... ah, yes, all the variations, and all the production years... I see what you're saying.

Still: it's a MODERN Colt 1911. That's about as right as it can get for me... LOL!

Take care, sir.

Mick

[OD*]

of which variant they were copying... ah, yes, all the variations, and all the production years... I see what you're saying
It's actually copy of a 1918 (it's just an earlier version than your USGI, Mick). Colt chose to use a copy of Major John M. Gibert's inspector's stamp (used from 10 Aug. 1917 thru 29 March, 1918) and the type 3 slide, also used in the 1918 production run.

How's the hands Mick, any better?

[Mick_In_Texas]

My birthday today, and not wanting to work--HA!--had a day of vacation scheduled... thought the range wouldn't be busy (wrong, but not too bad--I didn't shoot anyone else's target this time, either!) this afternoon... so, my bday excursion.

Took two Colt sisters: my new O1991 Government Model 80 and my O1911 WWI Repro. Used Remington and Winchester White Box, standard factory loads, FMJ 230 grain. Colt OEM magazines, the one that came with the 1991, the two that came with the 1911. On a couple of magazines, the Remington got mixed with the WWB.

Function:
O1911 WWI Repro--PERFECT. No misfeeds, misfires, or mechanical problems of ANY kind. 27 rounds today.
O1991A1--perfect feeding and firing; last magazine, the slide failed to lock open on the empty magazine, and I could not get it to lock back by racking the slide back on the empty. That was on the 28th round. This is a slight functional problem... none of my other 1911s, including First Lady, and on her worn old OEM mag, have failed to lock back on empty. I also noted the mag dis not want to eject on that run. Pressing the magazine release did NOTHING on that one. I had to press the release and pull the empty magazine out.

Firing:
Both guns may be shooting low and to the left from POA. Especially the 1991, maybe not so much on the 1911. Here's the reason:

1911:
Out of box, 7 rounds, 15 yds--
1--dead center, on the X in the bull's eye
3--9 ring, roughly 8/1/2 o'clock, center of ring
1--8 ring, about 8 o'clock
1--1--7 ring, about 8 o'clock
1--6 ring, about 7 o'clock
Next 20 rounds, all 20 yds--
1--border, 9-10 rings, about 8 o'clock
2--9 ring, one about 9 o'clock, one about 3 o'clock
1--8 ring, about 8 o'clock
1--7 ring, about 7 o'clock
7--6 ring, about 6-8 o'clock
5--5 ring, about 6-7 o'clock
3--just below the 5 ring, about 7 o'clock
This one makes me wonder if it's my eyes, not the 1911, especially the first strng and part of the second. I got worse as folks occupied the two lanes right next to me... Hmmm. The first string makes me really wonder...

The 1991:
15, 20, and 25 yds--best two shots were 8 ring, about 6 o'clock;
5--7 ring, roughly in the 8-9 o'clock position
5--6 ring, all about 7 o'clock position
5--5 ring, about 7-8 o'clock
2--out of target, about 7 o'clock
1--out of target, about 5 o'clock (!)

This one, despite being concerned this trip about my unassisted/non-corrected vision, I really wonder about as far as shooting low and to the left.

Obviously, I've got some uncorrected vision issues when shooting in public; I felt the WWI Repro MAY be pretty darn good out of the box--see above. I did pretty good with it, and it was the first fired, when only one other person was on the range. Recall too that the 1911 has VERY minimal, military-spec sights; the 1991, has the same Colt three-dot combats, that I did so well with on my 38 Super Govt Model a couple or three months ago.

Anyways, thanks for all y'all's support and interest. Suggestions on whether or not the 1991 needs a trip to Colt's or not??? I think the 1911 may be A-OK... and I'm telling my opthamologist next time that I shoot and see if that makes a difference on my prescription. Shot without my glasses today.

Y'all take care and be safe.
Mick

[Mick_In_Texas]

It's actually copy of a 1918 (it's just an earlier version than your USGI, Mick). Colt chose to use a copy of Major John M. Gibert's inspector's stamp (used from 10 Aug. 1917 thru 29 March, 1918) and the type 3 slide, also used in the 1918 production run.

How's the hands Mick, any better?

]No pain, nothing but the usual issues with the nerve damage, but my shooting is not affected by my hand... only my vision (very nearsighted, left eye; okay, right eye). Hands not a problem today, and no "bites" from those ol' bread and butter .45s!

Mick]

[Barry in IN]

Well, I'm glad you got to shoot the WWI (and its' relative, also).
Mine does seem to shoot itself too, correcting shots that I know I blew. Sometimes we find one like that.

With the 1991 not locking open, the first thing I'd do would be to try other mags you might have. It sounds like the mag follower is sliding past the lug of the slide stop, and probably bearing against it to keep the mag from falling free.

P.S.- Happy Birthday!
Our B-days are close. Mine's the 12th.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Well, I'm glad you got to shoot the WWI (and its' relative, also).
Mine does seem to shoot itself too, correcting shots that I know I blew. Sometimes we find one like that.

With the 1991 not locking open, the first thing I'd do would be to try other mags you might have. It sounds like the mag follower is sliding past the lug of the slide stop, and probably bearing against it to keep the mag from falling free.

P.S.- Happy Birthday!
Our B-days are close. Mine's the 12th.

Hah! My retiring boss's is the 14th... Thank you, sir, hope you had a good one, as well...

Thank you for the info on the 1991: it did fine on the first three magazines. I was using the OEMs. Before I do anything to it, I'll check this out... First Lady's OEM mag won't drop free completely, it will detach, and she will lock back on it empty; she and other magazines also function perfectly, including Springers, Wilson Combats, Colts. I'm going to check the mag well on the 91, too, looks like I saw some wearing in just four runs, where as the 1911 didn't resist, do anything other than WORK. Really appreciated, Barry.

You and yours take care and be safe.

Mick

[drshame]

Great Birthday Present to yourself...Congratulations.

Don't know how many rounds are thru the 1991...but remember any gun needs a good break-in period with good ammo.

I'll let the experts debate here how many rounds it takes. But I'd suggest putting a bunch more rounds downrange before making any conclusions about accuracy and reliability.

It goes without saying proper lube, greasing and cleaning are an important part of the break-in process....But don't be too aggressive with barrel fouling...you might do more harm than good.

+2 on your initial Range Report on the Repro.
Mine has been flawless since just about the first time I took it out for an initial day on the sun.
It even runs my SWC handloads without a hiccup. Sight acquisition and trigger is excellent despite the old design...that still works for me very well.

BE CAREFULL with the slide release and the idiot scratch whenever you take it down.

I'd almost recommend taking off any rings..watches and jewelry when you shoot it to avoid scratches.
I'd also suggest a good shooting pad or gun rug if you put it down on a shooting table.

Did I mentioned how well it shoots?
Go out and enjoy it. Come back and report after 500 rounds!

[Joni Lynn]

I get the impression that my WW1 shoots extremely well. The barrel is fit snug at the back and the bushing/slide fit-bushing/barrel fit is snug as well. I'm quite happy with mine and I'm looking forward to spending an afternoon shooting it.

[pa_guns]

Hi

I have seen no real problems at all with my WWI's.

Bob

[OD*]

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Mick.

[tonyniev]

[QUOTE=drshame]
Don't know how many rounds are thru the 1991...but remember any gun needs a good break-in period with good ammo.

I'll let the experts debate here how many rounds it takes. But I'd suggest putting a bunch more rounds downrange before making any conclusions about accuracy and reliability.

It goes without saying proper lube, greasing and cleaning are an important part of the break-in process....But don't be too aggressive with barrel fouling...you might do more harm than good. end quote"

I have not taken my ww 1 Reproduction to the range so it is still unfired...I bought a new Gold Cup on Thursday evening and on Saturday after cleaning and oiling I shot 20 rounds before three stages of IPSC practice, shot 150 then the next day shot 200 rounds including a 50 shot stage...no problems encountered.

What do you mean by barrel fouling? can you explain...I cleaned the barrel and simple strip on Saturday night before the Sunday event, put gun butter oil and all is fine...no break in at all.

Incidentally there is a little slide shake on this new gun, but the grouping was good, the sights factory adjustment are zeroed in, easy to tell when you are hitting small steel targets at 35 yds...

[drshame]

"No break in at all."

Tony, Double check with some of the olde-timers here about "Breaking In" a 1911 platform.
I'm not talking about inducing failures....I'm talking about parts being worked back and forth together for the first few times repeatedly by the owner at a range and there is an active debate on how many rounds are needed to break in a new gun to make sure everything works reliably.
Sounds like you got a couple of great 1911's!
"Barrel Fouling" shouldn't be a problem with a new gun unless you complelty ignoire it. I know in some Highpower Competition Circles there is a very active debate on what's "good cleaning" and what's "over-cleaning". Some shooters believe you can damage a barrel more by too much cleaning than too little.
Again, it's an active debate like Smith & Wesson or Colt, Ford or Chevy.

1911's or 1911 A1's.

Blonds or Brunettes!

[tonyniev]

"No break in at all."

Tony, Double check with some of the olde-timers here about "Breaking In" a 1911 platform.
I'm not talking about inducing failures....I'm talking about parts being worked back and forth together for the first few times repeatedly by the owner at a range and there is an active debate on how many rounds are needed to break in a new gun to make sure everything works reliably.
Sounds like you got a couple of great 1911's!

Blonds or Brunettes!


When I get a new gun, I clean it up with rem oil, then use butter oil to lubricate and then cock it several times ,making sure that the slide is moving well, I can also see if I placed enough oil...I had the same experience with a Colt Combat Commander series 80 that I bought new more than a month ago, cleaned, oiled and then shoot 100 rounds at a range, then used in competition and have shot more than 2000 rounds and not a single problem...I bought in January a 1973 Colt Combat Commander used, that one had extractor problem that I was able to solve partially, now I have ordered a new extractor and firing pin stop...so all my experiences with 3 of my 4 colts ( have not fired the ww1 reproduction) are all good...I would say the same experience is similar with my Glock and H&K polymers. I am therefore surprise to hear all these bad stories on new guns.

[Mick_In_Texas]

[QUOTE=drshame]Don't know how many rounds are thru the 1991...but remember any gun needs a good break-in period with good ammo.

I'll let the experts debate here how many rounds it takes. But I'd suggest putting a bunch more rounds downrange before making any conclusions about accuracy and reliability.

It goes without saying proper lube, greasing and cleaning are an important part of the break-in process....But don't be too aggressive with barrel fouling...you might do more harm than good.

+2 on your initial Range Report on the Repro.
Mine has been flawless since just about the first time I took it out for an initial day on the sun.
It even runs my SWC handloads without a hiccup. Sight acquisition and trigger is excellent despite the old design...that still works for me very well.

BE CAREFULL with the slide release and the idiot scratch whenever you take it down.
QUOTE]

Thank you, dr, and all... Amen to that beautiful finish. Actually, after my Mil-Spec, which is ss, I kinda got the hang of the ol' slide stop "trick"--Mil-Spec's got idiot scratches on BOTH the slide and the frame, leave it to me... my others? Nary a one, except for First Lady, and she got those when she was in the Army... LOL! Thankful I didn't scratch my work buddy's Mark IV Govt; seeing as how I took it down and reassembled it without ever having handled a 1911 platform, and with no manual, instructions, whatever... one of the first of many reasons I was and am so impressed with the design! With the 1911, I've felt comfortable enough (thanks largely to the good information HERE) to even change MSHs on my two Springers... certainly not gunsmith level, but I've never done anything to a gun other than field strip and clean and reassemble as regular maint or after shooting...

The O1991: Just under 50 rounds. Taking to heart your and the other folks's advice, I'm going to give it a few more, as I originally thought--I've never had to technically break in a gun, even 1911s, but, I DO know that they work better in many cases WITH a break-in--before I overreact. Last night, it'd lock back on an empty mag, just manually. The POA, I'm wondering if it's ME, not the weapon; the O1911 did great right out of the box, especially at 19-20 yds with those military sights, then I started going all over the place, but mostly low and left, with her. I shot her first, two mags. I was checking and marking my target after each mag for y'all; I may have had more nerves involved than POA problems with the gun... Other stuff seems fine on both, hammers, trigger pulls, slides, all that...

I want to get the 91 out on the land Memorial Day. All by myself, no people right beside me, shoot up some paper plates and balloons and stuff from 15-25 or 30 yds. On my shooting test both times for my CHL, I've scored one shot out of 50 below perfect score, out to 25 yds, and those are TIMED and you have to pass it, get below minimium, no license or renewal for 30-60 days, second time, or third time, you are OUT... but, while .45 ACP, that was with my P90. Thinking about my vision correction, too, but I feel I MUST learn to shoot with uncorrected vision and corrected vision. I never miss the target completely; all shots are accounted for and I've never shot the target holder at the range, which evidently happens a bit because I always get my $5 discount for not shooting it! Hah...

Yes, the O1911 was just beautiful all the way! While I'm going to shoot and carry mine, I have no less respect and appreciation for the folks who have them and do not wish to do this... It's hard to say I'll give her "extra" care, I care for all my guns pretty well, real well in fact; but I do particularly love the EXTERNAL finish on the 11... although the bluing on the 91 seems particularly beautiful, for some reason different, than that on my GP100, my Taurus, and my Mossberg scattergun. I don't see any unusual or really any wear on the two after their first firing...

Barrel fouling for competition shooters is a BIG issue. Me, I like a clean barrel, lightly oiled... I don't SCRUB out the bores, just excercise patience with them until the patches are running out clean. Most quality ammo, won't foul it real bad on what I'd call normal number of rounds; even the lead-bullet roundnose I fed through First Lady didn't dirty up her barrel all that much although I only shot her 8 times. There was some brand of ammo I used once years ago that was nasty: not so much barrel fouling, but excess powder... PMC? Don't recall, but after 50-100 rounds, your gun was FILTHY. I worked for a guy in private sector for many years, who was an NRA Unlimited Rifle (if you could call them rifles, outside the barrels and trigger assemblies) Competitor, and he was obsessed with minutae--yet, at distances out to whatever, 500 yards?--little things affected accuracy a lot at those ranges, and bullet sizes, they were shooting in competition. A dirty gun is dicey, for sure. But seems the trick is learning how much is enough--whether it be lubrication or anything--and how much is too much and counterproductive. Too much lube is as bad on a carry gun, especially, as is too little. I like a clean gun... well but not over lubed... and for my purposes, that has always been sufficient. Other folks's purposes (competition), may have different requirements.

Can't say I was unhappy with EITHER of my new Colts; but I was REAL happy with the WWI Repro. Already I think it's the best gun I've ever bought out of the box... and I say that as one who's had Berettas, S&Ws, Taurus, Rugers, Springers, RIAs, Colts, and Mossbergs, and been around folks who have every conceiveable gun on the planet outside of full military issue.

I appreciate the interest here in my own guns, and in sharing interest in y'all's. I LOVE this dang place.

Mick

[pa_guns]

Can't say I was unhappy with EITHER of my new Colts; but I was REAL happy with the WWI Repro. Already I think it's the best gun I've ever bought out of the box...

Mick

Hi

That's pretty much the way I feel about my WWI. They have done a real good job on these pistols.

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

That's pretty much the way I feel about my WWI. They have done a real good job on these pistols.

Bob

They are limited edition. I think Colt's Manufacturing, LLC, captured the spirit and the physical properties of a limited edition firearm in this one! On a firearm, function is part of their beauty, if the owner wished to fire and use it... and my own, so far, is just totally beautiful as a firearm, and a limited edition one at that.

I am simply thankful that I was able to join you WWI Repro owners. Somebody at work today was really wanting to buy one of my Colts. Thirsting after one. Need I say that they will need to look elsewhere???

Mick

[pa_guns]

Hi

Well I bought the first WWI I found, passed on the second one (a list member got it a week later) and bought the third one I found as soon as I saw it.

I'm not sure what I'll do if I find another one ....

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

Well I bought the first WWI I found, passed on the second one (a list member got it a week later) and bought the third one I found as soon as I saw it.

I'm not sure what I'll do if I find another one ....

Bob

You'll buy it if you have the moola, sir. LOL! I do not believe a responsible, law-abiding citizen can have TOO many guns. I had a guy at work today, his friend was wanting to get one of my Colts so bad he could TASTE it... needless to say, he is still searching. He was even wanting to buy First Lady!!!

There are no Colts dealers within a hundred miles of me. I would not have been able to get my WWI Repro, had it not been for help from the folks on this forum, leads... Had I the money, I'd get another one if I could find it. They are EXCELLENT guns, I am thinking now. Just beautiful pieces of machinery, and from a manufacturer who's been around a real long time...

Mick