O My

[pa_guns]

Hi

I headed over to the toy store today to get one thing and wound up with something else. I was looking for an XSE, but it was already sold.

I almost didn't get anything. Hunter's Evil Twin was there talking about how Kimber makes the lowest cost "good" 1911's around. The comparison soon got to "Colts all cost over $2000 if they are any good". I kid you not those are direct quotes.

I simply had to head out to the parking lot for some fresh air. Nobody listening to him was buying anything. I figured it was better to simply walk away.

Once I got back here's what I found:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n68/pa_guns/38superright.jpg

This picture needs a little work:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n68/pa_guns/38superleft.jpg

The new one is a a little different from this one:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n68/pa_guns/systema3.jpg

but the heritage is obvious.

The new pistol is a Model O in 38 Super. It's the first one I have ever tried out in 38. The pistol is *very* well put together. I'm not sure if this is some kind of special package, but I don't think so. It appears to be just a standard pistol.

Now I need to stock up on 38 ammo and probably get some dies. Out to the range we go ....

Bob

[stillwater]

I was looking for an XSE, but it was already sold.

The new pistol is a Model O in 38 Super. It's the first one I have ever tried out in 38. The pistol is *very* well put together. I'm not sure if this is some kind of special package, but I don't think so. It appears to be just a standard pistol.

Now I need to stock up on 38 ammo and probably get some dies. Out to the range we go ....

Bob
You betcha. Nice acquisition. Let us know how it shoots!!

[pa_guns]

Hi

It's really a shame that there are no more Colts out there :D :D :D

Bob

[EchoBravoKilo]

Well done! Enjoy and be safe.

[pa_guns]

Hi

Now I just have to find a good source of 38 ammo ...

Bob

[Hunter]

Nice Colt Bob. I think you did right getting the Colt and not taking my evil twins advice about the Kimber (if I ever catch up with him it will be me and him but mostly me :D ).
Might be time to look into handloading. The Super .38 is an excellent round but factory ammunition does not do it justice.

[daveohno]

Nice pistols! Oh man, I'm really sorry to hear I'm going to have to spend $2000 to buy a good Colt. Maybe I could buy a good Kimber..............





Not.

[OD*]

Nice pistols Bob. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

[OD*]

I think you did right getting the Colt and not taking my evil twins advice about the Kimber
It was more likely a doppelganger. ;)

[swampthang]

Nice Bob , 2,000 huh I guess the value of my Colts has doubled overnight!

[jeff1124]

Nice looking gun, Bob, I've looked at that model a bunch but in the end I've always stuck to .45 because of the ammo issue. I do reload, but not at the rate I've been shooting lately. Let us know how you like it when it goes bang! :)

[clughog]

Bob, those are some nice pistols! I think I'd like to have a full size .38 Super to go with my Commander. And, I really like your Sistema! Looks like it is in pretty good shape--at least it appears to have more finish on it than my two!

[pa_guns]

Hi

The amazing thing about the whole "evil twin" thing was that not 5 feet away sat a pair of GCT's priced right at and just below $1K. I understand how people get hung up on their pistols, but this was a bit over the top. The world is full of crazy people ...

I have not done a lot with a 38 Super my self, but *know* they shoot very well. My grandmother (yes that's right) shot one darn well.

I'm probably going to set up the Dillon for 38 Super once I pile up enough brass. I scrounge brass at the local range, but 38 Super doesn't seem to show up much.

They are talking about six inches of snow tomorrow so it may be a while before I get to try it out. I only shoot outdoors. Though Hunters evil twin might have gotten me to reconsider that :D :D ....

Bob

[pa_guns]

I really like your Sistema! Looks like it is in pretty good shape--at least it appears to have more finish on it than my two!

Hi

My other two make up for this one in the finish department. I don't think either one has a single place on the outside with finish still in place ....

It's *very* hard to believe that the Colt could look like the Systema one day isn't it?

Bob

[deadmarsh]

Nice purchase for a Colt that supposed to cost $2000.00...

And I like the South American edition -- I have one and like it as well...


Dead

[pa_guns]

Hi

The one thing I need to work on a bit is the photo setup here. The grips on the pistol are a *lot* better looking that they come out in the picture. Colt really did a nice job on this one.

As far as I can tell the pistol was special ordered back a while ago and never picked up. His loss was my gain.

I sure hope they don't catch on to the other $1250 I owe them any time soon ....

Bob

[Hawkmoon]

Hi

It's really a shame that there are no more Colts out there :D :D :D

Bob
Since you apparently thought the .38 Super was worth having, may we inquire as to how much over $2000 it cost? :D

The last pic is one of your Sistema projects? Is it just the photo, or is that thing missing the front sight blade entirely?

[pa_guns]

Hi

I still owe them another $1250 to make up my "mandatory" $2000 on the 38.

The Systema picture is a bit deceptive. The pistol does have a front sight blade. It's still got some blue on it so it fades into the background. The other thing not fully apparent in the picture is that it only has half of an extractor.

I'm still trying to decide which of the three Systema's to start out on. The first one probably will not be the one that comes out the best.

Maybe I should convert one to 38 ....

Bob

[RobBob]

Nice Super Bob! I bought one just like it a few months ago. I bought a case of this ammo when it was only $139. http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/38_Super_FMJ_Aguila.html Works pretty good for plinking. The object is to save the brass and get some dies when I have enough brass to load up. Problem is, it's been too darm cold in northern PA to get outsie an shoot. Another problem I have is finding the brass. The guns sees to throw it in just about every direction.....including staright at my forehead! Thank God I wear glasses!
Rob

[pa_guns]

Hi

If a 1911 is throwing brass all over the place then I would guess that there's a problem. Extractor issues come to mind.

I'm off looking for brass my self. So far I have some Winchester at $12 for a box of 50. Gotta get some dies as well.

Bob

[RobBob]

I'm sure it's probably extractor issues. I tweaked it a little the last time I had it apart for cleaning, but haven't had it out since. It will end up customized at some point anyway, so whatever the cause will be worked out in the end. The 38 Super is a fun cartridge to shoot.
Rob

[pa_guns]

Hi

The extractor problem may be something as simple as a burr on the "claw". It's at least looking at it next time you tear the pistol down.

Looks like I should hop in the car and grab all of the $12 a box Winchester I can find. Even with dealer discount I can't find it that cheap at anybody who has it in stock.

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

I headed over to the toy store today to get one thing and wound up with something else. I was looking for an XSE, but it was already sold.

I almost didn't get anything. Hunter's Evil Twin was there talking about how Kimber makes the lowest cost "good" 1911's around. The comparison soon got to "Colts all cost over $2000 if they are any good". I kid you not those are direct quotes.

I simply had to head out to the parking lot for some fresh air. Nobody listening to him was buying anything. I figured it was better to simply walk away.

Once I got back here's what I found:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n68/pa_guns/38superright.jpg

This picture needs a little work:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n68/pa_guns/38superleft.jpg

The new one is a a little different from this one:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n68/pa_guns/systema3.jpg

but the heritage is obvious.

The new pistol is a Model O in 38 Super. It's the first one I have ever tried out in 38. The pistol is *very* well put together. I'm not sure if this is some kind of special package, but I don't think so. It appears to be just a standard pistol.

Now I need to stock up on 38 ammo and probably get some dies. Out to the range we go ....

Bob

...looks just like my O1991. Mine's a .45 ACP, along with my .38 Super Govt Model. My own O1991 looks to be 100%. Firing in a couple of weeks; lube and sharing it with work buddy, last night and today. Hammer alignment, barrel busing/recoil spring/slide look good. Mine is blued. So FAR, love it.

Mick

[TattooPaul]

Love that .38 Super!!! There's one in my future after I address my current financial situation. Gotta love those experts, next thing you know they'll be telling you how you'd be better off throwing it at the target - I got that from two different old-timers, one just over a month ago... Some people's kids...

[pa_guns]

Hi

This one certainly is very well put together. It's easily as tight as any factory 1911 I have seen. I really wish I had noticed that before Mr. Kimber opened up with his "low cost guns" speech. :D :D

Probably would have gotten me in trouble though ....

Bob

[larry starling]

Congrats on your find. Looks great My wife allowed me to purchase a SS one several months ago and I couldn't be happier with it.... ;)

[pa_guns]

Hi

This one brings me up to three Colts. Two blued and one in stainless. I really do like the blue that Colt puts on a pistol.

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

Call Ivan..........I think they have 38 Super ammo.

[Mick_In_Texas]

Love that .38 Super!!! There's one in my future after I address my current financial situation. Gotta love those experts, next thing you know they'll be telling you how you'd be better off throwing it at the target - I got that from two different old-timers, one just over a month ago... Some people's kids...

I don't know if it's my Colt, the round, or both... but with all due respect to the "old timers", I feel the .38 Super is every bit as effective (or more so) than that lately "beloved" 9mm (and I DO have a 9mm): it's the same .38 caliber, maybe a little slower or faster depending, and that Colt's I've got is dead on the money at 25 YDs out of the box: first, I mean the very first, firing, even though I was having seeing problems due to my glasses, it put at least 5 of 8 rounds in a group about 1-1/2" wide, prob 1" tall. I'd already shot some .45 at the target, but I was specifically aiming at that spot, and I know at least five of the eight hit there from the edges of the hole. It was quite a hole, actually... Had it been defensive, I reckon 5-8 .38s hitting central mass at about 1450 fps would be more effective than throwing the pistol at the target... and I sure wouldn't want them to pick my .38 Super up, if they halfway know how to shoot, and turn it on ME after I threw it at them!!! Hah!!! If those ol' boys want to berate the .38 Super, they better include the 9mm, .38 Special, .357 Mag, and .38 Auto. YES: I MUCHLY prefer .45 ACP. But I also think in certain situations, my 9mm, .38 Special/.357 Mag, and .38 Super are effective. Don't carry them much, and don't shoot them much, but do respect them. I just don't think a 38 caliber/9mm bullet size is effective for a MILITARY sidearm, nothing like the venerable ol' .45. Mag capacity be danged: 1-shot stop to 3-4-shot stop, makes up for world of capacity. Our .223/5.56mm rifles aren't standard to the "world", anymore than the .45 pistol was, unless it's Britian or someone we're arming; mostly our enemies use .30 cal (7.62x39mm, as you know). You aren't going to pick up rifle ammo on the field of battle from enemies for your M4, that's for sure. So, in my addled mind, I don't buy the "universal" 9mm package in re: the military switching. SEALs, Spec Ops, some others are known to carry .45s in many situations. Far as controlability for draftee or volunteer non-shooters, seems to me the 9 kicks back harder than a .45, although the .45 climbs and canters off to the right more than my 9mm.

BUT... I love my .38 Super Colt 1911A1. It is SWEET, VERY flat trajectory, regardless of my own preferences, or the opinions of others. 100% reliable so far, too. I'm sure not sorry I bought it.

Mick

[Joni Lynn]

Oh.............super nice find by the way..............ya done well!!!!!

[Mick_In_Texas]

Hi

This one brings me up to three Colts. Two blued and one in stainless. I really do like the blue that Colt puts on a pistol.

Bob

My .38 of course is ss. My USGI 1911, black army. But, my 01991A1, Colt's blued. So far, seems REALLY solid, and it's very attractive, seems durable. Next few months, I'll be finding out if she's reliable on the range. She may become my primary gun, and then I'll have to name her.

Mick

[OD*]

But, my 01991A1, Colt's blued
Because it's not a 1991A1, 1991A1s were parkerized and or matte blue (or matte stainless), Mick, 1991s are blued (or stainless with polished flats).

1991A1
http://mysite.verizon.net/od45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/m1991a1.jpg

1991 Government Model
http://mysite.verizon.net/od45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/2005nrm.jpg

[pa_guns]

Oh.............super nice find by the way..............ya done well!!!!!

Hi

Glad I found it before you did :D :D :D

I think the 38 Super is a better round than the 9mm by far. I also think that the single stack 1911 design beats the day lights out of a double stack for a lot of people.

I'll give Ivan a ring about the 38 Super ammo. He sells *good* ammo !!!

Bob

[Mick_In_Texas]

Because it's not a 1991A1, 1991A1s were parkerized and or matte blue (or matte stainless), Mick, 1991s are blued (or stainless with polished flats).

1991A1
http://mysite.verizon.net/od45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/m1991a1.jpg

1991
http://mysite.verizon.net/od45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/2005nrm.jpg

I know Park from my Mil-Spec Springer (sold) and the two RIA's I've bought (one mine, the other gifted to my dad). In fact, the sticker on its case says, "MODEL O1991 GOVT MODEL 45 ACP 5" BARREL BLUE FINISH". It's NOT Parked. And as you said, the blue is VERY fine! I'm impressed. It's every bit as good as my GP100, my Taurus PT92AF, or my Mossberg 500.

The Park on my dad's and my RIAs, is "grainy"; the Park on my Mil-Spec Springer was also, although the commercial finish Parks, very, very subtle diff compared to bluing. It absorbs oil, as you know from your long experience. My new Colt's doesn't. Obviously, due to its blued vs Parked nature. It IS a 1991, obviously. It's wiped down, but when it had excess on it, it didn't absorb, it only made it greasy/oily. My Parked used to eat up that oiling. Now it's conditioned, and not so bad. I got my dad's conditioned, as well. It's still doing pretty good, although I may have it refinished in Birdsong before I have mine done. Easier for him to clean/maintain. He's sharp, healthy but 87 years old, even though he's a dead on shot with a rifle or pistol.

But, all Colt's are good. Hee hee, me and my work bud handling my O1991 yesterday... he's the one who let me take his Mark IV Govt Model home two years ago, and got me HOOKED on the platform.

Love the Colt's bluing. Glad and thankful I got this one.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/a0e23d89.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/067cf1ff.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Mick_In_Texas/4ca61fb7.jpg
Beautiful sights, too, just like my .38 Super Govt Model!

You sir take care and be safe.
Mick

[OD*]

MODEL O1991 GOVT MODEL 45 ACP 5" BARREL BLUE FINISH
Exactly! You have a 1991 Government Model (and it's a beauty too), which is a different pistol than the 1991A1.

[DuckRyder]

Nice find, that was my first 1911 and is still my favorite. Magtech Super .38 is good stuff out of mine. Also among the least expensive.

I still do not have a 1911 in 45 ACP... ;)

[pa_guns]

Magtech Super .38 is good stuff out of mine. Also among the least expensive.


Hi

I like Magtech ammo. It's as good as anything out there for target shooting.

Bob

[clughog]

Hi

I like Magtech ammo. It's as good as anything out there for target shooting.

BobI like it too...pretty clean compared to the Winchester white box, in my opinion. I've been shooting it in .45, .38 Super, and .380 auto.

[jeff1124]

I like magtech too. Unfortunately the prices of most ammo has gone up lately, even at Wally World. (45acp 100 pk WWB = 25.00). Cabelas raised the price of magtech as well from 10.99/50 to 12.99/50. And Blazer Brass went up about 2.00 at Gander Mountain. I think I need more sources locally or else spend more time reloading!

[pa_guns]

Hi

I need to get Ivan on the phone before he realizes that he needs to raise his prices to keep up :D :D .

Bob

[Kangal]

Colt blue is the best....... NRM 45 and enhance 38 Super

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/ksaatci/ColtGoldCupTrophy45092.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/ksaatci/ColtGoldCupTrophy45100.jpg

[solz56]

Gotta say a "+1" to the Colt bluing. I was impressed with my Gov't model's finish. :)

[pa_guns]

Hi

I gotta say - the blue on the WWI repo's is even better than the blue on the normal Colt's ....

The finish / polish of the pistol is about the same, but the old time Carbona blue is very impressive.

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

I think I read somewhere that the carbona is perhaps done by an outside vender.............but ya can't believe everything you read.

[pa_guns]

I think I read somewhere that the carbona is perhaps done by an outside vender.............but ya can't believe everything you read.

Hi

I think you are right that they sent the pistols out for the final bake. I believe they essentially ran the old Colt process at an outside site.

Bob

[daveohno]

You did read that, there is a gunsmith that does the Carbonia for Colt.
http://www.ronsgunshop.com/coltwwrepro.html

[Joni Lynn]

Ahhh..........mind like a steel trap............an old rusty one.
Maybe I could have it reblued? (my mind)

[zenner22]

The blueing on my Gold Cup Trophy is fantastic. A nice polished blue on the flats. Do the NRMs get the same blueing job or is the Gold Cup done a bit nicer?

[pa_guns]

The blueing on my Gold Cup Trophy is fantastic. A nice polished blue on the flats. Do the NRMs get the same blue job or is the Gold Cup done a bit nicer?

Hi

From what I can see the Colt polish and blue process is pretty consistent across the product lines. The claim is made that the polish compounds used have not changed in over 100 years. There have been changes over the years, but that's over a *lot* of years. .

Bob

[larry starling]

Hi

This one brings me up to three Colts. Two blued and one in stainless. I really do like the blue that Colt puts on a pistol.

Bob
A whole lot better than the spray on wonder krylon based finish other manufacturers offer huh? ;)

[pa_guns]

A whole lot better than the spray on wonder krylon based finish other manufacturers offer huh? ;)

Hi

I think that each finish has it's place. Blue is good looking, and easy to refinish. It's also not super durable. Some of the other stuff is more resistant to acids, but to my eye not as good looking.

No free lunch !!

Bob

[larry starling]

Hi

I think that each finish has it's place. Blue is good looking, and easy to refinish. It's also not super durable. Some of the other stuff is more resistant to acids, but to my eye not as good looking.

No free lunch !!

Bob
Agreed! I guess I'm getting old. I'm turning in to a traditionalist. Don't care to much for change.... :)

[Joni Lynn]

Either that or you're becoming a cat. ;)

[larry starling]

Either that or you're becoming a cat. ;)
Yea that would explain a lot..... :lm:

[Joni Lynn]

You're not going to enjoy hairballs or a dirty litter box. Try not to get hit by any cars when you dart across the road.

[pa_guns]

Hi

The real issue is try not to mix it up with any of the killer cats from western PA ....

Bob

[larry starling]

Hi

The real issue is try not to mix it up with any of the killer cats from western PA ....

Bob
OH MY! That's not good.... :o

[Joni Lynn]

Hmmm..............now what cat would Bob be thinking of?

[pa_guns]

Hmmm..............now what cat would Bob be thinking of?

Hi

Possibly the one that I keep my 150 pound dogs away from ....

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

Bender used to keep all the cats & dogs at his previous home terrorized most of the time..........even the German sheperd seemed to fear him...........sometimes I can see why.

[larry starling]

Hi

Possibly the one that I keep my 150 pound dogs away from ....

Bob
Was up in NY on Wednesday whats up with I78 and I81 they get them open yet? Was stuck on the side of the road on I87 heading up to Plattsburgh.... :mad:

[Joni Lynn]

What??!!?? .............and you didn't even stop by and say hi to any of us................well...............see how ya are!

[pa_guns]

Was up in NY on Wednesday whats up with I78 and I81 they get them open yet? Was stuck on the side of the road on I87 heading up to Plattsburgh.... :mad:

Hi

For most of the day there was *no* major east west road open through PA. Right now I-80 is closed as well as I-81 and I-78. This is creating a few problems. the main one:

I CAN'T GET TO CABELA'S TO GET MORE AMMO !!!! (It's right in the middle of the closed stretch on I-78)

All of the rest of the worlds problems pale by comparison :D :D :D

Ivan's shipment to me is probably stuck somewhere in traffic as well ....

Bob

[Joni Lynn]

Suffer Bob..............suffer..................Mwahahahahahaha!!!!!

[larry starling]

Hi

For most of the day there was *no* major east west road open through PA. Right now I-80 is closed as well as I-81 and I-78. This is creating a few problems. the main one:

I CAN'T GET TO CABELA'S TO GET MORE AMMO !!!! (It's right in the middle of the closed stretch on I-78)

All of the rest of the worlds problems pale by comparison :D :D :D

Ivan's shipment to me is probably stuck somewhere in traffic as well ....

Bob
Thats not good...... :(

[pa_guns]

Thats not good...... :(

Hi

The worst thing about it is the total lack of publicity. People should be able to know about this kind of thing before they set out on a major trip.

It might also help people who are not headed out to load up on 38 Super ammo ....

Bob

[daveohno]

You can use up most of the cats 9 lives with one well placed shot from a 1911! :D

Speaking of critters, a woman dropped off a pit bull that was in terrible shape last night. She found the dog on the street. This poor beast was skin and bones, he almost looked as if his head was too large for his body, he was so scrawny. He got right in the cage once he realized there was food in there for him. How could anyone neglect an animal that is in your care like that? It's just criminal.

[jeff1124]

You can use up most of the cats 9 lives with one well placed shot from a 1911! :D

Speaking of critters, a woman dropped off a pit bull that was in terrible shape last night. She found the dog on the street. This poor beast was skin and bones, he almost looked as if his head was too large for his body, he was so scrawny. He got right in the cage once he realized there was food in there for him. How could anyone neglect an animal that is in your care like that? It's just criminal.
Dave, are you a veterinarian? Here, all this time I was thinking you were carnivorous just like me! :)

[TattooPaul]

How could anyone neglect an animal that is in your care like that? It's just criminal.

That stuff drives me nuts :mad: !!! It gives me ideas for another use of my of 1911's... :mad: although the owner should really get the same as what their critter had to endure... :mad:
Hope that pooch can get a good home. My current German Shep is a rescued neglect and abuse case. He's turned into a really great boy. Sorry about swerving the thread momentarily...

[larry starling]

That stuff drives me nuts :mad: !!! It gives me ideas for another use of my of 1911's... :mad:
Yea , I have to agree, But when people can't even treat each other with decency or respect that doesn't leave much for our pets..... :o

[pa_guns]

Hi

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at how many of us are pet people, but I am.

Bob

[jeff1124]

2 dogs and 6 cats here...always got some action happening !

[pa_guns]

Hi

Two large dogs and several cats on the other side of the fence in the back yard. They like to go out and stare at each other through the bars ....

Bob

[daveohno]

Dave, are you a veterinarian? Here, all this time I was thinking you were carnivorous just like me! :)
I really like pan seared steaks, strips, porterhouse and ribeyes! I buy some from Allen Brothers in Chicago once in a while, they are very expensive USDA Prime. They are what places like Gibson's (in Chicago) sell to you when you visit them for a nice red meat dinner. Mostly I buy them as Christmas presents for very picky friends and family.

Nope, not a vet. We have an animal cage in the back by the garage for stray and abandoned animals. We call Animal Control and they stop by and fetch them. Occasionally one of us will bring the critters home at the end of our shift.

[JustinTime]

That stuff drives me nuts :mad: !!! It gives me ideas for another use of my of 1911's... :mad: although the owner should really get the same as what their critter had to endure... :mad:
Hope that pooch can get a good home. My current German Shep is a rescued neglect and abuse case. He's turned into a really great boy. Sorry about swerving the thread momentarily...

Know how you feel my friend. As for my wife and I: Two pitt mixes (both resue cases) ,two cats, horse, and a monitor lizzard. Like Jeff, there is always something going on. On another note I ran into an evil Kimber pusher today. Came over to where I was looking at my SCG and Gunsite CCO and said "Kimber makes the best affordable 1911." I said " Really, I'm selling mine to a friend to get another Colt." "Colt is where it's at" I told him. Then I showed him my target Colt sends with the SCG.

[OD*]

Two pitt mixes (both rescue cases)
Good on ya Justin!

Now I really like ya! ;)

[JustinTime]

Good on ya Justin!

Now I really like ya! ;)

Thanks Dan.

[JustinTime]

BTW, sorry for derailing the thread.

[OD*]

BTW, sorry for derailing the thread.
No problem. ;)