Remington Rand Question

[rudyjr]

I inherited a Remington Rand 45 from my uncle it was his pistol in WWII. It has all of the correct markings as far as I can tell from the photos I have looked at. It is serial number 14335**. From what I have read I believe it to be a 1943 production run pistol. Can anyone tell me anything else about this particular gun. The finish appears to be in very good original condition it is the dull looking finish. It seems to have all of the same proof markings etc.., as the 1943 model on the coolgunsite in some of the previous posts. Any info would be appreciated.

[exitwounds]

1433511 is 1944 production (1944 = +/- 1363700 - 1441430 serial number range). Check your magazine it should be L,S,R, or G stamped on top of the baseplate lip. The logo should be the type III, and the barrel should be a high standard (hs) stamped on the right lug.

[rudyjr]

The magazine has a G stamped on the lip. I am not sure what you mean by the logo being a typeIII though. I have not disassembled the gun to clean and oil yet. I have a good friend that is going to walk me through it next week.

[exitwounds]

To simplify what a RR Type III logo is, it would be easier to go to www.coolgunsite.com and see one on the ID Pages, since I don't have a photo handy to post. The G stamp magazine is a General Shaver and would be correct for an RR pistol.

[rudyjr]

Thanks for the link, lots of great info. It is the type III logo that you said and the inspectors initials are on the gun under the slide stop FJA Frank J Atwood which is also correct. There is a p under the magazine release button, along with an a& c on the right side of the trigger gaurd.There appears to be a 4 on the front left side of the trigger gaurd.I understand from the site you gave me the p is a proof mark, any ideas on the other markings? Also any idea what type of ballpark insurance value I should place on this gun? It is never going to leave our family but I want to be sure to cover it sufficiently.

[exitwounds]

There appears to be a 4 on the front left side of the trigger gaurd.I understand from the site you gave me the p is a proof mark, any ideas on the other markings?

Beginning shortly after 1300000 various letters (A-Z) and numbers (0-9) were stamped on the sides of the trigger guard to signify various factory inspections (assembly/QC). :)

Condition and correctness effect value. So one can only guestimate without pictures.

[rudyjr]

Thanks for all of your help. If I can figure out how to do it I will post some pictures. Thanks again.

[Hawkmoon]

Thanks for all of your help. If I can figure out how to do it I will post some pictures. Thanks again.
http://forum.m1911.org/faq.php?faq=a_few_words#faq_postingpictures

[exitwounds]

Rudy, I can't speak for everyone, everywhere, but here in NE PA a RR pistol in 85% condition will often bring $800 - $1000, 95% about $1000 -$1500, and above that condition $1500 and up. Alot of variables as to who, when, where, etc. Another option is to look at similar condition pistols at gun shows, online auction sites, etc. and see what they actually sell for (not what they are asking). Since the demand is high, prices can change almost daily depending upon the market and your location.

[rudyjr]

Thanks for all of the help. That is what I was looking for. A antique military gun dealer appraiser here locally told me to insure it for 1500. Thanks again for all of your help.

[rudyjr]

Well I am going to try to post some pictures of this gun hopefully this will work. I disassembled it and it does have the HS barrell and it does have the G magazine and the FJA mark under the slide releaseand the p proof mark.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1619/8097096/15175620/229478814.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1619/8097096/15175620/229478790.jpg

[exitwounds]

Looking at your pictures the slide and frame appear to be mismatched in finish indicating that it may have been replaced, as well as the grip safety.

[rudyjr]

I think it is more the case of bad lighting than anything else. I oiled everything when I put it back together and the photos were pretty odd looking to me too. The slide and frame are both parkerized and in good lighting look similar. The thumb safety and other small parts are darker in appearance. I have noticed that most of the RRs on the cool gun site of that vintage appear that way also. It seems to me that I read somewhere that this was normal for miscellaneous parts.

[hundesport]

i have inherited from my grand dad a WWII 1911A1 colt serial number 1442723 i thinks its also from the same batch as rudyjr's 1911.

[exitwounds]

WWII 1911A1 colt serial number 1442723

That is an Ithaca serial number, not Colt. ;)

[hundesport]

That is an Ithaca serial number, not Colt. ;)

sorry i mistyped the serial number its 1142723

A little story about this particular 1911....my grand dad was with the Philippine scouts during WWII fighting in central luzon against the Japanese, but his not included in the fall of Bataan and later the death march going to Tarlac. He carried this particular 1911 with him with serial number 1142723 and continued to fight the Japanese via guerilla warfare.

One story that my grand dad told me..... during those times... local filipino guerillas collect Japanese Officers Caps and swords ... to be swap with 1911A1 pistols to interested G.I.s

[MacEntyre]

I shot a friend's 1945 Remington Rand 1911 this weekend. He bought it in 1961 for $32.