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JCM298
13th January 2005, 17:25
A Detective friend of mine is working a case involving a 1911 that has unusual, to us, markings.

Right side of Slide:

Sist. Colt Cal. 11.25 mm Model 1927 1000XX

Left side of slide:

D. G. F. M. - (F.M.A.P.)

Top of slide:

100XX

Left side of frame at magazine release:

JLD ENT. Farm CT.

I think the markings near the mag release are those of the importer. The 100XX is the serial number, the 11.25 mm is .45 cal.

The questions concern the Sist. Colt and the D.G.F.M. markings. Is this an Argentine model, Balista Molina (spelling ?), or what?

The grips/stocks are after market and have Aztec-style symbols on both.

My friend is just curious and would like an answer faster than the paperwork request he's made through ATF. He would appreciate any info.

Thanks,

John

canuck
13th January 2005, 22:16
Hi jcm298,
check out www.valleyguns.com
they have one these argentinian 1911's there on auction and it might give you an idea of what youv'e got

garrettwc
13th January 2005, 22:21
JCM, here is a link to the gun itself at Cruffler.com

Cruffler (http://www.cruffler.com/JLD.html)

Scroll down the page to "Sistema Colt Modelo 1927, Caliber .45 ACP" and you will see a version of the gun in question.

It is an Argentine contract gun.

JLD Ent stands for JLD Enterprises of Connecticut who is the C&R FFL that imports them for Cruffler.

Edited to add the following info from Syd's website:

In the 1930’s, the Argentines secured license to manufacture their own .45s. These are called "Sistema Colt" to distinguish them from the actual Colt Modelo 1927. These Model 1927s were made by Fabrica Militar de Armas Portatiles "Domingo Matheu," in Rosario, Argentina. They are marked "F.M.A.P" or "D.G.F.M. (F.M.A.P)" on the left side of the slide and "Ejercito Argentino, Sist. Colt, cal. 11.25 m.m. MOD 1927" in two lines on the right. All Model 1927s bear the Argentine seal on the slide.

An estimated 38,000 copies of the Colt M1911 .45 caliber pistol were made at Rosario; another 75,000 were produced in 1947-1966 (some of which were still in service with elements of the Argentine military during the Falklands/Malvinas war in 1982).

All Sistemas were originally blued, except a few that were specially ordered for the Navy. Early guns had checkered walnut stocks, later had black or brown hard rubber. They were numbered on the frame, slide, barrel, and magazine. Most examples noted have been either reblued, or phosphated; many of the phosphated examples have blued small parts.

JCM298
14th January 2005, 18:20
Thanks for the responses. I passed the info on this morning,

John