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Lazarus
28th November 2006, 20:42
I had a number of 1911's built for me, (that was before the big thaw). When new, they all made a swooshing noise when the slide was cycled. The noise was the barrel swooshing inside the slide. I assumed at the time that this was the sound of precision gunsmithing, and I was duly impressed. I now understand that the noise was not the result of any precision fitting, but rather the result of skipping a few of the finishing steps of barrel installation.

Whilst trying to achieve the clearances outlined by Schuemann in his timing test, I marked the barrel and slide to see where the two parts were meeting. Looking at the barrel on axis, it was rubbing the slide at the 4 and 8 o'clock positions all along the chamber end of the barrel. The Kart NM barrel appears to have plenty of extra material along these areas for some reason; but we know that the barrel should not be supported vertically in those places. In fact, if the barrel IS rubbing, it is possible that it does not sit completely down on the frame, resulting in unreliable operation.

After removing a little metal from the barrel sides and from the inside of the slide, I arrived at the fit I was after. The barrel dropped completely within 1/4" of rearward slide movement, but the contact noises (swoosh-swoosh) I had been hearing and feeling were gone. The slide with barrel actually cycles effortlessly (without recoil spring of course) by simply tipping the gun back and forth. That's more like it. Another cheer for Marks-Alot.

Finally, a quick way to find where, in relation to the slide movement, your barrel is hitting the frame VIS. Remove recoil spring and guides and re-assemble everything. Push the muzzle against a table whilst holding the frame in the in-battery position. Now, holding the slide steady, move the frame toward the table as far as it will go. When the frame stops moving, release the pressure on the muzzle and note how far the slide is sitting rearward of its in-battery position.

That's the story.

-Lazarus

niemi24s
28th November 2006, 22:58
Can't resist measuring something new on my 1911, so out comes the vernier calipers (with depth rod) to measure the slide nose-to-receiver nose distances at battery and VIS contact. Subtraction gives me about 0.241 inch of slide travel.

Is this good?

1911Tuner
28th November 2006, 23:51
Can't resist measuring something new on my 1911, so out comes the vernier calipers (with depth rod) to measure the slide nose-to-receiver nose distances at battery and VIS contact. Subtraction gives me about 0.241 inch of slide travel.

Is this good?

Yep. You're on the low end, but anything from 1.235 to 1.255 is good.

gbw
29th November 2006, 04:35
Lazarus, did you get Schuemann's link-down bbl-slide clearance of .015 with all slack out of the link? (Rear of barrel lifted vertically while pressed against VIS). Reason I ask is that I cannot get near that much with Caspian frames, Colt Slides, Kart barrels. .010 is best I've seen, current project is considerably less (see "Lowering Frame Bed" thread), .007 or thereabouts. Had to remove bow-tie, and .022 from frame bed to get that.

P.S. Every Colt slide I've used has had to have the bore relieved at the bottom to get the slide out of the way of the barrel.

Deacon Aegis
29th November 2006, 08:03
Lazarus, thanks for sharing that and yes, Ken Crawley keeps pounding on me as well the wonders of marks-a-lot or Dykem. I'm still getting over trying to "be sure" about some fit questions and using the dykem or dyes and truly being sure about it. hehe

Lazarus
29th November 2006, 13:00
Tuner, didn't you mean .235 to .255"?

Gbw, I have about .018" clearance measured without the pressure spring installed. I'm going to fabricate something to double-check, but don't think I will have the Schuemann specs either. I was just pleased when I removed one of the "offending" interference problems. Amazingly, the gun cycles totally unencumbered, whilst retaining a hard fit when in-battery. Not exactly the philosophy of some of the "custom" builders out there.

I tried Tuner's test of hand feeding rounds out of the magazine. At first, the round would stop completely in what looked like a 3-point bind. Except that the bullet nose was touching the barrel feed ramp only. Then I realized that my dimpled follower was holding the round back from feeding. Works fine if there are 2 or more rounds in the magazine.

-Lazarus