Gun lube II

[kmca]

Hi all,
I just bought a stainless steel 9mm Springfield. I've always used CLP/Breakfree for lubes on my other guns. Since this is the first stainless steel gun, should I be using a different lube?

Thanks in advance,
Keith

[wichaka]

I've always used Wilsons Ultima-Lube and have not had a problem. I prefer a grease over oils..........but you'll get many different ideas etc. here.

[kmca]

Thanks for the reply Wichaka.
I remember in the "old days" about galling problems, so I was concerned.

Good Luck,
Keith

[harytaint]

Your CLP will prevent this and provide lubrication to where the grease may offer more lubrication but no protection. This is why I clean the whole gun down with the CLP and then use some Tetra grease or which ever brand on the rails and bushing ect.
I know the owner of CLP and he gives me so much stuff and assures me that it can not harm any finish. If you read the bottle it even says it is not an eye irritant. This I would assume explain its non harsh components.
It works great for all your needs but I am anal and like to go the extra mile with some grease.

[USMC0231]

Greetings,

I have been using CLP since I was in the Marines, and have not thought much of changing. Today my boss (a self professed 1911 nut) suggested using Mobil 1 motor oil.

I know the advantages of using synthetic oils in cars, but I am skeptical of using it in my pistols. Anyone heard of this before?

[harytaint]

I have used it and I cant tell a difference. I dont see any problems with what kind of oil you use but CLP cleans and lubes which is nice. The motor oil works just as well as any other oil but does it alos provide protection to the metal for stainless guns? I doesnt and this would be a reason for using something designed for treating metal such as that of your precious guns.

[Jim Clark]

2 cents worth

Most Stainless Steels gall easily. For this reason I use something with a large portion of Teflon (PTFE). Teflon is extreamly maleable & will work it's way into the pores of any metal. Most SS is quite porous, which explains why it galls easily. I got my first hint of this from the manual for a Stainless Mini-14.

jim

[santa]

my two pennies worth: if anyone has seen some of my posts on this subject of lubes, they know I am a dedicated Eezox user. I have been using it for ten plus years now exclusively. please read the gun care below from Eezox's website, especially the part about teflon use. you can order from their site www.eezox.com they have a small bottle you can try before you buy a big item. I just believe in this product that is why I like to share the information. Hope this helps.



Facts You Should Know About Gun Care Lubricants, Cleaners and
Rust Preventatives.

The oldest and most widely used method to clean a gun is to use a nitrogen solvent, and to lubricate with a petroleum lube distillate. To shoot the gun it is necessary to wipe it dry first; to store the gun it is necessary to apply a heavy coating of more flammable petroleum lube distillate. This method dates back to the 1920's with some modifications being added, such as teflon or silicone powders which allegedly lubricate.

Many changes have taken place in the last 70 years - in new technology, engineering and design of firearms and ammunition. In spite of these advances, the three-step method of gun care - (1) solvent for cleaning, (2) flammable petroleum for lubricating, and (3) more lubricant for rust prevention - is still widely used.

Firearms manufactured today and in the past twenty years have gone through the most rapid and continuing change in design and metallurgy combinations, with ever-increasing precision manufacturing.

Due to advanced engine design, as well as metallurgy changes we certainly cannot or would not use motor oils made 20 years ago in the crankcase of our automobiles, recreational vehicles, etc. Therefore, it only stands to reason that with the new technology and design which has taken place in the field of firearms and ammunition - the products we use to maintain our firearms must also change.

Lubrication and metal protection vary depending on the products, machinery, parts, etc. to be lubricated and protected. What is good for one application is not right for another.

For example, Teflon is fine for frying pans, gears and other metal surfaces, but it is not a lubricant. Teflon, in fact, builds up residue when blended with flammable petroleum lube distillates. This residue build-up is left on firearm mechanisms, firing pins and in bores/barrels, etc.

EEZOX technology of developing a "ONE PRODUCT GUN CARE SYSTEM" is not only unique, but it is now being used by the most satisfied gun owners thoughout the United States and in many other countries. Why? Because it OUTPERFORMS ANY PRODUCT MADE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

Synthetic EEZOX Premium Gun Care technology enables the action of ONE product to CLEAN - LUBRICATE - PREVENT RUSTING AND FINGER PRINTING. The technology of molecular structure control allows a superior formulation of solvents, synthetic lubricants and rust inhibitors to be processed through EEZOX's exclusive reactor into the strong but thin molecular structure.

When a firearm is cleaned with EEZOX, the solvent evaporates, and Synthetic EEZOX lubricant and rust preventative is instantly on all metal surfaces cleaned - in the mechanisms, bore/barrel, actions - leaving no opportunity for a rusting process to take place. When EEZOX has dried to the touch, the firearm is ready for use or storage.

The EEZOX lubricant and rust preventative on the firearm is a very thin, strong molecular structured product which performs as follows:

From 95 degrees F BELOW ZERO to +450 degrees F.

Cleans, lubricates, prevents rust and finger printing;

No oily film - dry to the touch.

EEZOX ELIMINATES stiff actions, jamming, residue build-up, lead and brass build-up, plastic shot wad build-up. EEZOX allows all guns to function to factory design.

EEZOX weighs 10.42 pounds per gallon - squirt or spray EEZOX into a container of water and it will sink to the bottom. This density prevents water from penetrating the thin layer of EEZOX and from reacting with the metal to form rust. Because of the hydrocarbon oil content of other products, they will "float" on water. Therefore, water penetrates this oil layer and rests on the metal surface. The water then reacts with oxygen and the metal surface to form rust.

Our research clearly shows over 75% of gun owners are not satisfied with gun care products presently being used. Compare this to the 98.7% of EEZOX users who are greatly satisfied.

Think of the great number of satisfied customers Gun Dealers will build by stocking and selling EEZOX - easily building other product sales as a result of EEZOX users.


SYNTHETIC EEZOX PREMIUM GUN CARE ONE PRODUCT GUN CARE SYSTEM

[sbvann]

2 cents worth

Most Stainless Steels gall easily. For this reason I use something with a large portion of Teflon (PTFE). Teflon is extreamly maleable & will work it's way into the pores of any metal. Most SS is quite porous, which explains why it galls easily. I got my first hint of this from the manual for a Stainless Mini-14.

jim
jim clark thanks for telling me about ptfe-and i am sorry to hear about your broken leg-Bill

[jcmios]

I use Gun Butter and Mil Tech. All I can say about Gun butter is that it's the best lube around. Check them out at: http://www.gunbutter.com/

[sbvann]

thanks for the info-Bill

[sbvann]

2 cents worth

Most Stainless Steels gall easily. For this reason I use something with a large portion of Teflon (PTFE). Teflon is extreamly maleable & will work it's way into the pores of any metal. Most SS is quite porous, which explains why it galls easily. I got my first hint of this from the manual for a Stainless Mini-14.

jim
thanks for the sample-Bill

[TMII]

I've always used the "RIG" +P Stainless Steel Lube and never had a problem with galling.

[sbvann]

I've always used the "RIG" +P Stainless Steel Lube and never had a problem with galling.
thanks for the info and welcome aboardBill

[modelo]

been using militec-1 now for a few weeks and love it. jcmios posted he's used that and gun butter and prefers the latter, but they sound similar in use and performance. militec-1 is absorbed into the metal, after which the metal feels noticeably smoother without feeling at all oily.
if anyone has used both or knows enough to compare and contrast, i'd love to hear it. i've also heard of something called gun juice that sounds similar to the other two.
any info appreciated.

[jcmios]

I have used Militec-1 for about a year and a half in the shop and it is a good lube, much better then the old CLP's. The thing I did not like about it was that it requires heat to fully activate its properties. It does make things run smoother to a certain extent. The other thing that I did not like was that like most other oils it attracts dirt and debris, and it is advised by Militec-1 to wipe off all oil in a sandy or dirty area before shooting.
Gun butter came along and it makes the gun even smoother then Militec-1, does not need any heat or cold to be activated, it really does repel dirt and debris and can be used is a sandy, dirty environment as is. You also use a lot less of it
The two gentlemen who have invented Gun Butter are chemical engineers at Boeing Aircraft and have access, and experience to some of the most top of the line equipment and substances in the world. Not to mention information on what works at some of the most extreme conditions around. They are shooters and wanted to create a better lube for shooters, and they did. Now they are marketing it for the general public. All I can say is buy a bottle and put it through its paces and I doubt that it is not the best lube. When I got my first bottle I did this, froze a gun for 3 days and took it out and shot 60+ rounds through it, not a hick up, shot in a small dirt pit where the dirt got into the action and it kept shooting not to mention that the oil repelled most all of the dust and dirt. But what really sold be was the rain test, shot over 150 rounds in the poring rain and non of the lube washed off and yes I left the action open and exposed to the rain between sessions.

Gun butter has superior adhesion to any other oil I have tried, it will not dry up, burn off or freeze up. It makes clean up a breeze, especially with carbon deposits, my AR-15 bolt just wipes clean with a rag now, no more scrubbing and soaking, same for my compensators they just clean up with a cotton swab as long as I put a this coat of Gun Butter on they chambers and baffles as part of my regular regime. The tight guns show no wear and feel smoother then they ever did, and the others do also, including the Glocks, it beats Slide Glide in making the guns feel smooth and running smooth but with out the mess and temperature restrictions of Slide Glide.

For carry guns it is the best, it will not attract lint and no more gun oil on your clothes, it stays where put and does not run.

Gun lube has always been a hotly debated issue; the only thing I can say is try it. All the talk in the world will not prove to the shooter what it does. Buy a bottle and I guarantee you it will be your new lube from then on out.

Every gun that leaves my shop has Gun Butter applied to it.

Jim Miossi
Miossi Gun Works
702 Park Dr
Monticello, IA 52310
319 465-1911

[f4tweet]

I use Rigg Stainless Steel Lube. It is grease and comes in a small round container about 3-4 inches high.It sells for about $5-6. I bought a container four years ago and use it on my Para's. I have a P-14 Ltd, and a P-16 Ltd I use for IPSC. It works great,it's cheap, and designed for SS pistols. My $ .02.

[TheProf-TX]

The guys at the Springfield custom shop told me all they use is KELLUBE M12. I tried it and it did seem to smoth things out better than CLP. It is pretty viscous so it doesn't run as easily but it still flows well alnog the slide, etc. Doesn't seem to attract dirt any better or any worse.

I think there are as many lube choices as there are models of firearms :)

[KillitnGrillit]

I use Mobil 1,15W-50,one quart will last me a lifetime.Works great.

[modelo]

Jim Miossi:
Your explanation of Gun Butter was detailed and convincing, plus the price was plenty reasonable enough to give it a try, so I ordered a bottle. Right now I plan to continue to use Mili-tec as a combination cleaner and conditioner, especially as such a small amount goes so far on metal surfaces, but sounds like Gun Butter might be better on moving/sliding parts? What about inside the barrel?
Any further advice there appreciated. Thanks.
--Mike

[John]

Just for your information, I emailed the Gun Butter makers and asked if they could send me a sample for evaluation. They came back suggesting I become a dealer!! I emailed them explaining what M1911.ORG is, and never heard from them again.

[BGregory]

I just dropped a check in the mail today to Gun Butter to give it a try. I ordered from their web site and indicated that I would pay by check. I got an email response for the order saying that they would be in contact soon. After several days went by without a response, I used their contact page and got a response from Mark Turney about where to send the money to.

[John]

Well, an update to my post above. Gun Butter not only answered my email, but also came to an agreement with us. We are now able to offer you an 1 US$ discount over the normal retail price, for each bottle of Gun Butter you buy. I also get a small commission, to help this site remain alive.

Also, I have prepared a report for you guys to read, in the Products Tests forum.

To get your discount, click on the Gun Butter banner in the Sponsors Panel above, and when you reach the form where you enter your details, find a field called "Coupon". There, enter the word "m1911" without the quotes.

Give this product a try, I liked it.

[BGregory]

My bottle of Gun Butter showed up a little over a week ago. It does appear to be a uniquely different product. I degreased a Glock 23 and a SA 1911 to test it on. I was a little surprised by the instructions not to lube the trigger bow.

Anyhow, I have 2 pistols with Gun Butter as lube. A Kimber that is wearing Sentry Solutions products, another SA 1911 with ProTec products, and finally, a Colt 1911 with the home-brew mix of Dextron III, Mobil 1, and STP.

One of these days, I just might make up my mind...