titegroup loading data

[pfc1966]

I've been hearing good things about titegroup in the 45, and would like some data for a 200 gr. H&G # 68 bullets. I have a p2 with a 1.5" package. I have been told , but don't know for sure that this gun comes with a 22lb. recoil spring. i would like to shoot ppc with this gun so i would like to keep the recoil down but i also want to make sure the pistol functions properly. would appricieate any input. thanks, pat

[robertbank]

Go here:

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/pistol/9mmluger.php

Should be enough info there to keep you going for awhile.

Here are some loads I have tested through my Chrony:

Titegroup 4.5Gr. 200 Gr LSWC 1.235 Win Primers
High Low ES Avg
867 795 73 832


Titegroup 5 Gr. 200 Gr LSWC 1.235 Win Primers
High Low ES AVg
908 831 77 880


All shot through my 5" Norinco 1911

Take Care


Bob

[pfc1966]

Thanks Bob, I've been to hodgdons web site. thought loads for 45 were pretty limited- none listed for 200gr. lead. list 5.2gr for 200gr. jhp. a 10% reduction gives you about 4.5. this is about where i want to be. will give it a try. I never shot this powder but have talked to people who have and they like it. but din't remember how much they used-they load a ton of rounds when they load and get it out of the way for awhile. Thanks for the input, Pat

[TriumphGT6]

PFC, let us know your results, OK? There are other Titegroup threads around here that convinced me not to use it. As I remember, it's supposed to be pretty smoky/dirty and give inconsistent pressures in the .45, at the usual paper-killing velocities. In other words, Titegroup doesn't come into its own until you load it up to major power factor pressures. It'll be interesting to see if your experience is different, especially with lead bullets. I've got a bunch of H&G 200 gr. bullets myself and a pound of Titegroup sitting unused. I've been using Winchester WST instead (with good results).

[robertbank]

I found with titegroup in the .45acp I got decent but not exceptional results. Didn't do much more testing then the loads listed. Standard Deviations for the four strings I shot were double digit which were high IMHO. I only have/had one lb. of the powder and use it mostly in .45LC. Biggest advantage is the powder is not particularily position sensitive aming it a good powder for large case cartridges like the .45LC.

You will get blue tarnish on the outside of the cases due in part I am told from the way the powder builds pressure. Residure comes off through tumbling. IN my experience the powder is relatvely clean burning but when you shoot lubed bullets "clean" really is a relative term.

For the .45acp Win 231 is pretty hard to beat for consistant velocities with any given charge.

Send me an email at: thenortherncrow@hotmail.com and I'll send you some data I have recorded for titegroup.

Take Care

Bob

[Markbo]

I have only been handloading for about a year, so take this for what it's worth. I don't really care too much about consistent velocities since I am not a competitive shooter. I care about consistent accuracy.

5.0gr Titegroup and a 200gr plated bullet has become my standard practice round. Shoots very accurately in my 1911's. For whatever reason, I did not get the same consistency trying W231.

[robertbank]

I don't really care too much about consistent velocities since I am not a competitive shooter. I care about consistent accuracy.

Markbo I think you will find that one goes hand in hand with the other no matter the powder you use. Finding the powder and charge that your gun likes for the purpose you intend to use your gun for is the secret to handloading IMHO

Next time you have some 231 laying around try 5.3 gr under your 200 gr plated bullets. Load is consistent and accurate in all my 1911's. I shoot primarily cast LSWC with this load but results should not be to much different when using plated bullets.


Take Care

Bob

[Markbo]

Not always, but I know what you mean. I just made the remark because you talked about your chrono results. I don't do that. I just shoot! :D

I just checked my book and I have not tried that W231 load... I'll whip some up and give them a run to see what happens.

[Maj Tom]

I've been hearing good things about titegroup in the 45, and would like some data for a 200 gr. H&G # 68 bullets. I have a p2 with a 1.5" package. I have been told , but don't know for sure that this gun comes with a 22lb. recoil spring. i would like to shoot ppc with this gun so i would like to keep the recoil down but i also want to make sure the pistol functions properly. would appricieate any input. thanks, pat
Without changing springs I’m not sure you will find what you are looking for with HTG. Most that punch holes in paper use 4.2gr (give or take a tenth or two) under an H&G 68. I’m pretty sure that won’t cycle a 22# spring. IME slower velocities produce superior accuracy. Just a penny and half……..

[lpspinner]

fwiw, I'm on my second bottle of TG now and love it! I read just about all the threads about TG vs. Clay, VV, etc...

It's the cleanest burning power I've run into so far. I've been reloading for over 15 years and had settled on AA5.

I'm using 4.7gr under a 230gr X-treme Bullets Plated RN. Oal: 1.26 with a .468 crimp.

Ok, I still haven't chrono it yet, but from what I read, I won't have a problem making major.

just my 2 cents