Gun Butter Test On A Automotive Bearing Tester

[milethief]

I just picked up a Wilson Combat How To Shoot 1911 DVD and in the video, Bill Wilson tests his ULTIMA-LUBE on an automotive bearing test machine. He compares WD-40, Hoppes, and Break Free to his oil on this machine which he coats with oil and scores a bearing. The Wilson stuff seemed to have reduced all friction and wear on the bearing being tested. Has GUNBUTTER ever been tested and compared to other oils in this fashion?

[garrettwc]

Don't know about Gun Butter, but I don't know that the automotive bearing test is a valid test for firearms lubes. If firearms worked the same as engine bearings we would all be using 10W-40.

A bearing tester tests lubrication of a clean bearing at a steady rate. Not one caked with gunpowder residue cycling in short bursts at a high rate of speed.

[Herb Clark]

Duh! I wonder which one has the highest viscosity?? Irrevalent test in my opinion - comparing apples oranges grapes.
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[hitachifixer]

I just picked up a Wilson Combat How To Shoot 1911 DVD and in the video, Bill Wilson tests his ULTIMA-LUBE on an automotive bearing test machine. He compares WD-40, Hoppes, and Break Free to his oil on this machine which he coats with oil and scores a bearing. The Wilson stuff seemed to have reduced all friction and wear on the bearing being tested. Has GUNBUTTER ever been tested and compared to other oils in this fashion?
Lets get this straight now, a Bill Wilson video, a Bill Wilson product, and you think the results would show anything different why?????!!!!!!!

[pa_guns]

Hi

Any time you see a lubricant being compared to WD-40 you *know* what's going to happen. WD-40 is a great cleaner and has really poor lubrication properties.

Bob

[gottripletsNC]

I understand the test, but I gotta agree, it is a little one sided, would Bill Wilson ever show a product of his that didn't work. Not to mention as someone has already said, albeit both the bearing and a handgun exhibit mechanical heat from friction, that is the only similarity. The moving parts move in a completely different way, the materials are of a different design, the stresses in an engine bearing are slow start, continuous with no sudden stops, starts, and reverses of direction.

I have to agree that the test is irrelevant, if you want to test a gun lubricant, then get a gun, lubricate it with whatever you want to lube it with, drop it in the water, then the mud, then put about 500 rounds through it and see where the failure(s) might be if there are any.

[pa_guns]

Hi

Normally the military can be counted on to have a qualification procedure for anything they decide to buy. You can debate about weather it's right or wrong, but they have a procedure.

I have never seen the procedure for qualifying a new military small arms lubricant. As best I can tell it's "issue it to the troops and see what happens". Somehow that doesn't seem right ...

If there really is a more formal procedure that might be a good place to start your testing of a new pistol lube.

Bob

[scooter]

There are some similarities ,the piston doesnt make a circle and Oil quality affects them too,I dont know whether the test is actually relevant to auto-pistols, but If they ever find an automotive lubricant that stops 100% of friction wear in metals I'd bloody well try it!

[Joni Lynn]

We need someone to volunteer to put the stuff in their car motor and see how it works........lol!!!

[TheGerk]

Joni Lynn
I know someone who has a Super Sport Impala...... do you want to volunteer?

[pa_guns]

Hi

I suspect we would have a hard time coming up with a single list of what a pistol lube does and does not need to do.

I clean my pistol every 20 rounds or once a day which ever comes first. You clean it when ever the Summer Olympics are on TV. Each of us has a very different need in a lube. I wash the stuff off before it's dry and you depend on it for major corrosion protection.

I lube up a sear and you lube up a slide. I want absolute minimum friction with everything super slick under high pressure. You want some drag to smooth out the recoil.

I lube up the barrel at the bushing, you lube the inside of a magazine. I suspect I have a more practical concern about break down of the lube at high temperatures.

I clean the pistol in the Russian fashion - straight vodka, you clean with vinegar and oil. I doubt either of our cleaning solvents has been tested with the lubricant in any formal fashion. Both may interact in an unpredictable way.

So, what do we expect a lube to do?

Does it stick like crazy, or wash off easily?

Does it supply damping?

What do we expect it to work in conjunction with?

How do we measure "wear" and how much of it is because of the lube?

How hot does it have to get before we "allow" it to degrade?

Now that we have answered all those questions exactly with testable numbers - how do the existing lubes measure up?

This is not an easy thing to start, and it's even harder to complete.

Bob

[pa_guns]

Hi

Ok, we drain the oil out of the Impala. It probably takes a couple of quarts. It probably burns a quart a week.

Gun Butter costs $14 an ounce. That's around $488 a quart. For the price of the oil change we can probably *buy* the Impala.

Time to start taking donations in a BIG way. :D

Bob

[Hawkmoon]

Boy, after looking at those numbers, Castrol-Syntec 20W50 with some moly powder thrown in is looking VVVVEEEEERRRRYYYY good.

[Frank]

...Gun Butter costs $14 an ounce. That's around $488 a quart. ... :D Bob

Boy am I glad you did the math. I was starting to consider using Gun Butter in my Expedition. :D :D


DVC

[Immortal_Ben]

Come to think of it, I should have made my fiancee pay me for the bottle of Gun Butter she has.....

[pa_guns]

Hi

Springfield Mil Spec, package - weighs 40 ounces, costs $535 new at Cabella's

Equivalent weight of Gun Butter costs $560 ($14 an ounce)

New slogan for Springifield - worth their weight in Gun Butter. :p

Am I the only one who finds a lube that costs more than the pistol I'm lubricating to be a bit pricey?

Bob

[Frank]

It still costs less than my wife's favorite perfume.

DVC

[pa_guns]

Hi

It also costs considerably less in one ounce servings than some things that have given me a hangover from time to time.

It seems to have pretty good high temperature properties. That makes it a good thing for stuff like the barrel to bushing and barrel to slide junctions. A lot of lubes will flash off from there after a magazine or two.

For stuff like the slide to frame rails it seems to be overkill. I'll wash out what ever I have there way to soon.

Bob

[John]

Come to think of it, I should have made my fiancee pay me for the bottle of Gun Butter she has.....

It still costs less than my wife's favorite perfume.

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[Gizzy]

I don't see why they would even test WD-40. This is not a lubricant. It is as its name shows. The WD stands for Water Displacer. I would never use WD-40 to lube firearms.

[John]

Quite so, WD-40 lives in my truck toolbox, but it doesn't even come close to my pistols.

[swampthang]

The difference in the ultima lube products is thge hypodermic applicators, they do make it easier to apply in tight areas

[John]

If Ultima Lube has a ... hypodermic-like applicator, try Gun Butter. Micro-injection-needle size! :)

[1911Tuner]

Friction is friction. Heat is heat. Oil is oil. 10W40 engine oil is actually a pretty good general gun lube, especially the synthetics. Matter of fact, several Army field manuals suggest a few drops off a dipstick if weapons oil is unavailable...and it works fine.

Grease? Grease is a dirt magnet. Grit'n'Grease make for a pretty efficient lapping compound and some greases are thick enough to gum things up.
Wheel bearing grease, f'rinstance. Some greases are worse than others in this respect. Grease that's specifically made for weapons is another matter. Use sparingly though...