Another one

[OD*]

:scared:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976704671.htm

[Phil]

The ultimate survival kit, especially for 1911 addicts. But I don't see any extra magazines or ammo. Must be for short-term survival without bad guys :D

[OD*]

We'd need to ask Johnny Peppers, but I think it's another phony. ;-)

[Dustoff '68]

I don't remember such a kit...we had canvas bags that essentially carried whatever gear was necessary for a particular climate; the pistol...I carried my own in a Tanker holster (I still have it...sorry Tio Sam)...I never saw anything like that where a pistol was included...I think it's bogus.

[Dustoff '68]

Have we come to a conclusion yet? Talking with some old buds, concensus as that it may be a kit given to B-52 types...many USAF guys didn't carry weapons when part of an aircrew, from what we gather...but I can't imagine thinking about grabbing that suitcase when my '52 just got torn up by a SAM as a first thought...more like hoping you don't get a "Roman Candle"...that is, if, you can get out of that crippled bird.

[RayP.]

How come there's no "contents list" on the under side of the cover? The military can't function with out nomemclature/I.D. numbers for each part/item contained in a case that is meant for issue,I imagine there was a "kit" per se' of some type,but I doubt that pistols were in it, Like Dustoff said "we just lost a wing,now where is my survival kit?,had 2 brothers in WWll Army Air Force,another brother(bomber crew) in Air Force/Korea(I was a ground pounder,Artillery),they all carried their 45's on them.J.Holbrook was a career Navy w/a lot of flight time,maybe he'll chime in here with his take on it during Viet Nam era.

RayP.

[Dustoff '68]

How come there's no "contents list" on the under side of the cover? The military can't function with out nomemclature/I.D. numbers for each part/item contained in a case that is meant for issue,I imagine there was a "kit" per se' of some type,but I doubt that pistols were in it, Like Dustoff said "we just lost a wing,now where is my survival kit?,had 2 brothers in WWll Army Air Force,another brother(bomber crew) in Air Force/Korea(I was a ground pounder,Artillery),they all carried their 45's on them.J.Holbrook was a career Navy w/a lot of flight time,maybe he'll chime in here with his take on it during Viet Nam era.

RayP.
Is he a 1310 or a 1320?

[gottripletsNC]

several friends of mine where in the USAF during that time frame, and both of my parents retired AF 60-80, if it was a flyer it more than likely was an army guy, not AF, everyone from that time frame said they only remember 38 snubbies as issue to AF flyers.
Of course why would the gun be placed in a kit, I figure it would an issue piece carried somewhere in the flight suit so it would have easy access upon landing from a bailout instead of having to dig into a survival kit.

[exitwounds]

These tend to appear from time to time, and most all are bogus. I personally have never seen a pilot or other officer's carry a pistol other than on there person. I have seen military issued briefcases containing similar items but never a sidearm.

[Dustoff '68]

several friends of mine where in the USAF during that time frame, and both of my parents retired AF 60-80, if it was a flyer it more than likely was an army guy, not AF, everyone from that time frame said they only remember 38 snubbies as issue to AF flyers.
Of course why would the gun be placed in a kit, I figure it would an issue piece carried somewhere in the flight suit so it would have easy access upon landing from a bailout instead of having to dig into a survival kit.
I caught myself on that one, but decided to let it slide...38's were the issued sidearm for USAF pilots...as for the Army (I was a CW2 USA pilot before joining the Navy), we were issued 45's, but some of us did carry 38's.

exit...you are correct, no such thing existed for any branch of service.

[RayP.]

I'm not versed on the various rankings/numbers(if that's what they are,I was drafted,volunteered for it,didn't pay to know too much at the time),John Holbrook was a Navy Chief,Bombardier/Navigator,VAH-123(see link)
http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/pistol/pistol.pl?noframes;read=11418
he had some personal shooting experiences eye to eye with some VC by using a wounded pilots 45 after his rifle went dry or jammed.

RayP.

[Dustoff '68]

I'm not versed on the various rankings/numbers(if that's what they are,I was drafted,volunteered for it,didn't pay to know too much at the time),John Holbrook was a Navy Chief,Bombardier/Navigator,VAH-123(see link)
http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/pistol/pistol.pl?noframes;read=11418
he had some personal shooting experiences eye to eye with some VC by using a wounded pilots 45 after his rifle went dry or jammed.

RayP.
1310 is a Naval aviator...1320 is a RIO (Radar Intercept Officer), NFO (Naval Flight Officer), BN (Bombadier Navigator)...John was a BN (enlisted type) on an A3D, what many of us in our community refer to as All 3 Dead, since there were no ejection seats, and the only way out was through the belly of the plane...the Whale, as it was called, still saw use when I was active in the 1980's...we don't see enlisted BN's anymore, as we don't see those flying sergeants from the USMC. You wouldn't catch me in an A3.

[Phil]

1310 is a Naval aviator...1320 is a RIO (Radar Intercept Officer), NFO (Naval Flight Officer), BN (Bombadier Navigator)...John was a BN (enlisted type) on an A3DA3.Whew!! No wonder the Navy can't decide if it wants to fly or float :D

[Dustoff '68]

Whew!! No wonder the Navy can't decide if it wants to fly or float :D
Yes, but we can do both....no wait....we can do all three...pound the ground as well...besides....who but a Marine/Naval aviator has the (fill in the blank) to land on a postage sized landing field that is pitching, yawing, rolling? USAF wouldn't know what to do if it got it's "feet wet." :D :p :scared:

[Phil]

Yes, but we can do both....no wait....we can do all three...pound the ground as well...USAF wouldn't know what to do if it got it's "feet wet." :D :p :scared:The USAF is smart enough not to try...

[Dustoff '68]

The USAF is not gutsy enough to try...


I know.....I knowwww :D

[Phil]

I know.....I knowwww that I don't know ANYTHING. :DIf you're going to edit quotes, it works both ways, my friend.

[Dustoff '68]

If you're going to edit quotes, it woks both ways, my friend.
It was intended in a good way, friend...had no idea you would get so upset....you are right...I don't know anything, or anyone, for that matter.

[Phil]

It was intended in a good way, friend...had no idea you would get so upset....you are right...I don't know anything, or anyone, for that matter.No prob, I was just jabbing you :D I'm getting too old to get upset about much of anything, anymore :D

But I do feel that, with regard to "posting etiquette", another member's quote should only be edited for brevity, with nothing changed or added which affects the meaning. Reason being that, unless other members scroll back through the entire thread, they will think that the quote they see is the actual, original qoute.

[Dustoff '68]

No prob, I was just jabbing you :D I'm getting too old to get upset about much of anything, anymore :D

But I do feel that, with regard to "posting etiquette", another member's quote should only be edited for brevity, with nothing changed or added which affects the meaning. Reason being that, unless other members scroll back through the entire thread, they will think that the quote they see was the actual, original qoute.
I know, and I thought you would catch it sooner....anyway, I'll try to be a little less enthusiastic when it comes to levity and inter-service rivalry... ;)

[Phil]

I know, and I thought you would catch it sooner....anyway, I'll try to be a little less enthusiastic when it comes to levity and inter-service rivalry... ;)Oh, don't let up on the inter-service thing, that half the fun. :D :D

[Dustoff '68]

Oh, don't let up on the inter-service thing, that half the fun. :D :D
OK then...."....my air force is better than your force....nah nah nah nah nah nahhhh...." :lm:

[Phil]

OK then...."....my air force is better than your force....nah nah nah nah nah nahhhh...." :lm:Actually, I considered the Navy (don't tell ANYBODY). I went out for a Navy T-34 ride and the guy made me puke. I went for an Air Force ride in a T-33 and the guy didn't make me puke - even let me stir the stick. So there you have it - my secret is out - the Navy made me puke :D ;) :scared:

I ended up in C-141's, and O-2's in Nam.

[Dustoff '68]

Actually, I considered the Navy (don't tell ANYBODY). I went out for a Navy T-34 ride and the guy made me puke. I went for an Air Force ride in a T-33 and the guy didn't make me puke - even let me stir the stick. So there you have it - my secret is out - the Navy made me puke :D ;) :scared:

I ended up in C-141's, and O-2's in Nam.
O-2's....like the o-1 Bird Dog...close friend (may he rest in peace) flew the o-2B version dropping leaflets and playing Jimmy Hendrix music...he was shot down 10 days before DEROS/ETS, and his body was never found; me, I was a CW2 in the Army first, and flew Slicks for 2 years...had many an opportunity to pick up an errant USAF type, one most memorably, was an OV-10 Bronco guy who literally kissed my feet as we were pulling away from a hot LZ...poor kid swore he would never, ever, get in a cockpit again...I think they gave him a Section 8...the Navy for me was after grad school, and 2 kids, and an insurmountable amount of student loans which the Navy paid for if I gave them 6 years...got to fly A-6 Intruders, but my first love will always be choppers.

Welcome back, brother.

[Phil]

O-2's....like the o-1 Bird Dog...close friend (may he rest in peace) flew the o-2B version dropping leaflets and playing Jimmy Hendrix music...he was shot down 10 days before DEROS/ETS, and his body was never found; me, I was a CW2 in the Army first, and flew Slicks for 2 years...had many an opportunity to pick up an errant USAF type, one most memorably, was an OV-10 Bronco guy who literally kissed my feet as we were pulling away from a hot LZ...poor kid swore he would never, ever, get in a cockpit again...I think they gave him a Section 8...the Navy for me was after grad school, and 2 kids, and an insurmountable amount of student loans which the Navy paid for if I gave them 6 years...got to fly A-6 Intruders, but my first love will always be choppers.

Welcome back, brother.There was only one squadron that flew the O-2B (psy-ops) - mine: the 9th Special Ops Squadron. Who was your friend - not Garrett E. (Gary) Eddy from Seattle, by chance?

[Dustoff '68]

There was only one squadron that flew the O-2B (psy-ops) - mine: the 9th Special Ops Squadron. Who was your friend - not Garrett E. (Gary) Eddy from Seattle, by chance?
No, my "brother" was a classmate in flight school, who went on to fixed wing training after Ft Wolters....regular commissioned officers typically went the fixed wing route, and warrants completed their rotory wing training at Ft Rucker...my brother was "on a flight with probably the 9th Special Ops in Pleiku, where I was based with the 4th Aviation Brigade...he was with an USAF pilot who flew OV-10's and was shot down over An Khe...both the USAF pilot and my brother were MIA....we (the Army & USAF) regularly flew with each other in Pleiku as an informal way of "joy riding"...I spent many an hour shoving leaflets out of the back of a Bronco, while getting beau coup stick time...now tell me, were you in Pleiku?

[Phil]

No, my "brother" was a classmate in flight school, who went on to fixed wing training after Ft Wolters....regular commissioned officers typically went the fixed wing route, and warrants completed their rotory wing training at Ft Rucker...my brother was "on a flight with probably the 9th Special Ops in Pleiku, where I was based with the 4th Aviation Brigade...he was with an USAF pilot who flew OV-10's and was shot down over An Khe...both the USAF pilot and my brother were MIA....we (the Army & USAF) regularly flew with each other in Pleiku as an informal way of "joy riding"...I spent many an hour shoving leaflets out of the back of a Bronco, while getting beau coup stick time...now tell me, were you in Pleiku?Yes, I've been into Pleiku and flown over An Khe many times - in 1971 and '72. Gary Eddy was a USAF pilot training classmate at Reese, AFB in Lubbock in 1968-69, who preceded me in the 9th SOS at Phan Rang and was shot down in II Corps just before I arrived in-country. He was giving a local area FAM flight to another, recently-arrived pilot in the O-2 and their bodies were never recovered.

[Phil]

Even though this was started by a post of a (supposed) survival kit, I know that we've gotten way off subject. We'll continue our RVN reminiscing back-channel. :)

[Dustoff '68]

Even though this was started by a post of a (supposed) survival kit, I know that we've gotten way off subject. We'll continue our RVN reminiscing back-channel. :)
Same here....I thought about that....paranoia, you know.

[Phil]

Same here....I thought about that....paranoia, you know.It says you've reached your private message storage limit and can't receive any more PM's until you delete some.

[John]

Members PM quota includes both the incoming and the outgoing messages. So in order to free up space, clean up your Sent Items folder, as well as your Inbox.

[Dustoff '68]

It says you've reached your private message storage limit and can't receive any more PM's until you delete some.
I've cleaned out my PM storage...forgot all about it.

[RONNIEJ]

I caught myself on that one, but decided to let it slide...38's were the issued sidearm for USAF pilots...as for the Army (I was a CW2 USA pilot before joining the Navy), we were issued 45's, but some of us did carry 38's.

exit...you are correct, no such thing existed for any branch of service.


I served during the Viet Nam era and in Viet Nam, I was in RECCE and worked with FAC pilots--they were issued their choice of 38 M&P 4 inch or stubby and the M16 short version--we worked with Quite a few pilots from other branches--I never saw any kits like that---phony I think.

RJ

[Dustoff '68]

I served during the Viet Nam era and in Viet Nam, I was in RECCE and worked with FAC pilots--they were issued their choice of 38 M&P 4 inch or stubby and the M16 short version--we worked with Quite a few pilots from other branches--I never saw any kits like that---phony I think.

RJ
Ronnie, go to the General Discussions forum and include yourself in my thread, "....Vietnam Vets...".

[Phil]

I served during the Viet Nam era and in Viet Nam, I was in RECCE and worked with FAC pilots--they were issued their choice of 38 M&P 4 inch or stubby and the M16 short version--we worked with Quite a few pilots from other branches--I never saw any kits like that---phony I think.

RJYeah, in 1971 I flew O-2B's in psy-ops everywhere but the Delta, including Cambodia and Laos. All they gave us was a 4" S&W .38 and 18 rounds of ball ammo (well earlier, we had M-16's until some guy was goofing around, hit some turbulence, and shot off his own wingtip. The Old Man took all of our M-16's and locked 'em up in the armory, lest he not get promoted. So after that we never had anything more than the .38 with 18 rounds for our "survival").

Anyway, everybody had to make a decision as to whether or not they would commit suicide in order to avoid capture if shot down. Since I had already decided not to shoot myself and that's about all the .38 was good for, except for making Charlie more mad if I was tempted to take a pot shot at him, I quit carrying it. The Old Man found out and gave me a direct order to carry the sidearm. So I said, "Yes, Sir" and started carrying it - unloaded. Carried it that way the rest of my tour. So much for survival.

[Lance White]

When Major Kong (Slim Pickens) is talking about the B-52's survival kit:

"Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find: one forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days' concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff."

[Dustoff '68]

Since I had already decided not to shoot myself and that's about all the .38 was good for, except for making Charlie more mad if I was tempted to take a pot shot at him, I quit carrying it.




I prefer Viet Cong, or NVA regulars....not "Charlie".

Thank you.

Al :nono:

[OD*]

What is wrong with "Victor Charlie"?

[Dustoff '68]

What is wrong with "Victor Charlie"?
Just as wrong as Hadji.

And before I forget, go into a Vietnamese community and use the term "Charlie", Victor Charlie, or VC, and see where that gets ya'. :mad:

[John]

As far as I know, "Charlie" originated from the phonetics alphabet, radio operators used to describe "Vietcongs", or VC, or Victor Charlie, or Charlie.

From what we have discussed in the team, it is not a derogatory term. However, as I have no relation with Vietnamese people, I have to take Dustoff68's word for it, so let's all please avoid using such terms.