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Rio Vista Slim
24th June 2006, 13:08
The original Colt Mark IV/Series 70 Government Model, .45 Automatic Caliber pistol represented a major change in its use of a collet-style bushing mated to a barrel that was slightly enlarged at the muzzle. This arrangement effectively cured the problem of sloppy barrel to bushing fit that had plagued the Government Model's accuracy. The fit and finish of those guns was quite good, and as an added bonus, Colt was still polishing the flats to a mirror-like sheen that is rarely seen today on current production pistols. During that period of time, I owned two Series 70 1911 types, a Detective Special, and a six inch Python, all of which represented the epitome of Colt's commitment to quality.
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The passage of time has seen a drastic change in the civilian market. Several companies have sprung up, and these have catered to that changing taste in 1911 type pistols, by offering features that were only provided by custom gunsmiths in the early to mid 1970s. Colt, by and large, did not follow suit, and lost their commanding market share. There were also quality issues that, true or not, undermined the general public's perception of Colt handguns.

The coming of the 21st century has seen Colt roaring back with a number of models (particularly their XSE line) that fulfill the needs and wants of the 1911 shooting population. Particular attention has focused on the Colt Custom Shop, and their offering of reproductions of World War I, World War II, and Series 70 pistols.

The subject of this review is a brand new Colt Mark IV/Series 70 Government Model in stainless steel.

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These pistols come from the factory enclosed in a white box, which covers a very attractive blue box with the Rampant Colt, in gold, on the box top. Inside, the pistol rests with an extra magazine (both magazines hold 7 rounds and have "dimpled" followers), the obligatory cable lock, owner's manual, and safety instructions. The grips are of rosewood, supplied by Chip McCormick, and are very attractive. I prefer the ones with Colt medallions (I have a set on my blue Series 70).

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Whenever I purchase a new semi-automatic pistol, I like to field strip it to remove the factory coating of grease. I then lubricate the weapon with Gun Butter, work the action vigorously several times, and re-field strip and clean the gun again. After that, I re-lubricate the pistol and take it outdoors to my range for test firing.

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Colt is using a standard barrel bushing instead of the collet-style, which was found on the original Series 70 weapons. Supposedly, there were instances where the fingers on the collet bushing would break. With the re-introduction of these new pistols, Colt went back to the standard barrel bushing. Thus far, I have seen no indication of an adverse affect on accuracy.

The re-issue Series 70 does not have the Series 80 firing pin safety. It is my understanding that some of the Series 80 parts are used in the firing system (for company uniformity, if nothing else), but these are not connected to the trigger, and have no consequence on the pull weight.

The barrel, at the throat, has a "dimple" that is present on all of Colt's current 1911 type, .45 caliber handguns. This dimple is engineered to facilitate the reliable feeding of hollow-point ammunition, and it has functioned, as intended, for me.

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My pistol has had over 500 rounds of various types of ammunition fired through it with no malfunctions of any type. This ammo has consisted of Winchester White Box 230 gr. FMJ, Winchester 230 gr. JHP, Federal American Eagle 230 gr. FMJ, Federal 165 gr. EFMJ, Federal 230 gr. Hydra-Shok, Speer Gold Dot 185 gr. GDHP, and Remington 230 gr. JHP.
Accuracy has been quite good with each and every type of ammunition tried, with the best results coming from Federal's EFMJ and Hydra-Shok. These rounds will consistently fire into 1 inch at 10 yards, using a two-handed hold. Twenty-five yard drills will put all of my shots into the K-ZONE of an FBI silhouette target, and within 5 to 6 inches out to 30 yards. That might not be "tack-driving" accuracy to the "bulls-eye boys", but these days a lot of my practice is taking place in low light (twilight, dusk).

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(July 1, 2006)
A modified bench rest was utilized to conduct this test of the intrinsic accuracy of the Colt Series 70 pistol. I say "modified" because the "bench" is actually a relatively light wooden table, not permanently affixed to the ground.
Distance was 20 yards (60 feet). Ambient air temperature was 92 degrees Fahrenheit, with an inconsequential breeze of 12 miles per hour, blowing from left to right.

Federal American Eagle 230 gr. FMJ was fired from the Colt, and I recorded the second group fired, of two 5 round groups.
The trigger exhibited the barest amount of creep before breaking, which was the first time that I had noticed this. All of my previous range time has been from a standing, two-handed hold. The pistol was fired from a padded rest, using a two-handed hold.

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On the NRA Slow Fire, 25 yard pistol target, horizontal dispersion was measured at 1.25 inches. Vertical dispersion checked out at 1.50 inches. I aimed for dead center of the target.
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I don't believe that the new, re-issued version of the Series 70 suffers from the lack of a collet-style barrel bushing. The accuracy was more than acceptable to me, and I think that, in more competent hands, the gun would display even greater bench rest accuracy.

The sights on the new Series 70 are much larger than the G.I. sights on the original gun. These larger sights are easily acquired, and provide a good sight picture downrange.

I have no way to compare the accuracy of my new pistol with an original collet-equipped Series 70, but, insofar as my personal marksmanship has improved over the years, I am not disappointed with the accuracy displayed by the newer gun.

Finally, the only things on the new Series 70 stainless that a magnet won't stick to are the grips and the aluminum trigger. I have tested this on both of my new Series 70 pistols, and found this to be true on both examples. In this polymer-age, that is quite a welcomed change indeed.

So, is the new stainless Mark IV/Series 70 superior to the blue original? In some ways, yes! While the stainless version appeals to some folks, others feel better about carbon steel guns with blued finishes. I have both examples of the newest models, and prefer the "feel" of the blue gun to the stainless one. Functionally, both of my pistols have thus far been perfect. I prefer the sights on the newer weapons to those that were factory supplied on the original guns.
There is, however, that intangible something that the original Series 70 had. Granted, I might be viewing that gun through "rose-colored" glasses from a distance of 30 years, but I loved that pistol and lament not having it now. The new ones help that affliction, though!

Overall, this is one of the best 1911s that I've ever bought. It will remain in my collection as a valuable reminder of those two original Series 70 pistols from so long ago.

Hunter
24th June 2006, 15:57
Good write up on the Colt Rio Vista Slim. It seems she preformed very well in your tests. I have a few of the new production Colts and to me they do just as good as the older ones both being excellent firearms.

Hersh
24th June 2006, 19:05
Nice article Steve!

Rio Vista Slim
24th June 2006, 20:16
Many thanks to both of you. :)

OD*
24th June 2006, 21:29
Great job Steve. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

Say, does yours have the Series 80 hammer?
Some have them and some don't, mine did.

Rio Vista Slim
24th June 2006, 23:32
Great job Steve. http://forum.m1911.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

Say, does yours have the Series 80 hammer?
Some have them and some don't, mine did.
Thanks for the compliment OD. As to your question....if you'll tell me how to differentiate between the two, I'll let you know which one mine is. :confused:
Unless you're speaking of a true half-cock notch, in which case both of mine seem to be pre-Series 80. I guess that I need to detail strip both of them pretty soon and find out.

John
25th June 2006, 02:20
Have I told you how much I hate you???

Darn those strange Greek laws!

OD*
25th June 2006, 06:28
Unless you're speaking of a true half-cock notch
Yes sir, that's it. Seems the earlier versions had the Series 80 quarter cock shelf hammers, instead of the true half cock notch.

Thanks Steve, again, nice write-up amigo.

Jeffrey
25th June 2006, 11:04
Who needs magazine articles when we have a fine staff of writers right here on this forum. Kudos Steve. :)

tombstone
25th June 2006, 11:57
I wish my teacher would have let me do a Book Report like this when I was in school - might have turned them in on time...great article with super photos.

I've been considering one of these as a future purchase - now you've pushed me over the edge. Tell me a little more about your preference for the blued; I think I'll prefer the blued as well. The dry air in Arizona isn't hard on blued finishes, they look real nice, and I think the slide and frame function feels smoother?

Rio Vista Slim
25th June 2006, 15:38
Radar and tombstone,

Thank you very much for your kind words.

Tell me a little more about your preference for the blued; I think I'll prefer the blued as well. The dry air in Arizona isn't hard on blued finishes, they look real nice, and I think the slide and frame function feels smoother?

I stated in my test of the stainless Series 70 that I had owned two of the original Series 70 pistols in the early 1970s. I suppose that I feel a sense of nostalgia whenever I carry or shoot my new, blued Series 70. The quality of both guns is exceptional.

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As you can see, I changed out the originally issued Chip McCormick grips with the ones pictured here. These are slightly thinner than the issued ones, and they feature the gold Colt medallion.

tombstone
25th June 2006, 21:57
Wow - that is a beauty...the grips with the medallion really set it off. Thank's for adding the photo of the blue one.

Coaster
28th June 2006, 21:07
I love the look of the blue Colt. From what I have gathered on these forums is that the blue finish is not as wear and corrosion resistant as other finishes. How hard is it to maintain a blue finish? For my first Colt (and gun) I'm trying to decide between blue or stainless. Thanks

Hunter
28th June 2006, 21:15
Well you are on the right track choosing Colt. Rio Vista Slim has done a fine job of showing how well a Colt can preform. To me the blued is a little better looking but it can wear off over time. Stainless is less maintainance and is also an excellent look on a 1911. I think you would be pleased with a stainless Colt 1911. Who wouldn't?

OD*
28th June 2006, 21:27
How hard is it to maintain a blue finish?
Not to sound like a smart aleck, but it all depends on how you treat it. Will it be for carry or target, both?

Rio Vista Slim
29th June 2006, 03:19
Not to sound like a smart aleck, but it all depends on how you treat it. Will it be for carry or target, both?
Coaster,
OD has pretty much nailed it with his question. If the pistol is a range only gun, then you can keep the finish looking fairly new. I say "fairly", because each gun is going to develop its own set of wear marks due to being fired.

If the gun is carried, then holster wear (accelerated by drawing and re-holstering), every day bumps and dings, and environment will rather rapidly add "character" marks to the weapon.

You get the same thing with stainless steel, it's just not quite as noticeable as on a blued pistol.

(I guess I could take a couple of Macro photos of my blue one to show you its blemishes. ;).

John
29th June 2006, 04:20
A blue gun will eventually require refinishing, at some point in time. That can vary according to the use (as Steve said, many holstering/drawing sessions will wear the blueing faster), but you can expect to see it sooner or later. Unless of course, it is a safe queen.

The stainless is more durable in that respect, and easier to repair, when the inevitable little scratches start to show.

Coaster
29th June 2006, 18:46
I should have been specific about what the pistol was for. It will be mostly for range duty, but with some carry. I have been trying to read as much as possible about maintaining a 1911 before I get one and some of what I read makes it sound like a blued pistol rusts easily and the finish wears off after pulling it out of a holster a few times.
I understand that the finish and gun will show wear with use, my main concern is corrosion. What is the best way to protect the metal? I have ready about wiping the gun down with an oily rag, but doesn't that make the metal parts of the grip slick?
Thanks for indulging a new guys questions and any info that I can get is appreciated.

Hunter
29th June 2006, 19:09
It will take a while to wear the bluing off of a blued pistol even with daily carry. It will really only wear off the high points for the most part. Even then rust really is not a problem if you take care of the pistol. Keep it rubbed down with a silicone rag after shooting, cleaning, or handling (which is good practice for stainless pistols as well) will keep the corrosion off. There is not enough silicone or oil left on the metal to cause a problem as far as the grips are concerned. To me a blued pistol with a little wear shows character. Anything else please ask.

Rio Vista Slim
30th June 2006, 23:42
Coaster,
A little clarification is in order.
OD, John, and Hunter have all given you good, sound advice and logical explanations of the wear that occurs on all guns that are fired and/or carried on a regular basis.

I've never had a blued gun (or stainless either) to show signs of abuse or rust. I fire all my pistols on a very regular schedule, and practice drawing them from various types of holsters. The "character" marks that Hunter and I have referred to are just the normal wear that any gun that is used will show after a period of time. If you clean and maintain your firearm, wipe fingerprints off the gun, be mindful of the environmental issues that might affect the weapon's appearance, and generally take care of your pistol, then the finish will remain nice.

As John said, eventually you might have to have the gun refinished. But that is dependent on several "ifs", and those "ifs" shouldn't deter you from getting a pistol with a blued finish, if that's what you want.

OJ
1st July 2006, 12:08
Great article and a welcome one for those of us who own one of the originals from the 70s - contemplating whether we might be happy with the new productions.

For comparison, here is my Colt's MKIV/Series 70 Government Model 45 ACP manufactured in late 1970.

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Those larger sights on the new version would be a welcome addition for my 80 year old eyes.

:D

Rio Vista Slim
1st July 2006, 18:42
Great article and a welcome one for those of us who own one of the originals from the 70s - contemplating whether we might be happy with the new productions.

For comparison, here is my Colt's MKIV/Series 70 Government Model 45 ACP manufactured in late 1970.

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Those larger sights on the new version would be a welcome addition for my 80 year old eyes.

:D
OJ,
Your photograph of your original Series 70 is what prompted me to immediately purchase the blued re-issue when it showed up at my local gun shop. The two that I owned in the early 1970s looked exactly like yours, and I have lamented for 25+ years on my letting them go. Thanks again for your photo, your comments, and for allowing me to "re-live" what it was like to own a classic.

Dustoff '68
20th July 2006, 14:59
Had I read this review earlier in my membership here, I would not have waited so long to purchase my Series 70...excellent write up.
Thank you,

Al

Dustoff '68
20th July 2006, 15:01
Radar and tombstone,

Thank you very much for your kind words.



I stated in my test of the stainless Series 70 that I had owned two of the original Series 70 pistols in the early 1970s. I suppose that I feel a sense of nostalgia whenever I carry or shoot my new, blued Series 70. The quality of both guns is exceptional.

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As you can see, I changed out the originally issued Chip McCormick grips with the ones pictured here. These are slightly thinner than the issued ones, and they feature the gold Colt medallion.
Who makes those grips Rio?

Rio Vista Slim
20th July 2006, 17:29
Who makes those grips Rio?
Al,
Thank you for your kind words about my review.
I'll check with the gun store owner here and find out who makes them, and whether or not the maker can have these available to everyone. My understanding is that he sells a lot of grips at gun shows, and offers this local dealer some pretty nice deals. Those particular grips cost me $42.00.

When I find out, I'll PM you with the information.

Dustoff '68
20th July 2006, 18:12
Al,
Thank you for your kind words about my review.
I'll check with the gun store owner here and find out who makes them, and whether or not the maker can have these available to everyone. My understanding is that he sells a lot of grips at gun shows, and offers this local dealer some pretty nice deals. Those particular grips cost me $42.00.

When I find out, I'll PM you with the information.
Thank you Rio....I will buy a set once the details are received...gotta' love the Series 70...had no idea Colt was offering this kind of quality and historical accuracy...waiting on a pending sale of a XD 45, and I will than purchase a blue Series 70.

bmag
2nd February 2007, 03:44
Great info for one (like myself) who has not yet acquired a 1911.
Many thanks.

Rio Vista Slim
2nd February 2007, 06:49
Great info for one (like myself) who has not yet acquired a 1911.
Many thanks.
bmag,
Thank you. Both of my Colt Mark IV/Series 70 current production pistols continue to be accurate, reliable firearms. I appreciate the fact that you took a look at the review, and hope that it assists you in your pursuit of a quality 1911.

larry starling
19th February 2007, 15:47
Great write up! And pistol looks great....

Atreides
23rd June 2007, 15:44
Great Post!

One of these days, I'll buy another Colt for the stable.

Atreides

dakota1911
11th September 2007, 15:44
Nice write up!

Rio Vista Slim
12th September 2007, 03:28
:o Thank you for the kind comments. :o

This example was my first attempt at reviewing a pistol, and it lacks a lot of the things we use for our reviews in the M1911 Pistols Organization E-zine. It is gratifying to see that this article still generates some interest. :)

JM likes loud mouth
11th December 2007, 13:42
Great article Steve, bravo. My series 80 mark IV looks exactly like that. But with the firing pin block in it. I have the madalions on my grips, in gold and the wood is a lighter brown. I to prefer the madalions on the grips. Again great bit of jounalism, Take care, Johnny

Rio Vista Slim
22nd March 2008, 17:32
Great article Steve, bravo. My series 80 mark IV looks exactly like that. But with the firing pin block in it. I have the madalions on my grips, in gold and the wood is a lighter brown. I to prefer the madalions on the grips. Again great bit of jounalism, Take care, Johnny
Thank you for the kind words, sir.

As a testament to just how good these pistols are, I did a little shooting today with my Colt's MkIV/Series 70 stainless current issue pistol.

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50 rounds of WWB 230 gr. FMJ. Fired at a distance of 30 feet, from a standing two-handed hold.......basically a modified Weaver stance.

clughog
22nd March 2008, 18:32
Very nice, Steve...and this is about the best weather we've had in a few months! The stainless version is on my list to go with my blued one.

d90king
22nd March 2008, 18:42
Nice shooting Rio and nice review too.

Rio Vista Slim
22nd March 2008, 22:18
Very nice, Steve...and this is about the best weather we've had in a few months! The stainless version is on my list to go with my blued one.
Nice shooting Rio and nice review too.
My most sincere thanks to both of you gentlemen. I find myself shooting a little better lately. Concentration on sights and trigger, as suggested by all the really good "shootists" here in the forum.

Creighton is SO right! It was a beautiful day, and well worth the ammo expenditure. I love it when a plan comes together! :D :D