Series 70 - Series 80 - NRM - 1070XSE

[carlson1]

Can someone in layman's terms tell me the difference in the 70; 80; NRM; and the new 70 XSE?

[John]

I 'll try to cover your questions, but maybe not all.

As far as the S70 and S80 difference, go to our Home Page and read the History of the 1911. Your question will be answered in details, but to make a long story short, the S80 pistols have the firing pin safety system that Colt uses.

NRM, if I am not mistaken means "New Roll Marks" and it has to do with the large letters used in the inscriptions on the side of the slide on the newer models.

As for the 70XSE, I do not think that such a model exists. XSE's are the "enhanced" Colt models, which come with some sort of a beavetail, Noval (or Novak-look-alike) sights, etc.

Here is an XSE model.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/images/XSESeries_O1070.jpg

On the other hand, the Series 70 pistol, is a reproduction of the way Colt made the 1911 in the 70s. Here is a picture of that model.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/images/Series70_O1970A1CS.jpg

[carlson1]

Sounds like you answered everything. Could the what I thought was a 70XSE be the same as the Model 01070XSE? If I am understanding then this 01070XSE is the the new series 70?

[bullet8542]

The 01070XSE is a Stainless Steel XSE. That is just Colt's model number nothing to do with being a series 70 firing system.
My Gunsite pistol is a model number 01070CGP the 01070 may refer to Stainless Steel.

It is a series 80 firing system with Colt's "enhancement" better sights, duck tail safety, forward cocking serrations and the extended safety.

I own one it is a damn fine pistol and has over 7,000 rounds through her with no issues what so ever.

The series 70 model numbers are.

O1970A1CS Blued series 70

O1070A1CS Stainless Steel series 70

And I believe the CS stand for "Custom Shop" probably for liability reasons......Friggin Lawyers

[Ericthenorse]

Look here... http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/XSE.asp :D

[Hawkmoon]

I have noticed recently on the GunsAmerica site that many dealers are advertising XSEs as "Series 70." I discovered this when doing a search using Series 70 as the search term, and most of the guns that popped up were XSEs.

You would think the dealers would know better. The XSEs are not Series 70. They incorporate the Series 80 firing pin safety. They also incorporate front cocking serrations, which is very much a matter of personal preference. Personally, I don't like them and won't buy an XSE for that reason.

[bullet8542]

[/QUOTE=Hawkmoon]

You would think the dealers would know better. The XSEs are not Series 70. They incorporate the Series 80 firing pin safety. [/QUOTE]

Hah!

Gun Store Commandoes no little if nothing about most anything except for thier favorite type or maker!

Heck most of the dealers in my area will tell you with a straight face mind you that "Colt is out of the civilian gun marker you just can't get them or Colt thier out of Business"

Heck I had one tell me that Colt didn't make the Gunsite I was thinking of the Les Baer T/R

:D

[Gotti817]

Sounds like you answered everything. Could the what I thought was a 70XSE be the same as the Model 01070XSE? If I am understanding then this 01070XSE is the the new series 70?


The 01070XSE is the model number of the Colt XSE, Government model, stainless steel .45. It is a series 80 pistol. It does have the firing pin safety components.

HTH.

Mike.

[1911_lover]

Gun Store Commandoes no little if nothing about most anything except for thier favorite type or maker!

Heck most of the dealers in my area will tell you with a straight face mind you that "Colt is out of the civilian gun marker you just can't get them or Colt thier out of Business"


:D

You can say that again. :scared:

I was in a local shop a few weeks ago that sells ALOT of guns on a weekly basis and is very well known and the "manager" told me that "Colt has not shipped a new 1911 production gun in over 4 years".

Huh? According to Mark from Colt, that is not true........

[bullet8542]

Huh? According to Mark from Colt, that is not true........

I can tell you the same thing I just bought a Colt Gunsite and a Defender!

[Ericthenorse]

They did stop production of something like 6 of their models for the first half of this year... So they could concentrate on theis QC issus..

[Dr. Dickie]

You can say that again. :scared:

I was in a local shop a few weeks ago that sells ALOT of guns on a weekly basis and is very well known and the "manager" told me that "Colt has not shipped a new 1911 production gun in over 4 years".

Huh? According to Mark from Colt, that is not true........

WOW, that is hilarious.
I just (3 months ago) bought a 1991A1, and then last month bought a Series 70 repro.
When I called Colt to ask for the "born on" dates for the pistols. The 1991A1 was made in 2005 and the Series 70 was made in 2006!
Since I bought the Series 70 in January, I can kinda guess what month of 2006 it was made in :p

[John]

Gunshop Commandos? Is that the expression you use in US?

[1911_lover]

I suspect gunshop comandos refer to the jaded, arogant, condensending "clerks" that work at many gunstores. I run across these guys all the time.

[MLee]

Gunshop Commandos? Is that the expression you use in US?
We have folks like that in the military as well, called barracks commandos, or self-appointed experts that lacked the experience or facts to back up their statements. They are individuals that use their position or bravado to make statements that are either wholly untrue or partially true.

Mike

[Hawkmoon]

I suspect gunshop comandos refer to the jaded, arogant, condensending "clerks" that work at many gunstores. I run across these guys all the time.
Nah, the ignorant clerks are just idiots. The "gunshop commandos" are the non-buying "customers" who always hang around gun shops and offer lots of unsolicited advice to the real customers -- almost all of which is wrong.

[1911_lover]

Nah, the ignorant clerks are just idiots. The "gunshop commandos" are the non-buying "customers" who always hang around gun shops and offer lots of unsolicited advice to the real customers -- almost all of which is wrong.

Oh yea, I've seen those guys too. Well maybe we should come up with a name for the clerks. I have been annoyed more than once by some gunstore clerk's smug attitude when I have tried to make a trade on a gun in their case. It usually stems from the old we'd be happy to take your inferior gun off your hands, give you nothing for it and sell you ours for 1 1/2 times what it is worth routine.........

Ever happened to you?

[WBB]

Nah, the ignorant clerks are just idiots. The "gunshop commandos" are the non-buying "customers" who always hang around gun shops and offer lots of unsolicited advice to the real customers -- almost all of which is wrong.
Lots of those around my neck of the woods, everyone is a gunsmith, expert marksman, ex-delta operator, but I never see them at the range.

[Hunter]

I have had a few of the gun store commandoes tell me that Colt has been out of business for quite some time. Never mind the fact I bought a brand new Colt Series 80 Government Model in .38 Super a few months ago. I am usually surprised at how little most gun store employes know about what they are (trying) to sell. Not that I am all that informed but it saddens me to here the gun store commandoes giving bad advice to someone who does not know any better. I had a fella the other day tell me that a .22LR out of one of those pocket .22 wheelguns (the real small ones in stainless I forget who makes them) has a much muzzle energy as a 9mm. I had to call him on that when he suggested that little .22 LR would be fine for personal defense. It would seem that sort of info could get someone hurt. I understand it would be better than nothing but I am positive a 9mm is a much better defensive round than .22 LR

[Hawkmoon]

Oh yea, I've seen those guys too. Well maybe we should come up with a name for the clerks. I have been annoyed more than once by some gunstore clerk's smug attitude when I have tried to make a trade on a gun in their case. It usually stems from the old we'd be happy to take your inferior gun off your hands, give you nothing for it and sell you ours for 1 1/2 times what it is worth routine.........
"Salesdrones"

Your hypothetical situation could not have happened to me because guns only travel one way around here (much to my wife's dismay).