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Luv2shoot
3rd February 2006, 12:22
Hello all,
I recently purchased a new Springer (1911 in 9mm—PX9130L). So far I absolutely love it.

I have 600 rounds through her right now. The last time at the range, I was having some sporadic trigger issues. The 1st couple of shots, the trigger was nice, smooth, and light, but then all of the sudden became much harder to pull. The next shot was back to normal. Next magazine, same thing happened, light pulls, with some sporadic hard pulls.

Went home and got ready to start cleaning. Gave her a quick “once over” before field stripping to clean, and noticed something funny. There appeared to be some type of obstruction at the rear of the trigger (between the over travel stop screw and the magazine release) that was visible when looking down the mag well from the top with the slide locked to the rear. When I moved the trigger, I could see the stop screw moving this “flap” around. I figured that this was the reason for my inconsistent trigger pull.

I detail stripped the pistol, took the trigger out, and this is what dropped into my hand:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1687/19un.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5160/24ou.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/545/33nq.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4345/48az.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8898/59pd.jpg


It's about as thick as 2 pieces of paper and about as big as a pencil eraser. Anyone ever seen this before? I looked at all kinds of 1911 parts diagrams, and I don’t think that this is supposed to be in there, but I want to be sure before I trash this piece. My first guess was that this is some kind of shim that went between the trigger and the frame to keep the side to side trigger slop down, and that the curved part of this “shim” would fit against the magazine release. However, the contour of the mag release does not match the curve of the “shim”.

Any guesses other then some slag from the factory?

Luv2shoot
3rd February 2006, 12:23
Shown on a penny for size comparison
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8955/69xa.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7219/79hv.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6427/80zc.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7426/95zr.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/679/103cq.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1651/117tj.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1962/123fy.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1113/134tp.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6016/147am.jpg

Azrael256
3rd February 2006, 15:24
Slag. I don't see any indication of machining marks. It looks like leftover slag from casting. Somebody with more metallurgy experience will have more for you, but that's my guess.

Tom
3rd February 2006, 15:36
Now that this piece is removed, how does the action of the pistol feel now? More like it used to?

It surely doesn't look like any normal part of the gun. I agree with Azrael, it is probably some leftover from the casting or machining process. It might even be a foreign object that made its way into the works. If you don't see any obvious place inside the gun where this piece would "fit", and the gun feels right without it, I'd set this little bugger aside and not worry about it.

Oh, and since you're new - and before John gets to it ...
:wl: - of the gun, that is! :D

And welcome aboard!

Luv2shoot
3rd February 2006, 16:01
Ahhhhhhhh! The TTIWWOP monster got me!! Thanks for the welcome. I’ll post up some pics tonight.

I have not been to the range since I pulled this out, but I have dry fired it about 40 times and the trigger was consistent every time. My guess is that it was wedged between the trigger and frame and didn’t work its way into the area behind the trigger and magazine release until after the 5XX round mark.

I just wanted to make sure that SA was not using some proprietary “shimming method”.

I suppose I could always send the pics to SA and see what they have to say. But no, I cannot see any place that this thing would fit.

stans
3rd February 2006, 19:57
Springfield Armory 1911 receivers and slides are forged, not cast, so it cannot be slag or flash. A shim? Maybe, but that would be the first time I've seen something like that.

Azrael256
3rd February 2006, 20:13
Springfield Armory 1911 receivers and slides are forged, not cast True, but other parts are cast and MIM. It wouldn't have to come from the frame or slide.

Luv2shoot
3rd February 2006, 21:30
Pics for IslandersFan (and John)

The springer:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9716/117lc.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1824/227qe.jpg

StrongMedicine
4th February 2006, 02:21
Nice Springer Luv2Shoot,

I've been looking at getting another loaded myself. I like the extended magwells. Is that an add on or factory?

SM

John
4th February 2006, 03:55
Now where was that drool-shield for the keyboard??

If that thing had checkered mag release, checkered slide stop and didn't have the front cocking serrations, I could have fallen in love!

Luv2shoot
4th February 2006, 10:26
Nice Springer Luv2Shoot,

I've been looking at getting another loaded myself. I like the extended magwells. Is that an add on or factory?

SM

Thats an add-on. It is the Ed Brown Maxi-well, which consists of a new mainspring housing and a mag guide. Its a 2 piece system so one screw is all it takes to remove the mag guide (for carry purposes or whatever other reason).