Two piece guide rod?

[jaybo292]

I hate to :dead_hors , but I have SW1911 SS with adj. sites and FLGR. I bought a Ed Brown two piece one and have been thinking. How does it ease the field stripping? You still have to push in the plunger. I`m pretty mechanically inclined I thought. But I do not see an improvement with the two piece. I must be missing something. :butthead: I think the stubby rod and old style plunger would be the best to use.

[Woodman]

As far as I know, all bushing equipped 1911's require you to push in the recoil spring cap (I assume this is what you're referring to as the plunger). The two piece guide rod makes dissasembly easier by allowing you to unscrew the front portion of the guide rod, so that a bushing wrench is not reqired to depress the cap and turn the bushing (assuming it's not a match fitted bushing).

[wichaka]

When taking the gun apart, you take out the front section of the guide rod..........when putting it back together, the front part goes in the very last.

[jaybo292]

Thanks. On my SW1911 the guide rod only comes to the front of the slide.The cap or plunger extends out further like the old style. You can push it in but it hurts your finger because it has a hole in for the rod to slide through and makes the edges kind of sharp. How does unscrewing the front section make it easier to push in? I understand how it works. I must be missing something. Or on the wrong wavelink. Somebody slap me!

[Ericthenorse]

I have been questioning this for a while myself, and no one seems to have the answer... My wilson 1 piece disassembles exactly the same as a standard setup, except for the hole in the bushing.... A two piece rod, after removing the front piece, also disassembles the same as a standard setup... As far as I am concerned, what determines wheather or not you need a bushing wrench has nothing to do with the guide rod you choose..... It is solely dependant on how well your bushing fits in the slide.... If your bushing is loose in the slide, then you might be able to twist it with no tools, but if yours fits nice and tight like mine, it does not matter what recoil system you have, you will still need the wrench to turn it.... I am sick of guys telling evryone that by just changing what recoil setup you have will make it a toolless deal..... I prefer the 1 piece over the 2 piece simply because it is just that.... 1 piece... and I don't have to find an allen wrench to remove it, or wory about it coming unscrewed at the wrong moment. Most of us will never be able to tell the difference between a short standard setup, 1 piece or 2 piece when it comes to function.... So it is purely a matter of looks....

Oh yeah... a 1 piece and a 2 piece use the same recoil plug style, so after you have removed the front part of the 2 piece, there is still the same sharp edge as on the 1 piece....

[wichaka]

I use a small allen wrench to push down on the plug, so I can turn the bushing..........just hook the small end onto the plug and push down.........but you can use whatever will do the job.

[jaybo292]

Oh yeah... a 1 piece and a 2 piece use the same recoil plug style, so after you have removed the front part of the 2 piece, there is still the same sharp edge as on the 1 piece....[/QUOTE]


Thats what I was talking about. I agree 100%. Thanks
Jay

[Matt Edwards]

Jaybo,
Your initial comment was straight. Just get a standard plug and GI lenght rod.
You can't go wrong bro.
Matt

[jaybo292]

I`m glad it is not just me. I`ll probably leave the FLGR in or get a standard plug and stubby guide rod.Anyone need a new Ed Brown two piece rod.LOL
Jay

[Matt Edwards]

Jay,
You are VERY MUCH in good company with a standard guide and plug. Most guys who prefer the 1911 for defensive or combat use feel the old GI set up is the only way to go. It gives you more options to cycle the gun one handed, is easier to take apart and is just as reliable.
you will find YMM -not-V!!
Matt

[jaybo292]

Matt
What is YMM-not-V ? :confused:
I just ordered the Ed Brown GI set up. And a single sided tactical safety. :D Thanks Jay

[Matt Edwards]

YMMV- Your milage may very
YMM not V your milage may not very- that was an atempt at comedy! I ment you can not and will not go wrong with the standard plug and rod. I have a ED Brown plug and rod in my old Kimber ('96) and it is rolling fine. I'm planning on ordering a couple tac ambi safeties from brown.
Matt

[jaybo292]

I got ya!
Jay

[Panzer-1]

As far as I know, all bushing equipped 1911's require you to push in the recoil spring cap (I assume this is what you're referring to as the plunger). The two piece guide rod makes dissasembly easier by allowing you to unscrew the front portion of the guide rod, so that a bushing wrench is not reqired to depress the cap and turn the bushing (assuming it's not a match fitted bushing).
...So instead of using a allen wrench you use a bushing wrench. How is that "easier"? Get the G.I. plug and guide and you won't need either one of those.

[John]

As 1911Tuner once said, FLGR help in two areas, extraction and feeding.

They extract money from your pocket and feed them in the pocket of whoever made them.

However, for those who insist on using them (don't ask if I do, it depends on the week), here is a neat tool to help you with that pain on the thumb.

http://www.m1911.org/images/thumbbuddy05.jpg

What you see on the right, is a reverse bushing wrench, while the black thing on the left is a piece of plastic which allows you to compress the recoil spring cap, while in the same time the reverse bushing wrench is used to rotate the bushing. No more soar thumbs.

http://slip2000.com/thumbbuddy.html

I wonder why I have never thought of that!

[Ericthenorse]

I just use a regular plastic bushing wrench from Brownells, and it works fine... :D

[dakota1911]

I use the wrench I got with my first Kimber, which was the first pistol I got that had a guide rod. A couple years ago some friends and I did a little experiment with guide rods. Everybody bought a couple and then, since one of the guys had a Ransom Rest we took several 1911's and tested if various guide rods would improve accuracy. We had a Gold Cup, a Colt. Gov. 70s series, and I brought my AMT Hardballer. Tedious. Boring. They didn't do anything + or - for accuracy. We didn't test the reverse of taking a guide rod out of a pistol that had one, but it would surprise me if that would make any difference either.

Anyway, one thing we found out with the two piece guide rod I had purchased from Brownells is that it would loosen after a number of rounds. Initially I thought it might be a function of having the pistol locked down in a Ransom Rest. Later I found out it did the same thing in hand-held shooting of the two guns I tried it in, a Colt 70's Gov. and an AMT Hardballer. I would take the allen wrench to the range and check it about every 25 rounds or so. It might have just been that particular guide rod and I have yet to purchase a pistol that has a two piece guide rod in it.

I decided that I would never put a guide rod in a pistol that did not have one, but if a pistol comes with one I leave it in.